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edmanet

07-23-2009, 01:42 PM

How much difference will there be over the stock in times and rpm do you think? The stock is 2:92 correct?

I'm hoping for 11.50s....the rpms should be about 200 higher......Anyone know??

G8GT594

07-23-2009, 01:48 PM

Nice! When you coming up?

SpeedRacerX

07-23-2009, 02:09 PM

I'm hoping for 11.50s....the rpms should be about 200 higher......Anyone know??

From one of my prior posts: Here's a quick guide to approx stock and approx RPMs at various speeds with various rear gear swaps. I thought this might be helpful to have in one place, in case anyone wants some quick reference.

2.92 Stock Gears G8 GT Automatic 18" & 19" Tires are about the same diameter.
50 MPH 1350 RPMs
60 1550
70 1800
80 2000

3.27 Gears
50 MPH 1512 RPMs
60 1736
70 2016
80 2240

3.45 Gears
50 MPH 1593 RPMs
60 1829
70 2124
80 2360

3.70 Gears
50 MPH 1710 RPMs
60 1964
70 2281
80 2534

Hope it helps...

p71

07-23-2009, 03:43 PM

I'm hoping for 11.50s....the rpms should be about 200 higher......Anyone know??

new rpm = old rpm X new ratio/old ratio

or new rpm = old rpm x 1.1199

so at 1700 old rpm you will be 1903 rpm

-Ray-

07-23-2009, 03:48 PM

Good bye poor traction, hello no traction! :)

locrzn#92

07-23-2009, 03:57 PM

How much were the gears?

edmanet

07-23-2009, 04:48 PM

Nice! When you coming up?

Hopefully sometime in the next two weeks. And during the trip I'll
go over 3000 miles. :sad: LIVERNOIS sent me one of their tuning packages.
Dan wants to try a few things to get rid of my converter issue before
I drive up there.

Good bye poor traction, hello no traction!

A drag pack from CC Wheel will solve that.

How much were the gears?
You'll have to pm or call Andy. I really don't know. All I know is LIVERNOIS
called some exec at GM and I believe I got one of the last diffs in the US.

Did anyone notice the pedders diff bushings are already installed ??
Sweet !!!

Devilish34

07-23-2009, 04:49 PM

Good bye poor traction, hello no traction! :)

I think he's already there lol
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-Ray-

07-23-2009, 05:17 PM

LOL Paul got credit for my quote.

edmanet

07-23-2009, 05:24 PM

LOL Paul got credit for my quote.

Sorry...fixed. Multi-quoting is beyond me. LOL

-Ray-

07-23-2009, 05:27 PM

That's ok, I'm not too good at it either. I just quit attempting it. LOL

13 QTR

07-23-2009, 05:48 PM

From one of my prior posts: Here's a quick guide to approx stock and approx RPMs at various speeds with various rear gear swaps. I thought this might be helpful to have in one place, in case anyone wants some quick reference.

2.92 Stock Gears G8 GT Automatic 18" & 19" Tires are about the same diameter.
50 MPH 1350 RPMs
60 1550
70 1800
80 2000

3.27 Gears
50 MPH 1512 RPMs
60 1736
70 2016
80 2240

3.45 Gears
50 MPH 1593 RPMs
60 1829
70 2124
80 2360

3.70 Gears
50 MPH 1710 RPMs
60 1964
70 2281
80 2534

Hope it helps...

I don't think the 3.27's are that high....at 80mph..I'm only turning 2195-2200rpms. I know that's only 40rpms difference....but it's still a difference.

p71

07-23-2009, 06:00 PM

240

SpeedRacerX

07-23-2009, 06:06 PM

I don't think the 3.27's are that high....at 80mph..I'm only turning 2195-2200rpms. I know that's only 40rpms difference....but it's still a difference.

Right, you have 3.27s and we're off by about 40 RPMs (1.67% difference). Remember, my numbers are approx and are with stock G8s with stock 26.7" diameter tires.

If you've changed tires even slightly, that would change your RPMs.

Also, I'm not sure but maybe some of the other performance mods you did changed your RPMs?.?.

13 QTR

07-23-2009, 06:06 PM

240

What? referring to my post? If so....he said 2240@80....I said 2200@80....that's a 40rpm difference...not 240.

