Line lock day complete!

[Darkside]

Well we spent fathers today up in Pittsburgh using the car for a prototype for a new line lock. Went up to SJM Manufacturing and got everything mocked up for the G8 setup. There will be a couple of different options and Steve took pictures of the setups. Steve spent all day figuring out the best spot and fabbing the kits up. Not alot of room by the ABS, but a nice looking setup. Now I just need to figure out where I want the switches and light.

Thanks again to Steve at SJM, hope to see him here as a sponsor. Should be a fun mod.:woohoo:

Thanks as well to Wreckwriter for getting this ball rolling.

[Mr louis]

cant wait!

[GM_Fan]

Waiting to see the finished product.

[wreckwriter]

Thanks very much for doing that :)

[GRRRR8]

:woohoo: If 1 of you has SJMs info send it to me so I can contact them.

[wreckwriter]

:woohoo: If 1 of you has SJMs info send it to me so I can contact them.

check PMs

[GRRRR8]

Thanks!

[MANOFSTEEL69]

Any rough estimates cost wise?
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[wreckwriter]

Here's their GTO stuff, similar price???

http://www.sjmmanufacturing.com/gto_brk.html

[wreckwriter]

Now if we can get someone to make a trans brake........

[Darkside]

Steve also makes Bogart race wheels. He was playing around with one laying around and put it on the G8. Hopefully he'll sign up here and post all his pics.

[wreckwriter]

Here's a few pics Steve sent me. I don't know the context, just got the pics:

[G8GT721]

he guys how many wires are there in a line lock set up, since im pulling wires now i might as well pull these just in case

+12 to switch, wire for other side if switch to line lock assembly (2total)???

[blackbirdws6]

Was surprised something like this wasn't out sooner. Def. a nice thing to have on cars that see the strip more than a few times a year.

[Darkside]

Here's a few pics Steve sent me. I don't know the context, just got the pics:

First picture is the actual one in my car, its the Hurst style line lock. The second picture is the SJM line lock, which is a bit less expensive. The last two pictures are of a custom Bogart race wheel that he was checking into seeing what our G8's would require.

I'll be painting the lines black to blend in to the factory lines. 99% of the world won't even know that its there.

[wreckwriter]

Yea, the Hurst is the way to go.

[GRRRR8]

I hope to see SJM here soon. If they are going to sell a lot of them, it will be here!

[G8GT721]

guys whats the difference between the two line locks? is it just price?

[wreckwriter]

Hurst is generally considered more reliable due to better solenoid.

[wreckwriter]

he guys how many wires are there in a line lock set up, since im pulling wires now i might as well pull these just in case

+12 to switch, wire for other side if switch to line lock assembly (2total)???

Pull 4 just in case, you can always unpull 2.

[G8GT721]

Hurst is generally considered more reliable due to better solenoid.

gotcha


Pull 4 just in case, you can always unpull 2.

spare wires are always good just in case

[-Ray-]

Nice going Steve. I'm not ready for this now, but I'm sure I will soon enough. BTW, I'm in your neck of the woods this week.

[edmanet]

I hope to see SJM here soon. If they are going to sell a lot of them, it will be here!

SJM just posted this will be available in a few weeks over on ls1tech. Maybe we can get him to be a sponsor here and get a group buy. And the price will be about the same as GTO pricing $149.

[wreckwriter]

Steve, how big of a nightmare was the bleed after install?

[GRRRR8]

No different then when you did your brake lines.

[MANOFSTEEL69]

SJM just posted this will be available in a few weeks over on ls1tech. Maybe we can get him to be a sponsor here and get a group buy. And the price will be about the same as GTO pricing $149.

+1

[Darkside]

Steve, how big of a nightmare was the bleed after install?

I was at the Pittsburgh Zoo at the time.:gop:

[GeorgeInNePa]

Where do I send the check?

I can haz linelok?


;)

[GRRRR8]

They will be available in July. George you get yours in December. :nah:

[Devilish34]

Georges current line lock kit
http://www.belson.com/images/7074-M.jpg

[GeorgeInNePa]

:rofl:

You guys realize this just points out how lazy we all are, right? We could have bought the LL months ago and bent the tubing ourselves.

We waited until someone bent tubing for us.

I still can't wait for the kit.

;)

[Devilish34]

:rofl:

You guys realize this just points out how lazy we all are, right? We could have bought the LL months ago and bent the tubing ourselves.

We waited until someone bent tubing for us.

I still can't wait for the kit.

;)
Or called this guy

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nxUXiaBoAng/RuvFgWK9DRI/AAAAAAAABaw/GLmptmUCJcA/s400/2.jpg

[wreckwriter]

Looky looky:

http://www.sjmmanufacturing.com/g8_brk.html

Line locks are now available!

[GeorgeInNePa]

Looky looky:

http://www.sjmmanufacturing.com/g8_brk.html

Line locks are now available!



Ordered!


:)

[wreckwriter]

Ordered!


:)

Me too. Planned your switches yet?

