ITBFST On The Dyno!

[GRRRR8]

At last, at last! I have a VIDEO and a DYNO sheet. I am happy with it for now and the tuning will intensify for sure. 12.4 A/F, no KR at all. When you read the dyno sheet feel free to factor in the 3600 stall. :devil: Thanks ICON Motorsports!

8n9eDQ6sUyo

[PerfectD3]

Very nice, did the shop do the tuning or did you?

[GRRRR8]

Very nice, did the shop do the tuning or did you?

All that has been tuned partially is the MAF, by me and the base tune Kirk gave me. It has more.....ALOT more.

[MANOFSTEEL69]

All that has been tuned partially is the MAF and the base tune Kirk gave me. It has more.....ALOT more.

Then get out there and find it! :nah:

[GRRRR8]

Making a MAF table and timing table right now. :) I am sure it can get over 460 RWHP. Then factor the converter and thats about 485. Well over 500 at the crank. How do you like how fast that beast revs! :devil:

[Mike P]

Charlie:

When are you taking it to the track? I want to see what times you lay down.



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[It's A G8!]

I was there am that thing sounds sick!! I think that's the only time you'll see Charlie in the passenger seat.

[GM_Fan]

Those are very respectable numbers for the 1st time at the dyno.



I thought the TQ would be higher as well.

[foreosu]

Picture / vid doesn't work for me. Just a blank white space. What were the numbers?

[GRRRR8]

With a 12.4 A/F that is some lost TQ. It needs timing too. I will also raise the limiter to 6900 for the next pull to see what it makes up top.

[GRRRR8]

picture / vid doesn't work for me. Just a blank white space. What were the numbers?

422.97/379.53
431.66/381.76
429.78/384.31

[foreosu]

Very respectable!

[GRRRR8]

More #s coming soon!

[Devilish34]

Nice I know the converter eats up those numbers but I was still hoping for closer to 500. :nah:

Do you know when you will have the tune closer to a complete tune?? And when are you getting it on the track?

[norm8332]

Very Nice. Man, that converter is stalling really high.

[GRRRR8]

Its about 455-460 now when you factor the converter. At least another 20+ in the tune. A few dips here and there and 1 big one indicate that there is much more HP lurking. I may go next weekend.

[PostalCherokee]

ITBFST seems to be proving itself a stubborn car to tune, lol. Looking forward to the final #'s once it's all dialed in and some track times, good luck Charlie.

[Devilish34]

Its about 455-460 now when you factor the converter. At least another 20+ in the tune. A few dips here and there and 1 big one indicate that there is much more HP lurking. I may go next weekend.

Man your dragggging this out to make is suspenseful

[GRRRR8]

ITBFST seems to be proving itself a stubborn car to tune, lol. Looking forward to the final #'s once it's all dialed in and some track times, good luck Charlie.

Not really. I just never have time to do it. I will say I am feeling a bit motivated now. :)

['02 ws6]

At least you have a general idea of what a solid tune will net, pretty nice numbers, esp w/ 3600 stall! Definitely some left on the table, it's aggrevating knowing there's so much more potential but not enough time, I'm in that boat w/ my TA.

[GRRRR8]

I really think after reading and studying the tune this afternoon I can get 20 more hp and then go back and get close to that on the dyno. Lots of gaps in areas and the MAF has a ways to go. I guessed over 550 at the crank when I made the call to Kirk and it looks like it will be on target. I just got to get to 465+ and I am in there!

[edmanet]

Not bad.

[z51l9889]

Very nice pulls, especially considering the high stall. That thing should be incredible on the track.

[G8GT721]

nice numbers and when it revs up it sounds awesome

[Featherburner]

Sounds and looks great, Charlie. When I first saw the rims I thought...eh, but they seem to be growing on me.

[Darkside]

Congrats on getting her close to where you want it (for now).

Don't get caught up in the whole converter robbing HP issue. Kirk tested my setup before and after stall install with the initial tune. My converter only cost 1HP and 3lbs torque. I expected it to cost much more.

[GRRRR8]

Congrats on getting her close to where you want it (for now).

Don't get caught up in the whole converter robbing HP issue. Kirk tested my setup before and after stall install with the initial tune. My converter only cost 1HP and 3lbs torque. I expected it to cost much more.

Did he lock it manually while on the dyno? I read that if its locked there isnt much of a loss.

[R.Penguin]

At last, at last! I have a VIDEO and a DYNO sheet. I am happy with it for now and the tuning will intensify for sure. 12.4 A/F, no KR at all. When you read the dyno sheet feel free to factor in the 3600 stall. :devil:

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Nice numbers indeed kimosabe!