GeorgeInNePa

07-23-2009, 06:13 PM

how much were the gears?

this^^^

Mike P

07-23-2009, 06:17 PM

A drag pack from CC Wheel will solve that.

Got any more info. on what a drag pack is & what it does? I Googled it and it just said stuff about more aggressive gears and oil coolers.....

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edmanet

07-23-2009, 06:25 PM

this^^^

I seriously don't know. You need to call LIVERNOIS.

G8GT594

07-23-2009, 06:28 PM

Hopefully sometime in the next two weeks. And during the trip I'll
go over 3000 miles. :sad: LIVERNOIS sent me one of their tuning packages.
Dan wants to try a few things to get rid of my converter issue before
I drive up there.

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Send me a PM when you head up. I'll meet you at the shop...

SpeedRacerX

07-23-2009, 06:33 PM

I seriously don't know. You need to call LIVERNOIS.

I was told by Livernois, within the last week, about $1450 shipped. But they were running low - like 2 left.

edmanet

07-23-2009, 06:36 PM

Send me a PM when you head up. I'll meet you at the shop...

I'll post a message when I schedule my appt.

GeorgeInNePa

07-23-2009, 06:54 PM

Got any more info. on what a drag pack is & what it does? I Googled it and it just said stuff about more aggressive gears and oil coolers.....

...

It's about $3500 worth of skinnies and wides with your choice of tires...

www.ccwheel.com

GeorgeInNePa

07-23-2009, 06:57 PM

That's ok, I'm not too good at it either. I just quit attempting it. LOL

No wonder you have 5100 posts.

edmanet

07-23-2009, 07:24 PM

It's about $3500 worth of skinnies and wides with your choice of tires...

www.ccwheel.com

I was quoted $2500.

Mike P

07-23-2009, 07:33 PM

Drag Packs = some serious coin!

I'll go with my cheapie rims & MT Drag Radials for now........

* I really need Pedders suspension mods next.......

...

GeorgeInNePa

07-23-2009, 08:23 PM

I was quoted $2500.

With tires?

That's not bad...

ET Streets are about 200 each and skinnies are about 150 each, so the tires are 700ish so that means the wheels are 1800 (450 each).

stryker g8gt

07-24-2009, 12:29 AM

[quote=edmanet;120709]A 3.27 diff

http://mystudios.com/photos/p1050208.jpg

Nice..........I want the 3.70 so bad

Side question.... what is your luanch regement at the track......

edmanet

07-24-2009, 08:05 AM

With tires?

That's not bad...

ET Streets are about 200 each and skinnies are about 150 each, so the tires are 700ish so that means the wheels are 1800 (450 each).

Yes with tires. Scott at INTENSE has a set on his twin turbo G8.

wreckwriter

07-24-2009, 10:40 AM

Pedders is not the best choice for drag racing.

For most suspension stuff its the only choice available....

Devilish34

07-24-2009, 10:53 AM

Roy once you get this done I'll put her down the track so you can take pictures of your car :)

edmanet

07-24-2009, 12:03 PM

Roy once you get this done I'll put her down the track so you can take pictures of your car :)

no problema....

GeorgeInNePa

07-24-2009, 12:14 PM

Pedders is not the best choice for drag racing.

Nice diff, give those tires hell!!!

The factory rubber is better?

Mike P

07-24-2009, 12:20 PM

Pedders is not the best choice for drag racing.

Nice diff, give those tires hell!!!

It has to be a ton better than my factory/stock set up........ :wacko:

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Devilish34

07-24-2009, 02:27 PM

no problema....

:woohoo: lol

G8GT594

07-24-2009, 09:19 PM

For turning sure the Pedders is better then stock... but for drag racing not really. You want the weight transfer to the rear in drag racing which the stiff touring/road course suspensions do not give you, but surprisingly the stock suspension is good at it.

Depends on your goals... do you want to drag race, road race/auto-x, or both?

And this is the reason why pedders offers a drag kit only.

GeorgeInNePa

07-24-2009, 09:59 PM

For turning sure the Pedders is better then stock... but for drag racing not really. You want the weight transfer to the rear in drag racing which the stiff touring/road course suspensions do not give you, but surprisingly the stock suspension is good at it.

