My First Citation...on a Bike. as in Bicycle.

[blackoutgt]

So hows this for cops padding their ego?

A while back I was coming home from classes at Texas A&M, (I like to ride my road bike since I don't live too far away from campus and money saved = G8 parts) So anyway, I'm in the bicycle lane and make a rolling right into another bicycle lane, when I hear cops siren. That's right, a cop pulled me over for making a rolling right...on my bike. So I'm sitting on the side of the road on my bike giving him my info, with a cruiser behind me lights and all flashing while he proceeds to write me a citation. Seriously?! Oh did I mention most of the rest of the class drove by with me sitting there, I'm sure laughing. I hope that cop got back in his car and realized how small his penis is. Just thought y'all would get a kick out of it.

Oh and in case you can't read it, Make and Model are "Raleigh" "Bicycle"

[G8GT594]

Your shitting me! LOL Should have just ripped it up and continued on your way lol.
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[GeoffA]

Well I guess if you don't pay it all they'll do is... um... REPO your green Raleigh. :rofl:

[MissNaySimon]

I think that was a little crazy for him to do - but I've got a question. Do you guys have to follow the same rules as cars like bicyclists have to in Washington? I know that they can be ticketed here if they don't stop at a right on red, at a stop sign, ect. ect. If so, then I think he was justified in doing what he did.

[GeoffA]

After further inspection of your Citation, All that is, is a written warning. Disregard and pedal on brother.

And the date says what? 10/22/08 or 10/22/06?

[Chewy]

Rip it up like this guy?

5OgeMNVFpIg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OgeMNVFpIg)

[MissNaySimon]

^ That guy will go down in history as the most irate vehicle operator known to man.

[p71]

Dude... if that happens again pull over and take the fifth. Do not give them ID... you are not required to provide it in a case like this.. the only reason you have to when you are driving is to prove you are licensed...

Plus it is campus police so...

[fiveoh]

Campus police. I'm not surpised. At Texas State I had a cop pull me over for expired inspection. It was 6:30pm or so and I was on the way home from class. The cop sees a baseball bat in my backseat floor board and starts trying to tell me he could take me to jail becuase the bat is a deadly weapon blah blah. Eventually I told him I played baseball(lol the bat had no grip on it at all an was way too small for me) and thats what I used it for.

[timg8]

I think that was a little crazy for him to do - but I've got a question. Do you guys have to follow the same rules as cars like bicyclists have to in Washington? I know that they can be ticketed here if they don't stop at a right on red, at a stop sign, ect. ect. If so, then I think he was justified in doing what he did.

Yes, bicyclists have to follow the same rules for traffic movement as motorized vehicles in Texas. People complain constantly about bicyclists not following the rules. I wonder how many bicycles are involved in accidents in College Station. Maybe they have cracked down for a reason,,,I don't know.


Dude... if that happens again pull over and take the fifth. Do not give them ID... you are not required to provide it in a case like this.. the only reason you have to when you are driving is to prove you are licensed...

Plus it is campus police so...

Kinda wrong...Refusal to id may very well get him put in jail on a more significant charge than a traffic violation, he does not have to provide a license but he is required to identify himself. As far as a photo ID, if he can't prove who he is he could be taken to jail until he could see a magistrate. Campus police have just as much authority as any other Texas peace officer under Article 2.12 of the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure


Campus police. I'm not surpised. At Texas State I had a cop pull me over for expired inspection. It was 6:30pm or so and I was on the way home from class. The cop sees a baseball bat in my backseat floor board and starts trying to tell me he could take me to jail becuase the bat is a deadly weapon blah blah. Eventually I told him I played baseball(lol the bat had no grip on it at all an was way too small for me) and thats what I used it for.

It is possible he could have charged you with Unlawful Carrying a Weapon if was altered in any substantial way it could be considered a club. With your explanation he could have but without any substantial alterations it would have been tough to prosecute.

[r33pwrd]

not top be a dick but I cannot stand bikes that want the same rights as cars but dont want to follow the same rules! I gives thumbs up to the cops that tickets bikes for riding past cars in traffic on the sidewalk! or for running red lights

[Fatdaddy]

I feel your pain. I too have been pulled over on a bicycle. I got a warning for speeding.

Cop clocked me doing 45 in a 30. It was on a downhill section of road. I avoided the ticket because I didn't have a computer and had no idea how fast I was going. He told me not to be passing cars. Then he said that was pretty darn fast for an old guy on a bike. I told him I make up for it on the climbs. My road bike is a Specialized Allez 10spd double. Now that I have a G8, my bike doesn't get much love.