[GeorgeInNePa]

Me too. Planned your switches yet?

No, I do have some thoughts...

I am thinking about a plug under the dash with a small switch box that can be strapped to the e-brake handle on race day.

[SJM Manufacturing Inc]

If one of you guys can acquire schematics for the CC circuit or other circuit you want to run the LL through, I see what I can do incorporating the LL electrical portion into the circuit.


Could someone e-mail or post Charlie’s e-mail address please.

[wreckwriter]

No, I do have some thoughts...

I am thinking about a plug under the dash with a small switch box that can be strapped to the e-brake handle on race day.

That's a good idea. I was thinking 2 toggles on the little panel where the headlight switch is. One would be standard on/off, the other momentary. Not sure if I need SPST, SPDT, etc switches though. Will see what come in the kit and try to figure it out. Mine won't be here til Monday.

[wreckwriter]

If one of you guys can acquire schematics for the CC circuit or other circuit you want to run the LL through, I see what I can do incorporating the LL electrical portion into the circuit.


Could someone e-mail or post Charlie’s e-mail address please.

CC?

Cruise control?

[SJM Manufacturing Inc]

hmmmm digital logic circuit. Not going to work easily without bypassing internal resistance between switches. By the represenation, its probably a switch that is built without the intent of repair...only replace.

You need at mininum a stdp switch to create a multi function circuit. Lets try another circuit. How about the horn circuit.

What is this circuit from? Mitchell, Alldata or directly from GM? Please e-mail me the circuit as I don't get on here as much as I'd like....

[wreckwriter]

Its from AllData. I'll mail you the horn but here it is too. Personally I'm not going to use an existing button, going to give it a switch of its own.

[wreckwriter]

For those considering using the horn button, the first post here may help:

http://www.turbomustangs.com/smf/index.php?topic=63983.0

[99-LS1-SS]

Subscribing.

[GeorgeInNePa]

I didn't realize the kit was in fact a KIT.

You get everything!

Toggle switch, push button, indicator light, wire, connectors, etc...

Nice

[wreckwriter]

Is it a coil type wire on the button? Wish there was a way to mount a button on the wheel somehow but I can't see how. Starting to think the horn trick might be best.

[wreckwriter]

When you installing George?

[GeorgeInNePa]

Just standard stranded wire.

I'll be installing probably Mon/Tues sometime.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/GeorgeInNePa/G8/LL.jpg

[SJM Manufacturing Inc]

I didn't realize the kit was in fact a KIT.

You get everything!

Toggle switch, push button, indicator light, wire, connectors, etc...

Nice

I’m glad that our kit was so well received. Hopefully you find it just as easy to install. Our kits come pre-assembled; ready to install. We try to make it as easy as possible for the novice installer.

I've developed an advanced schematic circuit design for the non-novice G8 customer as an alternative electrical installation and functionality. Let me reiterate, this is not for the novice G8 customer.

It will be made available to our customers who purchase our kits new from us. It will not be made available nor is it intended for the general public. SJM takes pride in our work and are happy to extend advanced services. We are happy to support our customers who support us and our vendors. Please contact me for details.

[wreckwriter]

I'll be installing probably Mon/Tues sometime.


George, did you install yet?

[GeorgeInNePa]

George, did you install yet?

No, I didn't get to it. I had "round the house" stuff to take care of.

Hopefully this week.

[wreckwriter]

I got my hardware mounted yesterday, will be bleeding today and wiring within next couple days. Not much room to drill mounting holes due to fuse box and other stuff in the way. I was only able to get 2 mounts, 3 would be doable if you spent more time at it. It seems very secure though.

[wreckwriter]

Bleed complete, no issues. Went ahead and painted my calipers while the wheels were off... Now to put it all back together.

[GeorgeInNePa]

Bleed complete, no issues. Went ahead and painted my calipers while the wheels were off... Now to put it all back together.

Do you have one of those power bleeders or did you go "old school"?

[wreckwriter]

Do you have one of those power bleeders or did you go "old school"?

Power bleeder.

[c5racr1]

did you get an ABS light when You use the line lock> I installed mine and I get an abs warning light when I use it.

[GRRRR8]

That would be normal as the front tires are stationary and the rears are spinning. Once the key is cycled it will turn off if it doesnt before that.

[c5racr1]

thank you, i was just wondering

[wreckwriter]

I got mine wired in yesterday. Haven't had a chance to test it with a waterbox but on dry street the front wheels will still roll a bit, locked but not totally locked.

[Rich@pm-fl.com]

I got mine wired in yesterday. Haven't had a chance to test it with a waterbox but on dry street the front wheels will still roll a bit, locked but not totally locked.

They should be totally locked. You really have to push down on the brakes hard before you lock the solenoid.

[wreckwriter]

They should be totally locked. You really have to push down on the brakes hard before you lock the solenoid.

I thought I pushed pretty hard. Will retest.

[SJM Manufacturing Inc]

I thought I pushed pretty hard. Will retest.