Xa coilovers my good man, best of both worlds...

;)

Get rid of the rubber bushings, use whatever company makes you happy.

Crazy Paul

07-24-2009, 11:40 PM

For most suspension stuff its the only choice available....

Thats what they want you to believe.

Mike P

07-25-2009, 01:22 AM

H&R, Eibach, Bilstein, Koni, Tein, Lovells,... all have items available. A few more companies such as BMR carry bits and pieces as well and these brands actually have items in stock.

For turning sure the Pedders is better then stock... but for drag racing not really. You want the weight transfer to the rear in drag racing which the stiff touring/road course suspensions do not give you, but surprisingly the stock suspension is good at it.

Depends on your goals... do you want to drag race, road race/auto-x, or both?

I'm looking for improved suspension to reduce/eliminate wheel hop, and to improve handling a little bit on the street. So these companies have bushings and kit parts similar to Pedders?

I was looking to do...

• G8 Street 1 Kit = $339.99
• BMR Trailing Arms = $139.95 for a pair
• Pedder’s Rear Lower Knuckle Bushings EP 7266 = $96
• Pedder’s 5030 Strut Mount Bearings = $77
• Pedder’s 5851 Strut Mount Bushings = $86

...

edmanet

07-25-2009, 09:25 AM

True and thats why its only bushings.

I'm not pushing any brand. I have the bmr trailing arms, and the pedders x bushings. I added the pedders diff bushings because its part of their stage 1 drag kit.

I have no wheel hop or any other issue at the track except for a lost of traction
any any given moment...LMAO

GeorgeInNePa

07-25-2009, 10:03 AM

I guess, or you could take that $3,000 and go a lot faster.

I have less than half that in my Xas.

If I wanted a drag only car, that's what I would have built. I have a bit of experience building those.

'69 396/375 4-speed Camaro, runs B/Stock. My father and I built it in the early 90s. He's running it this weekend at Numidia for a Division 1 National Open. First time out in about 3 years.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/GeorgeInNePa/Kids1168.jpg

I only have a few runs with the Xa coil-overs so far, but they seem to be ok. I rolled the adjustment back to stock settings for the fronts and when I launched the car, it rotated around the rear axles and streched out the front suspension.

Not much squat, but then again, I didn't really want much.

1.79-60' on brand new ET Streets in shitty (+1700') air. I think they'll do fine. ;)

GRRRR8

07-25-2009, 10:06 AM

Until there is a NIGHTMARE ON ANY STREET in the other lane. :nah: lol

GeorgeInNePa

07-25-2009, 10:11 AM

Until there is a NIGHTMARE ON ANY STREET in the other lane. :nah: lol

:finger:

Don't worry, I'm planning my NO2 system too, and you already know about the cam/heads plans so :nah: for you too!

GRRRR8

07-25-2009, 10:23 AM

:finger:

Don't worry, I'm planning my NO2 system too, and you already know about the cam/heads plans so :nah: for you too!

Just keep cooking and eating that great food. I figure that is gotta be worth a tenth or 2 in my favor. :)

GeorgeInNePa

07-25-2009, 10:30 AM

Just keep cooking and eating that great food. I figure that is gotta be worth a tenth or 2 in my favor. :)

Ha!

I've seen the pics of you, you're not much smaller! I wouldn't count on more than a few hundredths.

GRRRR8

07-25-2009, 10:51 AM

Ha!

I've seen the pics of you, you're not much smaller! I wouldn't count on more than a few hundredths.

Oh yeah...forgot about that. lol

edmanet

08-03-2009, 05:15 PM

I have less than half that in my Xas.

If I wanted a drag only car, that's what I would have built. I have a bit of experience building those.

'69 396/375 4-speed Camaro, runs B/Stock. My father and I built it in the early 90s. He's running it this weekend at Numidia for a Division 1 National Open. First time out in about 3 years.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/GeorgeInNePa/Kids1168.jpg

I only have a few runs with the Xa coil-overs so far, but they seem to be ok. I rolled the adjustment back to stock settings for the fronts and when I launched the car, it rotated around the rear axles and streched out the front suspension.