[stonebreaker]

So hows this for cops padding their ego?

A while back I was coming home from classes at Texas A&M, (I like to ride my road bike since I don't live too far away from campus and money saved = G8 parts) So anyway, I'm in the bicycle lane and make a rolling right into another bicycle lane, when I hear cops siren. That's right, a cop pulled me over for making a rolling right...on my bike. So I'm sitting on the side of the road on my bike giving him my info, with a cruiser behind me lights and all flashing while he proceeds to write me a citation. Seriously?! Oh did I mention most of the rest of the class drove by with me sitting there, I'm sure laughing. I hope that cop got back in his car and realized how small his penis is. Just thought y'all would get a kick out of it.

Oh and in case you can't read it, Make and Model are "Raleigh" "Bicycle"

Sure, I get a kick every time some knucklehead comes shooting out of a side street angled over 45 degrees to make the turn, sails right in front of me, and then flips me off because I honked at his dumb ass.

[MissNaySimon]

^ +2. I can't tell you how many times I've almost ran over people rolling through crosswalks with a no-cross sign. YOU ARE NOT A CAR. In the laws of life, Cars vs Bicycles, Cars Win.

Now, the riders that follow the signs, laws, right of ways, etc etc, thank you. You make being on the road with bicycles that much easier.

[p71]

Nay,

Not to get into a lawyer versus criminal justice debate but;

You cannot be compelled to provide identification if you are an American citizen. You can be held on suspicion if you don't and you might end up in front of a magistrate, but then you have the option for all kinds of wonderful civil actions. I realise that the supreme court recently upheld the right of an LEO to arrest someone for an infraction that has a maximum penalty of a fine but there is still plenty of wriggle room.

The right to say nothing is one of the most underexercised rights in the country... if you really want to you can do the search for the guy up north who walked around town with a gun strapped to his hip (his state allows open carry) and when the cops show up he calmly and polietly says that he does not want to talk to them and that he does not wish to identify himself.

Any time I get pulled over and I am reasonably sure that I am getting a ticket I tell all my passengers not to identify themselves and not to provide ID. It wastes the cops time, frustrates the hell out of them and usually pisses them off enough to make a substantive error on the ticket that I take to the judge and say this is not what happened. Am I advocating wasting police time? No of course not, but I am exercising my rights. Also I feel that most traffic laws are arcane and arbitrary and that in those cases a little civil disobedience is called for (if you have never ever sped feel free to contradict me).

So does it work? Yes... I got ticket for speeding in a BMW last year, told my wife not to ID herself cop got flustered and called in backup and I got the ticket... I contacted the prosecutor, showed him that I did not own a BMW and that the registration number for the car and the insurance I had provided were for my G8... told him that it might look silly for her only witness, someone charged with operating a computer controlled radar to be someone who apparently could not read two letter acronyms and she dropped the charges. The fact that I had an affidavidt from the TDOT that sayed that they replaced the speed limit sign the next monday because it had been knocked over a while before hand probably helped too.

If you exercise your rights, you may loose them. If you do not, you will.

Oh and zero props to campus cops, I do not care what the state says, they are, in my experience they are almost all wannabes who washed out from the military or state posts (no disrespect to those of you who made this a career CHOICE). The units almost all simply exist to make money for the schools from traffic infractions. Any real crimes are referred to the real police who's jurisdiction surrounds envelops and includes the campus police's

Sorry for the rant and sorry to sound like a dick, but I have the utmost respect for the thin blue line and their recent ever increasing misuse as tax collectors is pissing me clean the hell off.

[timg8]

Nay,

Not to get into a lawyer versus criminal justice debate but;

You cannot be compelled to provide identification if you are an American citizen. You can be held on suspicion if you don't and you might end up in front of a magistrate, but then you have the option for all kinds of wonderful civil actions. I realise that the supreme court recently upheld the right of an LEO to arrest someone for an infraction that has a maximum penalty of a fine but there is still plenty of wriggle room.

He stated he was alleged to have committed an offense and evidently the officer observed it. You said it yourself in this paragraph, you can be arrested per the supreme court and besides failure to id is not a fine only offense. If you really want it to get fun, when you go before the magistrate make sure and tell them they cannot compel you to identify yourself when they ask you to identify yourself.

The right to say nothing is one of the most underexercised rights in the country... if you really want to you can do the search for the guy up north who walked around town with a gun strapped to his hip (his state allows open carry) and when the cops show up he calmly and polietly says that he does not want to talk to them and that he does not wish to identify himself.