It was good to see that they practiced safe dynoing there. I see they had ITBFST chained off so nobody would be close to flying shrapnel. :poof:

Nonetheless, I noticed several of the spectators ducking for cover! :rofl:

I'm just happy to live too far away for you to race me. That's wicked sick!

[GRRRR8]

I used 2 Penguins to block the tires in the front too. :nah:

[R.Penguin]

I used 2 Penguins to block the tires in the front too. :nah:
I saw that. Uncle Fred and cousin Arlo need to find better jobs! :p

[norm8332]

I think the track testing is where it's really at. With the stall that high your dyno #s will always be off IMO. I'm not an expert but on the chart it seems to be stalling after the peak torque rpm.

[Blown396]

Where's da video? Me can no see :(

[GRRRR8]

Where's da video? Me can no see :(

Very 1st post. I just checked it and it works.

[UGotSmkd]

At last, at last! I have a VIDEO and a DYNO sheet. I am happy with it for now and the tuning will intensify for sure. 12.4 A/F, no KR at all. When you read the dyno sheet feel free to factor in the 3600 stall. :devil:

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Woops. Looks like I jumped in front of the camera after the last pull. I'm on YouTube, LOL. I had to get a closer look at the readout. My eyes aren't the best.

[GRRRR8]

Woops. Looks like I jumped in front of the camera after the last run. I'm on YouTube, LOL.

I will have to get your autograph being your famous now. :)

[DRCUSTOMPARTS]

That was impressive, I never saw a car rev so quick on the dyno. And to think you might get even more power out of it, that's definitely an awesome car Charlie!

[GRRRR8]

That was impressive, I never saw a car rev so quick on the dyno. And to think you might get even more power out of it, that's definitely an awesome car Charlie!

Thanks. I call it going from zero to hero with the quickness! :)

[Blown396]

Very 1st post. I just checked it and it works.

Thanks, for some reason I couldnt see it on my apple Itouch. Youre car is freakin wicked! :devil:

[GRRRR8]

Thanks, for some reason I couldnt see it on my apple Itouch. Youre car is freakin wicked! :devil:

Its just my going to church family car. :surprise:

['02 ws6]

How sacrilegious of you to take the family to church in Satan's Chariot! :)

[Mike@NewEra]

That is a good number for that converter, and honest. Note that I made 400 rwhp with a 3200 and ran 11.9 with a stock weight wheel. Were the pulls done in 3rd or fourth gear? It would have to be tuned pretty bad to pick up 20 rwhp in my opinion, the difference between 12.4 and 12.9 is only a few hp, not 20, just go to the track, NOT A DASHHAWK! Timeslips at the track should net you an 11.5-11.6 with some practice depending D/A, just my opinion anyway. Sounds like a beast, go have some fun with it now!

[-Ray-]

Its just my going to church family car. :surprise:

Satan's Chariot? Funny.
Congrats on the runs and getting out there with the guys.

[GRRRR8]

That is a good number for that converter, and honest. Note that I made 400 rwhp with a 3200 and ran 11.9 with a stock weight wheel. Were the pulls done in 3rd or fourth gear? It would have to be tuned pretty bad to pick up 20 rwhp in my opinion, the difference between 12.4 and 12.9 is only a few hp, not 20, just go to the track, NOT A DASHHAWK! Timeslips at the track should net you an 11.5-11.6 with some practice depending D/A, just my opinion anyway. Sounds like a beast, go have some fun with it now!

I agree except for when you drive it. Its a beast, but there are some lazy spots in it and the converter just seems to pull through it. I will be doing some street logging this week as there was not sufficient air for the Vararam to be efficient.

[Steve@Vectormotorsports]

Did he lock it manually while on the dyno? I read that if its locked there isnt much of a loss.

No sir

[99-LS1-SS]

Sounds really good Charlie! I bet it's loud as hell.

[GRRRR8]

No sir

Still doesnt answer the question of why most say there is a loss of 20+ with a stall. As an example: On certain vechiles in the past you had a switch you could install and manually lock the converter and pick up a few tenths. If you are picking up a few tenths locking it then its the same on the dyno.

[GRRRR8]

Satan's Chariot? Funny.
Congrats on the runs and getting out there with the guys.