Not much squat, but then again, I didn't really want much.

1.79-60' on brand new ET Streets in shitty (+1700') air. I think they'll do fine. ;)

When I ran my 11.95 the DA was 1800. So that's a shitty DA number.

Devilish34

08-03-2009, 05:29 PM

When I ran my 11.95 the DA was 1800. So that's a shitty DA number.

I'm calling your ass out for this Friday...Put he ETs on you car and line up against my weak sauce G8 with crappy GYs.... I bet I tree your slow ass lol

Mike P

08-03-2009, 06:40 PM

I'm calling your ass out for this Friday...Put he ETs on you car and line up against my weak sauce G8 with crappy GYs.... I bet I tree your slow ass lol

Them sound like fightin' words..... :boxing:

You better get a good jump on Roy's fast car. Maybe he'll spot you a 1/2 a car length? :D

Good luck..... Sounds like a fun race....

It would be nice to have a bunch of G8's at an uncrowded drag strip, so you could have a few heads up races with other modded G8s..... :)

...

GeorgeInNePa

08-03-2009, 06:41 PM

With that converter/tire setup you better be running those 60' or I would think something was wrong. Yet with all those mods your essentially running the same times as me. I'd say both ways work ;)

Give me time to play and dial it in.

;)

My .56 was run on a night when I got to use a set of drag radials twice.

My .69 was run in air 3100 feet higher than when I ran the .56. My 60' was off by less than .01 (the new suspension is working I think).

There's a lot more in there.

GeorgeInNePa

08-03-2009, 06:44 PM

When I ran my 11.95 the DA was 1800. So that's a shitty DA number.

Just think what it would have done at -1000 or -1300!

Devilish34

08-03-2009, 06:44 PM

Them sound like fightin' words..... :boxing:

You better get a good jump on Roy's fast car. Maybe he'll spot you a 31/2 a car lengths? :D

Good luck..... Sounds like a fun race....

It would be nice to have a bunch of G8's at an uncrowded drag strip, so you could have a few heads up races with other modded G8s..... :)

...

Fixed

Roy is old and reacts reaaaaaal slow lol :)

Devilish34

08-03-2009, 06:45 PM

Just think what it would have done at -1000 or -1300!

Only at Atco ;) ok maybe not only

Devilish34

08-03-2009, 06:47 PM

Oh yeah...forgot about that. lol

Fat ass :nah:

GeorgeInNePa

08-03-2009, 07:00 PM

Only at Atco ;) ok maybe not only

Bah!

I've been at the Grove in -1200' air. The Dutch Classic is a perfect time for Stock/SS record runs.

Etown gets fantastic air in the Fall.

MIR, US13, all the East Coast tracks get great air at different times of the year.

The only people who cry about Atco are the guys with slow cars.

Ha!

;)

GRRRR8

08-03-2009, 07:06 PM

Fat ass :nah:

I think I have enough power to eat 1 or 2 of of Georges meals and still set you out 10 and get the win light. :boxing:

Devilish34

08-03-2009, 07:15 PM

I think I have enough power to eat 1 or 2 of of Georges meals and still set you out 10 and get the win light. :boxing:

FYI I qualified expert with a M16 and 45 Also can hit 1/4 at 50 yrds dead center with open sights. But you should see me on a sporting clays field.. I like to let shit get a lead before I kill it. :)

But my car is still slow.....for now :devil:

GRRRR8

08-03-2009, 07:17 PM

Did I tell you about the new GRRRR8 bullet proof option? lol

Devilish34

08-03-2009, 07:18 PM

Bah!

I've been at the Grove in -1200' air. The Dutch Classic is a perfect time for Stock/SS record runs.

Etown gets fantastic air in the Fall.

MIR, US13, all the East Coast tracks get great air at different times of the year.

The only people who cry about Atco are the guys with slow cars.

Ha!

;)

whose crying???

FYI the #33 I'm drinking is cold brrr

edmanet

08-07-2009, 09:25 AM

After Aug 17th.......I'll be cammed, stalled, and geared. Hoepfully I'll run some good numbers in the fall. Then if everything goes alright I'll get the CCW drag
pack and drop another tenth or two.