In the example you provided the person did not commit an offense and based upon what you stated he is not even suspected or alleged to have committed an offense. I don't know what the carry law is "up north" just using your example. I have seen the right against self incrimination in the form of the 5th amendment, however, I have never seen the "right to say nothing" in the bill of rights. The Miranda ruling gives you the right to remain silent but that is not invoked until you are a suspect in a criminal matter and is based upon the self incrimination right of the 5th amendment regarding a statement of your actions. Again maybe you can tell that one to the magistrate and ask them if the 5th extends to identifying yourself. I will agree that you are free from arrest and not required/subject to interrogation if you are simply going about your business, lots of case law on this.

Might want to research this one:

Hiibel vs. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada
In 2004, the Supreme Court ruled in Hiibel vs. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, that laws that require a person to disclose his identity to a police officer do not violate the Fifth Amendment's Self-Incrimination Clause. If an officer has a reasonable suspicion that there is a crime in the making or has already been committed by this person, he can legally ask the person to identify himself and the person must comply or be charged with obstructing an officer in discharging his duty. The person does not, however, have to answer further questions.


Any time I get pulled over and I am reasonably sure that I am getting a ticket I tell all my passengers not to identify themselves and not to provide ID. It wastes the cops time, frustrates the hell out of them and usually pisses them off enough to make a substantive error on the ticket that I take to the judge and say this is not what happened. Am I advocating wasting police time? No of course not, but I am exercising my rights. Also I feel that most traffic laws are arcane and arbitrary and that in those cases a little civil disobedience is called for (if you have never ever sped feel free to contradict me).

Why do you id yourself when you get stopped, based upon your earlier statement that you can not be compelled to identify yourself? The passengers probably are not alleged to have done anything and would unlikely be called upon as witnesses in a traffic offense therefore would generally not be required to identify themselves.

So does it work? Yes... I got ticket for speeding in a BMW last year, told my wife not to ID herself cop got flustered and called in backup and I got the ticket... I contacted the prosecutor, showed him that I did not own a BMW and that the registration number for the car and the insurance I had provided were for my G8... told him that it might look silly for her only witness, someone charged with operating a computer controlled radar to be someone who apparently could not read two letter acronyms and she dropped the charges. The fact that I had an affidavidt from the TDOT that sayed that they replaced the speed limit sign the next monday because it had been knocked over a while before hand probably helped too.

Cop was evidently an idiot, because if he/she ran the LP when stopping you it would have been returned with the year and make of the vehicle, unless you had the wrong plates on your vehicle. Then the officer should have caught that as well. But there are some idiot officers out there, no question

If you exercise your rights, you may loose them. If you do not, you will.

Agreed

Oh and zero props to campus cops, I do not care what the state says, they are, in my experience they are almost all wannabes who washed out from the military or state posts (no disrespect to those of you who made this a career CHOICE). The units almost all simply exist to make money for the schools from traffic infractions. Any real crimes are referred to the real police who's jurisdiction surrounds envelops and includes the campus police's

Some of this is undoubtedly true about revenue generation, but here University of Texas has a pretty good size PD that are employed by the state just like the Texas Department of Public Safety. There was a big to do about this a few years ago. Even the local school district police have a criminal investigations division. Do they handle homicides and such, no, but that's because of resources more than abilities.

I was just pointing out from a legal perspective their status, not from a personality point of view or opinion.

Sorry for the rant and sorry to sound like a dick, but I have the utmost respect for the thin blue line and their recent ever increasing misuse as tax collectors is pissing me clean the hell off.

I don't think you are on a rant, just expressing a point of view. I don't think you sound like a dick, we need people to question authority because you are right the government is out of control and use traffic to generate revenue way to much. I just made my post because I hate to see someone go to jail over a traffic violation and wind up making the attorneys wealthy. It could have been a real bad thing in the OP's case because instead of a warning it would have escalated into him possibly being charged with a more serious offense.

I also happen to feel that the courts are there for a reason and the side of the road without a judge is probably not the best place for them. One last little tidbit when you decide to challenge the authority on the side of the road, one who represents himself in legal matters probably has an idiot for a client




BTW bold is just to separate the statements, not any form of yelling

[PaFromFL]

Sure, I get a kick every time some knucklehead comes shooting out of a side street angled over 45 degrees to make the turn, sails right in front of me, and then flips me off because I honked at his dumb ass.
Anyone on two wheels who doesn't drive defensively will come up against the laws of evolution and win a posthumous Darwin award, kind of like mixing alcohol with four or more wheels. At least a bicyclist is less likely take out innocent bystanders. However, bicyclists are unlikely to come to complete stops at intersections because that takes a relatively large effort. You can pass laws that treat bicycles like automobiles and laws that require leashes on a cats, but all that happens is that no one obeys the laws and citizens get angry at enforcers.