As mentioned, you do have to depress the brake pedal rather hard then activated the solenoid. If you still have air in your front lines, you're going to have issues as well. Air trapped in the system doesn’t have the same compressibility as hydraulic fluid.

If you don't have a scan tool to cycle the controller while bleeding (if air is trapped in the controller solenoids), stomp on the brakes a few times (while driving) to activate the solenoids, this can dislodge trapped bubbles. Then re-bleed the system. Realistically, you should only need ~32oz bottle for the whole job. Remove most of the older fluid before you start the process. This lowers dilution issues between new and old fluid. The car that we did even though the fluid wasn’t too old, it was very dirty looking. FWIW, you’re fluid should be changed every 2 years at most. The longer you let it go, the higher the water content lowering your wet boiling point. You'll also increase the likelihood if internal corrosion within the caliper components and brake lines.

How did the whole install go? Are you happy with the results thus far?

[wreckwriter]

Got a chance to test it at the track Saturday night, it worked perfectly. I made sure to really push the brakes before I actuated it and the car didn't move until I released it.

Install was pretty easy, hardest part was the bleed and that's only hard due to dealing with jackstands and pulling the wheels. I took power off one of the cigarette lighter fuses using a Littlefuse Add-a-Circuit. I'll try to post some pics soon.

[wreckwriter]

What type of tool is needed to cycle the controller? Anything short of a Tech 2 that will do it?

[SJM Manufacturing Inc]

What type of tool is needed to cycle the controller? Anything short of a Tech 2 that will do it?

There may be other controllers which cycle ABS like the tech 2 tool. If you've got concerns or issues, cycling the ABS as I've described should dislodge air as well.

[Devilish34]

ordered :)

[SJM Manufacturing Inc]

I think I saw it go out yesterday (wednesday). It probably will arrive today. If if left, you should have received tracking numbers.

Let me know if you need any help. If you want the special horn circuit I drew up specifically for your car, I can send it to you.

It should be a rather simple install. The kit comes pre-assembled. A tip for you, make sure you always rotate the solenoid clockwise (if you need to re-position it).

Give me a call if you have questions regarding the kit,

Thanks for your order!

[Devilish34]

I think I saw it go out yesterday (wednesday). It probably will arrive today. If if left, you should have received tracking numbers.

Let me know if you need any help. If you want the special horn circuit I drew up specifically for your car, I can send it to you.

It should be a rather simple install. The kit comes pre-assembled. A tip for you, make sure you always rotate the solenoid clockwise (if you need to re-position it).

Give me a call if you have questions regarding the kit,

Thanks for your order!

UPS has it as a Friday delivery ... What does the horn circuit do? Does it eliminate the need for a switch inside the car or ??

[SJM Manufacturing Inc]

It would enable you to use the horn as a dual button. You'll need to remote mount somewhere (literally anywhere you want to hide it...glove box etc) in the car a small switch, you'll want to mount the small LED in a visible area.

When the switch is in its normal position, the horn button controls the horn. When you throw the switch in the opposite direction, an LED illuminates (visual acknowledgment the horn button no longer controls the horn), the horn is now your LL button.

It’s a separate circuit I created for you guys as some had asked for a different layout. You’ll need a couple of parts that we do not include in the electrical kit. The electrical kit which comes with the kit consists of two switches, ~10’ of wire, LED and assorted connectors.

It’s a separate option that we have for our customers. There is no cost for the circuit for the guys who own our kits. It is a bit more technically challenging to install.

[Devilish34]

It would enable you to use the horn as a dual button. You'll need to remote mount somewhere (literally anywhere you want to hide it...glove box etc) in the car a small switch, you'll want to mount the small LED in a visible area.

When the switch is in its normal position, the horn button controls the horn. When you throw the switch in the opposite direction, an LED illuminates (visual acknowledgment the horn button no longer controls the horn), the horn is now your LL button.

It’s a separate circuit I created for you guys as some had asked for a different layout. You’ll need a couple of parts that we do not include in the electrical kit. The electrical kit which comes with the kit consists of two switches, ~10’ of wire, LED and assorted connectors.

It’s a separate option that we have for our customers. There is no cost for the circuit for the guys who own our kits. It is a bit more technically challenging to install.


I'll have to take a look at the kit when it gets here.

[Devilish34]

solenoid installed late last night now on to the wiring.

[MANOFSTEEL69]

Just ordered mine today! Woot!

[Devilish34]

Just ordered mine today! Woot!

FYI it's a tight fit
I had to break out the center punch and hammer to drill small starter holes to mount it.

I'll post some pics when I'm done. Just need to figure out how I'm wiring it to keep it stealthy

[Devilish34]

I couldn't bring myself to drill holes in my car so I grabbed the ashtray from my Avalanche. Plus with two young children there will be no worries about them flipping switches. Just have to work on the power from the ashtray to the solenoid. I will either have a jack to pug into in the glove box or a wire from the GB to the ashtray w/plug. The power point just is switched and has a fuse :)