Site Sponsors & Vendors
Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 31

Thread: Softening up my GXP

  1. #1
    OCD DIYer Eidolon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Posts
    3,689
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Softening up my GXP

    Well, after enjoying it for a while, I've soured on it and determined I've kind of ruined the G8 for actually going places. The trip up to GONE this year wasn't a perfectly pleasant drive because the broken pavement through Illinois HURT. Driveline slack, noise, etc. The car has also loosened up significantly as it's aged, but overall it's still an excellent car. It's tempting to sell it and put the money toward a dedicated track car, but I still enjoy the car. I'm also in to my shoulders financially after all the mods.

    So it's time to review and tweak my mods to make the car fun on the road again and not just on a road course.

    So, chronicled for status and your enjoyment, here are the things I plan to address to try to return some of the daily drivability to it.

    Problems and Solutions



    Problem: Whining noise from MGW short shifter on the freeway
    Solution:
    New rear shifter mounting bracket

    There's been a few mentions of the softer "Street" insert for the MGW shifter on the forum already. In reality, after designing a new short shifter for the MT-82 in the Mustang, they actually developed a wholly new rear bracket with significantly more rubber in it. There are actually two inserts available for this new mount, and they call the softer of the two a "Street insert". It's a softer durometer rubber that is supposed to provide more damping for vibration in the shifter. If the shifter was purchased more than a year ago, though, like mine, then it's actually a wholly new design. The old mount provided very thin sleeves of polyurethane over the shifter mount points that do almost nothing for vibration. So we'll see how the new mount works. I plan to install it this week. I can post pictures of the mount and install if desired.

    Oh, by the way... My previous solution? I put a gym sock over the shifter while on the highway. Yes, really.

    UPDATE: Installed new bracket : See post #25




    Problem: Rattling in the plastics in the center console as a result of the short shifter transmitting driveline vibration into the body
    Solution: See above



    Problem: Driveline slack
    Solution: Check, service, and/or replace GForce axles

    The GForce axles I purchased from Chuck (gr8lover) back in 2011 have been absolutely fantastic. I have yet to wear out a CV joint boot despite four HPDEs, and the fact that the stubs can be removed from the axles means that dropping the differential can be accomplished without touching the rear suspension.

    The one complaint I have about the axles deals with the play in them. There's a tiny bit of a turn of slack in the axles due to the loose CV joints. No noise, no popping. Just looseness. From what I've heard, they're built that way for heat voiding so the metal can expand under extreme use without seizing up. However, on a road course or during regular driving, that slack adds up and means that if I use engine braking, I take up slack one way and then have to be gentle on the throttle because I then have to take it back up. It causes a bit of jerkiness when switching between accel and decel.

    So after speaking to the GForce reps, I plan to send the axles in for a CV joint service, likely in January. It may be that they've loosened up further due to age. At just $50 per joint, getting an effectively new set of axles for $200 seems a deal. If the service does not improve the axles, I may need to look at stepping up to their newer axles, which are supposed to be tighter.

    (Unfortunately, the anti-wheel-hop kit which is a half-shaft-only replacement is no longer manufactured or sold by GForce. So unless I can find an old set in stock at a retailer, I'm out of luck. I also hate to lose the bolt-on stubs of the full GForce axles.)



    Problem: Exhaust roar at low RPMs
    Solution: New/different axlebacks

    Keep the engine above 2000 RPMs and it's fine. Much below that however, and the low-frequency roar is rather loud. It can be pleasant at first, but when just rolling along on the highway, it isn't. So I may return to the GXP axlebacks - I'll need to purchase a set since I sold mine - or find something else. I like the tone of the Magnaflows, just not the low-frequency roar that persists despite the custom J-pipes on them to quell drone.

    UPDATE 1: Tried GT Axlebacks
    Far too quiet. Very little growl, roar, or anything. In fact, the only tone was "whoosh". See post #24.



    Problem: Busy ride on the freeway
    Solution: Remove and replace coilovers

    That's right, I plan to remove the Pedders SuperCars. This one I'm torn about more than any other. They've been excellent and did a great job at my most recent HPDE. Bumping the rebound up definitely helped settle the ride on the highway. But they're still just far more busy than the Eibach springs ever were due to the higher spring rate. I'll be sacrificing track athletics, but this more than anything will restore some street grace to the car.

    On the recommendation of the Crazy One, I'll be contacting Andy at Kollar Racing about a matched Lovells Shock/Spring set. I've considered the adjustable Koni shocks, but because the rear shocks require removal from the car to adjust, I don't really consider those "adjustable".