[timg8]

Anyone on two wheels who doesn't drive defensively will come up against the laws of evolution and win a posthumous Darwin award, kind of like mixing alcohol with four or more wheels. At least a bicyclist is less likely take out innocent bystanders. However, bicyclists are unlikely to come to complete stops at intersections because that takes a relatively large effort. You can pass laws that treat bicycles like automobiles and laws that require leashes on a cats, but all that happens is that no one obeys the laws and citizens get angry at enforcers.

That is the absolute truth, but you forgot one part. The citizens that pushed for the bicycle laws get angry at the enforcers for not addressing those violations. Oh well damned if you do and damned if you don't. I hate seat belt laws, bicycle helmet laws, tint laws and a whole bunch of others but someone wanted them. Hey they just passed a law here where kids have to be in booster seats until they are 8 years old, I think that is ridiculous but somebody wanted it. Some think it's a great idea and others hate it so what should the cops do?

[StandFast85]

It's a warning, what's the big deal?

[Slizzo]

Anyone on two wheels who doesn't drive defensively will come up against the laws of evolution and win a posthumous Darwin award..

Nothing Posthumous about a Darwin award, requires you to buy the farm to get one in the first place. :nah:


Now, some people get Honorable Mentions, and that, I suppose is a good thing... But....:boxing:

[p71]

Ummm by your definition all Darwin Awards are Posthumous...

PaFromFl was just being redundant.

[Slizzo]

Ummm by your definition all Darwin Awards are Posthumous...

PaFromFl was just being redundant.

Exactly, I was just pointing that out. In order to get a "Darwin Award", you have to be quite dead... No other way to get one.

That's what they have the Honorable Mentions for. :nah:

[deputycrawford]

P71 I'm still in shock over most of your earlier statements. All I can say is wow......just wow.


Jerry

[PaFromFL]

That is the absolute truth, but you forgot one part. The citizens that pushed for the bicycle laws get angry at the enforcers for not addressing those violations. Oh well damned if you do and damned if you don't. I hate seat belt laws, bicycle helmet laws, tint laws and a whole bunch of others but someone wanted them. Hey they just passed a law here where kids have to be in booster seats until they are 8 years old, I think that is ridiculous but somebody wanted it. Some think it's a great idea and others hate it so what should the cops do?
The cops should serve and protect by ticketing the egregious offenses that could harm the perp or innocent bystanders. If nothing particularly dangerous is done, let it slide. That is usually the intent of the law in the first place (A local mayor was recalled because she thought it was a good idea to enforce all code violations to the letter of the law.). Naturally the press or a politician will eventually blow some incident out of proportion and make life miserable for all cops. That is the bad part of the job. The good part is knowing that they save lives and make the public feel safer as they go about their business. It would help if the public realized how difficult law enforcement is, but that probably won't happen without an intense public relations advertising campaign.

[stonebreaker]

However, bicyclists are unlikely to come to complete stops at intersections because that takes a relatively large effort. You can pass laws that treat bicycles like automobiles and laws that require leashes on a cats, but all that happens is that no one obeys the laws and citizens get angry at enforcers.What, about stopping, requires such a huge effort?

[PaFromFL]

What, about stopping, requires such a huge effort?
Unless they just want to exercise their leg muscles, bicyclists prefer to use much less energy pedaling along at a constant speed. Stopping and starting takes much more effort. Think of the gas mileage hit you take in car when in stop and go traffic. The added sweat and muscle fatigue of stopping and starting provides instantaneous negative feedback and it quickly becomes hard to resist the temptation to blow off stop signs and traffic lights when it appears to be safe. If drivers got zapped by electrodes when wasting gas, they would quickly change their habits. The zaps at the gas station cash register are not as effective for behavior modification.

[stonebreaker]

Unless they just want to exercise their leg muscles, bicyclists prefer to use much less energy pedaling along at a constant speed. Stopping and starting takes much more effort. Think of the gas mileage hit you take in car when in stop and go traffic. The added sweat and muscle fatigue of stopping and starting provides instantaneous negative feedback and it quickly becomes hard to resist the temptation to blow off stop signs and traffic lights when it appears to be safe. If drivers got zapped by electrodes when wasting gas, they would quickly change their habits. The zaps at the gas station cash register are not as effective for behavior modification.

That's what gears are for.