Wish you and George could have been there. Gary made up for both of you with his constant humor! :boxing:

[GRRRR8]

nice numbers and when it revs up it sounds awesome

I watch it just to here that sound! :woohoo:

[GeorgeInNePa]

Wish you and George could have been there. Gary made up for both of you with his constant humor! :boxing:

That wouldn't be good...



lol

[GRRRR8]

That wouldn't be good...



lol

So we may have been staggering a little bit and not really have gave a shit about our #s. :drunk2: :drunk: :stretcher:

[Mike P]

So we may have been staggering a little bit and not really have gave a shit about our #s. :drunk2: :drunk: :stretcher:


Hey, I totally wanna drink beers too!.... :)



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[GRRRR8]

From cams to tires to BEERS now Mike. lol I wish I lived closer to some of you.

[The Commodore]

That beast revs fast!!! Even tought the power is not up to what you want yet. You must get to that power very quick with that high revving V8.

[JimmyJazz]

Back to a locked or unlocked converter. I thought this tranny locked the converter when in the Sport and Manual mode?

[99-LS1-SS]

Back to a locked or unlocked converter. I thought this tranny locked the converter when in the Sport and Manual mode?

It is locked into a specific gear but the converter isn't lock.

[GRRRR8]

That beast revs fast!!! Even tought the power is not up to what you want yet. You must get to that power very quick with that high revving V8.

It will end up 460-470 RWHP is my guess. All I care about is 11.50 or faster.




Back to a locked or unlocked converter. I thought this tranny locked the converter when in the Sport and Manual mode?

No. The converter wasnt locked. It was in M3 for the pull.

[DRCUSTOMPARTS]

I thought the converter locked in third or did you change that.

[BigV8]

That car is awesome! How long do you think it will last bumping the rpm? Damn got to get to Livernois.

[GRRRR8]

Its at 6900 now and seems to really like it. Doing somemore "tweaks'" tonight. No, not locked in 3rd gear while logging.

[GRRRR8]

Sounds really good Charlie! I bet it's loud as hell.

Not as bad as you would think. Mean as hell for sure!

[GRRRR8]

Did some logs tonight and worked on some launch rpms. The car is a monster, but still have a few areas in the top of 3rd and 4th where it lays down a little. I saw Roy from ICON while I was parked reading a file. I gave an exhibition of acceleration for him so he could see it in action. I hope he saw it lay down as it is pretty obvious. Weird how its 3rd and 4th, but not 1st and 2nd. Just something else to figure out.

[DRCUSTOMPARTS]

Charlie it's because you don't have a strut brace, lol

Seriously though (and this is a wild guess) but it might have something to do with the torque converter locking up and putting a load on the motor.

[GRRRR8]

LOL! I thought about that and it does it then stops and then does it again and stops. Feels like a bog for a split second and then goes back to normal.

[edmanet]

LOL! I thought about that and it does it then stops and then does it again and stops. Feels like a bog for a split second and then goes back to normal.


My car did that at the track. Since it was my first time at the track in about 15 yrs I wasn't worried about holding it in 3rd gear. I was just trying to get down the track w/o hitting anything.

[G8GT721]

My car did that at the track. Since it was my first time at the track in about 15 yrs I wasn't worried about holding it in 3rd gear. I was just trying to get down the track w/o hitting anything.

thats my goal

[GRRRR8]

My car did that at the track. Since it was my first time at the track in about 15 yrs I wasn't worried about holding it in 3rd gear. I was just trying to get down the track w/o hitting anything.


I would think that you will be in 4th gear now going through the traps.

[09gtt]

my car was on the dyno and it was doing strange things also then my tuner realized it was locking at 98 mph which was making the car do weird things. I dont know if this has any importance i just wanted to throw it out there. 123 gear are set to lock at 318 and 4th was 98. He didnt have time to take it out on the street so he didnt want to change it.

[jbradsh1]

Charlie, the way your car grabbed the revs on that dyno was something else. I think your car is not only putting out more power than the dyno is showing but more torque as well. I mean that dyno run lasted about 1 sec. from the point it was given full throttle to end. Impressive. I can't wait to see how you get it to run at the track. You may have a very pleasant surprise waiting for you.

[Devilish34]

Are you still looking at a Mothers Day run??

[GRRRR8]

Are you still looking at a Mothers Day run??

Doubtful and it was nice talking to you yoday.

[Devilish34]

Doubtful and it was nice talking to you yoday.

Same thanks for your time and the laughs...I drove my G8 to a gathering about 40 mins away and she acted fine...so I'm thinking it was deff track conditions.

[jbradsh1]

I would think that you will be in 4th gear now going through the traps.