    Problem: Quirky fog HIDs
    Solution: Replace with halogens

    This one I've posted in the "What did you do today?" thread. Quite simply, I rarely use the HID fogs because they ignite green and eventually turn yellow. Flashing the brights turns the fogs off and back on, causing them to surge. And now one of them has stopped working. So I just plan to switch back to the regular halogens, which are trouble free.

    UPDATE: Replacement Complete
    Took no time at all to remove the HIDs. The right ballast had come loose and was moving around, which likely explains why it went out: trauma to the ballast. The halogen fogs just work, and are plenty bright. post #25



    And that's the list for now. I'll update this thread with status and other things as I go.
    Last edited by Eidolon; 12-08-2013 at 09:19 PM.
    2009 Liquid Red O/R M6 G8 GXP - Nickname: "The Yak"
    Bought 5/21/2009, Sold 5/2/2015. Will be missed!

    Daily Driver: 2013 Ford Focus ST
    Hauler: 2005 Ford Excursion Powerstroke

  2. #2
    Senior Member Troy TrackBeast's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Holly Springs, NC
    Posts
    330
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    dang man, I hate to hear this...I say make it faster and that should help take your mind off some of the other stuff LOL.

    I also think you are just spoiled now by your shiny new 2013 car....
    Rick Crawford Racing Top End, Full Bolt-Ons, and PI 2600 Stall
    Current PB: 11.00 @ 125.91 --60' 1.61
    My YouTube Channel

  3. #3
    VIP Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Apex, NC
    Posts
    1,330
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I'll be watching to see how all this works out. I'm especially interested in the Lovell's solution; I'll be sticking with the FE3's through next year I think since they still seem to be fine after 50k miles but will looking for the next step probably in 2015. Still thinking on swapping in the Koni's but may change based on your impressions.
    2009 Hot White G8 GT, CTS-V v1 fronts, Camaro 20's, BMR Sways, Eibach Springs, Rear Cradle bushings. GXP FE3's, BMR rear susp. Kooks 1 7/8 LT headers, RCR custom 3” exhaust, ported LSA blower, 2.38 pulley; Ported heads and TB; LS7 MAF, Racetec pistons, Scat rods, CTS-V crank; FAST 85 injectors; RCR Lunati cam: 223/238 .615/.601, 116 +2 LSA. CTS-V pump/VaporWorx cntlr. Built trans, Methanol injection. Rick Crawford built and tuned. Best 1/4 9.68 @142, 1.42 60'.

  4. #4
    VIP Member toedrag's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    DFW
    Posts
    312
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Eidolon View Post
    Problem: Busy ride on the freeway
    Solution: Remove and replace coilovers

    That's right, I plan to remove the Pedders SuperCars. This one I'm torn about more than any other. They've been excellent and did a great job at my most recent HPDE. Bumping the rebound up definitely helped settle the ride on the highway. But they're still just far more busy than the Eibach springs ever were due to the higher spring rate. I'll be sacrificing track athletics, but this more than anything will restore some street grace to the car.

    On the recommendation of the Crazy One, I'll be contacting Andy at Kollar Racing about a matched Lovells Shock/Spring set. I've considered the adjustable Koni shocks, but because the rear shocks require removal from the car to adjust, I don't really consider those "adjustable".
    Last I checked with Andy & subsequently Lovells a couple of months ago, they are/were planning to redesign the G8 shocks/struts. Lovells didn't give me a date other than "sometime in 2014". Andy or Lovells might have more info since it's been a while.
    "If the car feels like it is on rails, you are probably driving too slow." -Ross Bentley

  5. #5
    OCD DIYer Eidolon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Posts
    3,689
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Troy TrackBeast View Post
    dang man, I hate to hear this...I say make it faster and that should help take your mind off some of the other stuff LOL.
    A visit to Rick is still on the to-do list.

    Quote Originally Posted by Troy TrackBeast View Post
    I also think you are just spoiled now by your shiny new 2013 car....
    I am, to an extent. My Focus feels a lot tighter for being newer. But I was pondering a lot of this stuff even back in September, a good month before I picked up the Focus. Doug will back me up, that I was talking about the unpleasant ride at GONE.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Hilliard View Post
    I'll be watching to see how all this works out. I'm especially interested in the Lovell's solution; I'll be sticking with the FE3's through next year I think since they still seem to be fine after 50k miles but will looking for the next step probably in 2015. Still thinking on swapping in the Koni's but may change based on your impressions.
    I miss the pleasant ride of the FE3/Eibach combo. It also handled surprisingly well. What I don't miss is the crazy stock suspension travel that caused me to have to jack it up a good foot and a half over ride height just to get the tires to lift. I'm hoping the Lovells shock set is matched for travel with the spring-set ride height.