[PaFromFL]

That's what gears are for.
Gears help, but it still takes extra energy to accelerate back to cruising speed. The travel time also increases if you have to stop. People are basically lazy, or from an evolutionary viewpoint, efficient. Just look at all the grass that is killed when people take shortcuts to avoid walking a little farther on a roundabout sidewalk. Why would anyone pay extra for power seats just to save a little time and effort? When you are hot and/or tired, it doesn't take many seemingly unecessary stops before you start taking liberties with traffic laws.

[mjf232]

It's a warning, what's the big deal?

Couldn't have said it better! Bro, I agree that it's a B.S. incident but it happened and all you got was a warning. The guy was just doing his job and what the locals/residents most likely complained about. In time you will look back at this and laugh and now have a funny story to tell. Now everyone on here is an attorney or an expert witness on the Bill of Rights. People, relax, take a deep breath, and please stop writing ridiculous statements on what you think you know. Thanks, end rant now.

[BluYa76]

Couldn't have said it better! Bro, I agree that it's a B.S. incident but it happened and all you got was a warning. The guy was just doing his job and what the locals/residents most likely complained about. In time you will look back at this and laugh and now have a funny story to tell. Now everyone on here is an attorney or an expert witness on the Bill of Rights. People, relax, take a deep breath, and please stop writing ridiculous statements on what you think you know. Thanks, end rant now.

Exactly!

[blackoutgt]

wow, woops, I hadn't checked this post in a long time... yes, I didn't get fined... just a little embarrassed, and I will say that I stop at every intersection now. didn't mean to bust out a heated discussion.

[pantherG8]

Nay,

Not to get into a lawyer versus criminal justice debate but;

You cannot be compelled to provide identification if you are an American citizen. You can be held on suspicion if you don't and you might end up in front of a magistrate, but then you have the option for all kinds of wonderful civil actions. I realise that the supreme court recently upheld the right of an LEO to arrest someone for an infraction that has a maximum penalty of a fine but there is still plenty of wriggle room.

The right to say nothing is one of the most underexercised rights in the country... if you really want to you can do the search for the guy up north who walked around town with a gun strapped to his hip (his state allows open carry) and when the cops show up he calmly and polietly says that he does not want to talk to them and that he does not wish to identify himself.

Any time I get pulled over and I am reasonably sure that I am getting a ticket I tell all my passengers not to identify themselves and not to provide ID. It wastes the cops time, frustrates the hell out of them and usually pisses them off enough to make a substantive error on the ticket that I take to the judge and say this is not what happened. Am I advocating wasting police time? No of course not, but I am exercising my rights. Also I feel that most traffic laws are arcane and arbitrary and that in those cases a little civil disobedience is called for (if you have never ever sped feel free to contradict me).

So does it work? Yes... I got ticket for speeding in a BMW last year, told my wife not to ID herself cop got flustered and called in backup and I got the ticket... I contacted the prosecutor, showed him that I did not own a BMW and that the registration number for the car and the insurance I had provided were for my G8... told him that it might look silly for her only witness, someone charged with operating a computer controlled radar to be someone who apparently could not read two letter acronyms and she dropped the charges. The fact that I had an affidavidt from the TDOT that sayed that they replaced the speed limit sign the next monday because it had been knocked over a while before hand probably helped too.

If you exercise your rights, you may loose them. If you do not, you will.

Oh and zero props to campus cops, I do not care what the state says, they are, in my experience they are almost all wannabes who washed out from the military or state posts (no disrespect to those of you who made this a career CHOICE). The units almost all simply exist to make money for the schools from traffic infractions. Any real crimes are referred to the real police who's jurisdiction surrounds envelops and includes the campus police's

Sorry for the rant and sorry to sound like a dick, but I have the utmost respect for the thin blue line and their recent ever increasing misuse as tax collectors is pissing me clean the hell off.

As said before if you have committed a traffic infraction you must identify yourself. If not you will likely find yourself in jail. As to whether or not the passengers would be required to ID themselves, it actually depends on the type of traffic stop. One example would be if the passenger was not wearing a seatbelt when required. Another example would be if there is probable cause to search the car. In Maryland you could be arrested for obstructing and hindering if you fail to provide your information.

Not all campus police are washouts. Many of the larger schools have full service agencies with sworn officers. They handle all their calls and rarely require assistance from the surrounding agency. I would agree that campus "security" are possibly wannabes.

Open carry of a firearm is a whole other issue. Anyone who open carries is a moron. You make yourself a target and will likely be detained by police.

My suggestion, instead of trying to irritate the police because it's your "right", give them a little courtesy. Turn your interior light and roll down those dark tinted windows. Keep your hands where they can see them. I guarantee if you give them your attitude you will be signing citations on every stop. Or worse turning a normal traffic stop into a criminal record...