I still hold mine in 3rd gear through the traps. It's turning 6700 rpm @ 115+ mph with my 3/4 worn Goodyear a/s tires. Any faster and I'll let it shift into 4th I guess. :)

[GRRRR8]

I still hold mine in 3rd gear through the traps. It's turning 6700 rpm @ 115+ mph with my 3/4 worn Goodyear a/s tires. Any faster and I'll let it shift into 4th I guess. :)

I have a feeling that I will be changing gears as it will need to be in 4th and the rpms willl be too low effecting ET. Time will tell. I am going to take it out in a little while to circulate the fluids. :)

[jbradsh1]

I have a feeling that I will be changing gears as it will need to be in 4th and the rpms willl be too low effecting ET. Time will tell. I am going to take it out in a little while to circulate the fluids. :)

By "circulating the fluids" I take it you mean ... either find someone to race or just stretch it's legs. :)

[MANOFSTEEL69]

I would think that you will be in 4th gear now going through the traps.
I can hold mine to a 120 in 3rd...with a 7000 rpm redline.
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[jbradsh1]

I know Kirk @VMS has mentioned that the stock rod bolts are good to about 6800 rpm so I thought I'd play it "safe".

[GRRRR8]

I can hold mine to a 120 in 3rd...with a 7000 rpm redline.
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I dont know if thats a good thing. If you only make power to 64-6500 it doesnt make sense to push it that high knowing the stock bottom end is only going to take so much. I an guessing I will be shifting around 6800, so if I am no where near the finish line and its past 6800........taller tire and 3.70 gears will be next.

[Devilish34]

Why don't you try the 3.45s first and if you don't like em give em to me as a birthday present.... FYI July 2nd

[GeorgeInNePa]

Why don't you try the 3.45s first and if you don't like em give em to me as a birthday present.... FYI July 2nd

Too late, mine's July 1st.

[Devilish34]

That just means you are older.... I think lol
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[GeorgeInNePa]

That just means you are older.... I think lol
BlackBerry8330/4.3.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/105

I'll be 39.

I feel older.

lol

[Devilish34]

I'll be 39.

I feel older.

lol

1 day older.........I forgot I'll be 39 this year :(

[GRRRR8]

Youngsters. I remember back in the day when I was 39. lol

[Devilish34]

Youngsters. I remember back in the day when I was 39. lol


Who here is older than you??? Ray and the Bird?? :p

[GRRRR8]

LOL! Just barely........only because I feel old! I do believe we have a lot of members that are 50+ and I really think that is cool. It shows me I will still be outta control in 10 years. :)

[Devilish34]

I only feel old when I stand up

[edmanet]

Who here is older than you??? Ray and the Bird?? :p

Dude I'm 49.

[GRRRR8]

Dude I'm 49.

49 and he said "Dude" :)

[bobyoung]

I'm 56 you young whippersnappers! Don't forget respect your elders.:nah:

[ULOSE]

49 and he said "Dude" :)

At least he didn't say whippersnapper or sunny.

Wait a second

I'm 56 you young whippersnappers! Don't forget respect your elders

[G8GXP4now]

I know Kirk @VMS has mentioned that the stock rod bolts are good to about 6800 rpm so I thought I'd play it "safe".


Any idea what rpm the stock LS3 rod bolts are good thru?

[GRRRR8]

I would say 6800 should be fine. If it was a race only car I would change them, but for a DD your OK. Anything can break....

[G8GXP4now]

so LS3 and L76 have the same rod bolts? With a stock rev limiter of 6600 , I'd think there be more cushion before anything happened.

[GRRRR8]

They "probably" would go 72-7500......not for long though. 6800 is a safe factor.

[Devilish34]

When is it be all show going to the track???????? :finger:

[G8GT721]

are you calling ITBFST a garage queen :qf:

[Devilish34]

are you calling ITBFST a garage queen :qf:

More like that girl we all knew in high school that was a dick tease.

[G8GT721]

^^^^lol the whole forum has a case of blue balls

[Devilish34]

in this case red

[G8GT721]

in this case red

lmao, that cant be good

[GRRRR8]

LOL! Does someone want a taste? :)

[G8GT721]

yes, 2,107 members do!

[GRRRR8]

yes, 2,107 members do!

LMAO! Ok Ok I get it. I was going to go this past weekend but HRP was brackets and Midnight 1320 I didnt have DRs to run in the correct class. Well they were not mounted on any rims anyways.

[Devilish34]

LMAO! Ok Ok I get it. I was going to go this past weekend but HRP was brackets and Midnight 1320 I didnt have DRs to run in the correct class. Well they were not mounted on any rims anyways.


yawn

[DRCUSTOMPARTS]

:whistle: :hmm: :sleeping:

[locrzn#92]

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