    I will miss the crazy adjustability/corner weighting of the coilovers, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by toedrag View Post
    Last I checked with Andy & subsequently Lovells a couple of months ago, they are/were planning to redesign the G8 shocks/struts. Lovells didn't give me a date other than "sometime in 2014". Andy or Lovells might have more info since it's been a while.
    After communicating with the Crazy One, I emailed Andy at the end of October about Lovells shocks and got the following in response:
    Lovells Shocks are currently in production and are expected by New Years
    That was it. I haven't touched base with him since. I figured I'd bug him in the New Year.
    2009 Liquid Red O/R M6 G8 GXP - Nickname: "The Yak"
    Bought 5/21/2009, Sold 5/2/2015. Will be missed!

    Daily Driver: 2013 Ford Focus ST
    Hauler: 2005 Ford Excursion Powerstroke

  6. #6
    VIP Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Apex, NC
    Posts
    1,330
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Btw, if you want some help with those changes, I've just reorganized my garage and it's clean, organized and roomy! You bring it over and we'll go at it!
    2009 Hot White G8 GT, CTS-V v1 fronts, Camaro 20's, BMR Sways, Eibach Springs, Rear Cradle bushings. GXP FE3's, BMR rear susp. Kooks 1 7/8 LT headers, RCR custom 3” exhaust, ported LSA blower, 2.38 pulley; Ported heads and TB; LS7 MAF, Racetec pistons, Scat rods, CTS-V crank; FAST 85 injectors; RCR Lunati cam: 223/238 .615/.601, 116 +2 LSA. CTS-V pump/VaporWorx cntlr. Built trans, Methanol injection. Rick Crawford built and tuned. Best 1/4 9.68 @142, 1.42 60'.

  7. #7
    Beyond Help
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Raleigh/Cary, NC
    Posts
    1,798
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I remember you telling me a few months back that you were thinking of losing the Pedders. Looking forward to what you decide to change and how you essentially make it yours, again.

    Well the good thing is your new ST is supposed to be a pretty good track car out of the box. Maybe try that in an HDPE and use the GXP as a tourer/pleasure car. Not saying to mod the ST because that is now your DD, an awesome DD, but a DD nonetheless lol.

    I know what you mean about the ride with your setup. Mine is definitely unforgiving at times especially with the SRA, but I love the way it handles too much to change it lol.

    I may change to some Viking adjustable or QA1 adjustable for the strip.
    2019 Volkswagen GTI Rabbit
    2019 Chevrolet Equinox LT

  8. #8
    Beyond Help
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Raleigh/Cary, NC
    Posts
    1,798
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Hilliard View Post
    Btw, if you want some help with those changes, I've just reorganized my garage and it's clean, organized and roomy! You bring it over and we'll go at it!
    I'd be willing to hang out and lend a hand as well. We need to have another G2G.
    2019 Volkswagen GTI Rabbit
    2019 Chevrolet Equinox LT

  9. #9
    VIP Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Apex, NC
    Posts
    1,330
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Zodiac View Post
    I'd be willing to hang out and lend a hand as well. We need to have another G2G.
    Sounds like a plan to me! I even now have a propane forced air heater if it's cold out to make it more comfortable!
    2009 Hot White G8 GT, CTS-V v1 fronts, Camaro 20's, BMR Sways, Eibach Springs, Rear Cradle bushings. GXP FE3's, BMR rear susp. Kooks 1 7/8 LT headers, RCR custom 3” exhaust, ported LSA blower, 2.38 pulley; Ported heads and TB; LS7 MAF, Racetec pistons, Scat rods, CTS-V crank; FAST 85 injectors; RCR Lunati cam: 223/238 .615/.601, 116 +2 LSA. CTS-V pump/VaporWorx cntlr. Built trans, Methanol injection. Rick Crawford built and tuned. Best 1/4 9.68 @142, 1.42 60'.

  10. #10
    Senior Member Troy TrackBeast's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Holly Springs, NC
    Posts
    330
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Hilliard View Post
    Sounds like a plan to me! I even now have a propane forced air heater if it's cold out to make it more comfortable!
    I do have some eibach's sitting in my garage that need to be put on....
    Rick Crawford Racing Top End, Full Bolt-Ons, and PI 2600 Stall
    Current PB: 11.00 @ 125.91 --60' 1.61
    My YouTube Channel

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •