All Season Tire Help

[PantherGT]

Alright, the time has finally come. It's time I replace my stock tires on my GT sport. I'm tired of swapping to my winter wheels every winter, primarily cuz they have developed a slow leak that is making me angry. I'm looking for a good all season tire that won't increase interior road noise or anything like that as well as keep the lower profile look of the stockers on the 19's.
Anyone have any good luck with a certain all season tire that they would recommend? Thanks in advance all!

[WhatNext]

The Continental DWS have the best winter grip in an all season but have a soft side wall so handling is not the crispest. Michelin Pilot sport AS3 handles like a summer tire but doesn't do well in snow.

[BuildItYourSelf]

When I get my new wheels I'm putting on michelen pilot a/s 3's there a high performance all season that out performs most summer tires.
These super sports suck in the rain and cold pavement.

[fengstang]

I have 4 contiental dws with great thread on them if your interested. Dont know what state you in tho..

[-Ray-]

I suggest you check out Tire Rack and go through tire reviews.

[SRG963]

Nitto Motivo looks good on paper....

[Zodiac]

Cooper rs3-a. Everyone I know with then love them.

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[Imalabil]

NOT Kumho 4X.
Don't get me started...

[MongosG8]

I suggest you check out Tire Rack and go through tire reviews.

I agree with Ray .. look at the reviews of the testing/warranty/ ratings etc and look at the reviews of the owners.

[BuildItYourSelf]

Use your thinker when reading them reviews.
I seen one on the Michelin cup tire. The guy said something about being surprised how well they did in the snow and rain. And how long they lasted.
Haha his car was listed as an Audi a6.

[WhatNext]

Also check the survey results which are a general view of a tires performance. But the ones with less than 500,000 mile sample size tend to get worse with more input.

The tire tests they perform are probably the best info but can't cover things like snow and rain performance.

The reviews drive me crazy because I just read one where a Mercedes driver said a tire is very noisy then the very next one a Mercedes driver says they are very quiet! It may be that the noisy report came from an old Merc and the quiet one from a new Merc. But this type of conflict in the reviews is hard to sort out and there are a lot of them.

[PantherGT]

Handling and such is not a big deal for me, I'm not gonna be autocross or anything any time soon. Just want a comfotable tire that will perform well enough with the added bonus of getting me through the snow here in Nebraska. Thanks for all the help!

[WhatNext]

For comfort, go with a grand touring tire for a quiet cushy ride. The Michelin Primacy MXV4 are top rated for that. I had a set on another car and will put a set on a Mazda3 this year because it needs that final tweek to help with noise and ride. But I am not considering them for my G8 as with the power and balance available I tend to push the G8 in the twisties and that's where a grand touring tire gives up some steering response and grip. As to snow performance they do ok for a few inches of northeast snow on a front wheel drive car.

But then the Continental DWS are high performance all seasons that have highly rated (not PR bs) snow performance but because of the tread and soft side wall, aren't as crisp handlers as the other high performance all seasons. They might be the better tire for the G8.

I just compared Tire Rack slalom and lap test data which are available for both the Michelin and Continentals I mentioned. The high performance Continental DWS are significantly faster than the grand touring Michelin MXV4s (no surprise). So unless you want the added comfort of a grand touring tire, I would point to the Continental DWS for your G8.

(Sorry for the long winded reply, but wanted to offer options and reasons why)

[usmc-nav]

Continental DWS - I put these on my G8 GT when the first set was finished. I have been happy with them.

[Slizzo]

When I get my new wheels I'm putting on michelen pilot a/s 3's there a high performance all season that out performs most summer tires.
These super sports suck in the rain and cold pavement.

Just bought these the other day. Waiting for them to come in so they can be mounted. 255/45/18.


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[Dunlin1]

I got tired of changing winter and summer tires and put the Conti DWS on my car (G8 GXP) I used them for a little over a year and have decided I'm going back to dedicated summer and winter tires.

[MNG8]

I have dedicated snow tires in the heart of the winter here in Minnesota, but I also have some Nitto Motivo's for spring summer and fall and can say I am not a huge fan. I should have stuck with summer only tires. They slip too easily when wet (50% throttle), and WOT they break loose to easily on dry pavement and I'm stock. IMO, if you're driving in a climate with snow and a hearty winter, stick with 2 sets of wheels and tires.

[PantherGT]

See, that's why I came here. I can get all sorts of reviews from people with other cars. I like getting knowledge straight from the horses mouth. Direct comparison is only to the car I drive! But in Nebraska we get sporadic weather so snow drivability is a must...

[BuildItYourSelf]

Just bought these the other day. Waiting for them to come in so they can be mounted. 255/45/18.



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Please pm me after you get some miles on them and let me know what ya think.
Km not getting wheels and tires until mid-late summer.

[Slizzo]

Please pm me after you get some miles on them and let me know what ya think.
Km not getting wheels and tires until mid-late summer.

My previous experience with Pilot Sport A/S tires was that they were amazing. Great in the dry, amazing in the wet, and not too bad in the snow. Had a set in 245/45/18 on my '99 GTP back when I had it.

There's a reason that Michelin's Pilot line of tires are as expensive as they are: it's very very hard to beat them. The Pilot Sport A/S are known to be just about as good as your average summer tire in the warmer months. Tires like the Pilot Super Sport of course will outperform it in the warmer weather, but these tires are good all the time.

[Slizzo]

My previous experience with Pilot Sport A/S tires was that they were amazing. Great in the dry, amazing in the wet, and not too bad in the snow. Had a set in 245/45/18 on my '99 GTP back when I had it.

There's a reason that Michelin's Pilot line of tires are as expensive as they are: it's very very hard to beat them. The Pilot Sport A/S are known to be just about as good as your average summer tire in the warmer months. Tires like the Pilot Super Sport of course will outperform it in the warmer weather, but these tires are good all the time.

Drove today in the snow on these new tires. They did admirably well. A little less confidence in the snow than on my Michelin X-Ice Xi2s, but still damn good for an all season. Never got stuck or unable to take off from a light, but I did fishtail with them a little (and I never do with the full snow tire).

All in all so far they are very very good tires. Much quieter than my old Goodyear Eagle RS-As as well. The 255/45/18 fits perfect on the stock rims, and doesn't bulge at all.

[BuildItYourSelf]

I fish tailed today. It was 70° and dry as can be on super sports.
Haha all I'm saying is you want solid hookup in the snow your in the wrong car.
But I can understand why you want the best traction to ease your mind in winter.
I hope you like them the more you run them. I'm looking forward to them as a all weather except snow tire when I get new wheels.

[uforacing]

For mine I went with the G-max which got a good review for an all season tire. Would I drive it in the snow? No. I have a trip or two coming where I have some ranges to cross and after seeing how a summer only tire performs in light snow no thanks.

My 06 GP has dedicated summer and winter studded snows. Having driven RWD cars most of my life I suspect that a good set of winter tires would be a good investment for a year-round G8. My GP is downright boring in snow and ice.

Living where I live going to work in the winter has no drama at all. I am a firm believer that if you live in snow country that the proper tires are the best solution. I see people all the time scared to death driving in adverse conditions.

Once the snow gets over 1'-1/2 then I do have a 98 dodge 12V with LS and lockers just in case. :thumbsup: The GP does not make a good snow plow....

[PantherGT]

In Nebraska we get 1-2 big snows a winter and some minor ones every now and then. I have some old BMW 17's that had Blizzaks mounted on them. But this year I had the passenger rear go flat with "a slow leak" 3 times and I'm done with it. I just want an all-season that will get me through the winter well enough. I think I am settling on the Pilot Sport A/S but staying away from the Z rated ones. How will this fair me?

[Slizzo]

AS/3s did well in snow for me. 1-2 inches on the ground. Still need to be aware of the fact that overall grip won't be up to the level of a dedicated snow tire but that's a given.

[PantherGT]

We get some side street crap that can get pretty deep. But I'm hoping these do alright. The Blizzaks I have are damn near unstoppable, but I can't keep worrying about the random deflation.

[PantherGT]

After reading the reviews I am now scared of the snow with the Pilots. Anyone ever tried Pirelli P7s?

[Slizzo]

After reading the reviews I am now scared of the snow with the Pilots. Anyone ever tried Pirelli P7s?

Honestly I wouldn't put too much stock in the tire rack user reviews for the tire. Most people don't know how to drive in the snow. :)

[PantherGT]

We have some months with 4-8 inches of snow. How good or bad will the Pilots do in that 2-3 times a year?

[Napalm]

on issue with tire reviews has much to do with the car they are attached too as well as driving style associated with the car they are attached to.

that said. I had amazingly good luck with Fierce Tires that are AS rated on my GT's stock 19's. my car I bought used, came with these when I bought it. I know the dealer went and got the cheapest tire they could put on that size. hence the Fierce tires which are last model year Dunlops - if the internet is to be believed.

they did amazingly well dry, wet, snow, cold - for a cheap azz tire on a car like the g8 GT.

today I have bridgestone Re760's which are not AS - why they die - soon - I will get a set of Firehawk Wide Ovals for the car, or a set of Nitto Motivos.

I am not a fan of Michelin tires in general

Also I've had great luck with Continental tires in the past and might go that route. I know however I can get product support near me with the firehawks. IE if I have one take a nail on a road trip - all I have to do is find a bridgestone/firestone dealer near me to get help. which is what sways me toward their products when getting tires for my DD cars.

[Slizzo]

We have some months with 4-8 inches of snow. How good or bad will the Pilots do in that 2-3 times a year?

Well, I can't answer that as I don't have a good answer other than that you should really be running a dedicated snow tire during the winter months anyway. But many don't think like that so there you go.

I can say that I made it through one winter on the stock RS-A tires, but inclines would give trouble, and 2nd gear starts were always necessary. With the one experience I had with the A/S3s, I only had to 2nd gear start a couple times.

[WhatNext]

Have been driving in upstate NY for 37 yrs, for more than 3-4 inches of snow on the road and rwd you better have real snow tires.

[PantherGT]

Well, I can't answer that as I don't have a good answer other than that you should really be running a dedicated snow tire during the winter months anyway. But many don't think like that so there you go.

I can say that I made it through one winter on the stock RS-A tires, but inclines would give trouble, and 2nd gear starts were always necessary. With the one experience I had with the A/S3s, I only had to 2nd gear start a couple times.

So you're sayin there's a chance?!?! Haha This is a hard decision! Indecisive by nature mixed with options is a bad life for me! It's between the Pilot A/S3s and the Pirelli Cinturato P7s. Latter has good ratings all around and great reviews. Pilots have low deep snow rating, but killer everywhere else. I'm gonna hold onto my Blizzaks just in case I HAVE to deal with the potential of a leak that may infuriate me beyond belief (don't wanna deal with it again), but I need new tires on the 19s to potentially make it through a winter that is 40% snow on the ground 60% clear roads.

[Slizzo]

A/S3 should get you around then with that "small" of a chance of snow. But the Blizzaks should go on during winter months anyway. :)

[AVIDMOTION]

I know I am late to the party..,but in YOUR case dedicated snows or the conti dws. The conti is very very good in snow and excellent overall. I have the michelins a/s3 and they ok to 2-3 inches and will get you home, but I would not bet on them overall. I didn't like how fast they were wearing down for the price and thought on my car they not as good as the general gmax overall which are cheaper and better in both rain and dry traction. I got the michelins on the front now and general gmax on the rear, would not buy the michelins again......nj weather

[astynx]

I replaced original Bridgestone tires ( Potenza 055?) with Bridgestone Potenza RE97as. It is a "grand touring " all -season tire. Bridgestone Potenza RE970as is a "high -performance" all season tire. I wanted to have tires for cold weather. The RE97as 's seem to be be quiet riding.

[AVIDMOTION]

Update.....the Michelin pilot sports a/s3 are OK overpriced overhyped tires. Very dissatisfied. Regulated to front tire duty only. OK in summmer, OK in rain, sucked in snow and terrible overall in cold weather. I tried several different psi in the tires with best traction at 34-36 psi. Would never buy these again. Will purchase another rear set of general g max in stock size, my third set and love them, great in rain cold summer everything BUT SNOW, minimal though safe in 1-2 inches 3 max of snow. The Michelin makes a great expensive front tire!!

[WhatNext]

I am aware of the no-snow performance of the AS3s. Can you elaborate on the lack of cold weather performance?

Looking to buy a set of 3 season tires in the spring.

[AVIDMOTION]

The best overall tire I have found that is inexpensive n easy to find is the General G MAX AS-03. Great in everything but over 3 inches snow. Exceptional in rain and summer dry. Also excellent with a great following among newer mustang gt owners is the Cooper Zeon. RS3-A, the A is all season the S is summer, both are great. The A is said to be very good in up to 3 inches snow. The Michelin pilot sports A S3 , on my car break loose anytime more then half throttle below 40 degrees! Out of control when it hits 2nd gear. They are not even good in dry in summer. I would never buy them again. Even the Goodyear eagle gt were better for traction in the cold. I think even a stock g8 would have winter traction problems with the Michelins. I have nothing good to say about them. Treadwear of 500 and even on the front I just may get only 20,000 out of them...

[BuildItYourSelf]

The a/s 3's are a performance "all season" tire.
Much like any other performance tire they are not ment to be cold. The pilot super sports sucker cold but when there good and warm and on dry pavement look out. And also much like other performance tires the tread wear isn't going to be very long.
I have read plenty of reviews on websites and in magazines saying they would put the a/s 3's up agenst most top end summer tires one a warm dry track. But unlike most top end summer tire the a/s 3's will kinda work in the little bit of snow there designed to work in. Not like the time I moved my car with super sports from one door to the other and as soon as it hit the snow it slid down the little bit of the hill and I went for the shovel and cinders to get her back in out of the cold. I would imagine the a/s 3's would have pulled that off.
Just my 2¢

[Slizzo]

The a/s 3's are a performance "all season" tire.
Much like any other performance tire they are not ment to be cold. The pilot super sports sucker cold but when there good and warm and on dry pavement look out. And also much like other performance tires the tread wear isn't going to be very long.
I have read plenty of reviews on websites and in magazines saying they would put the a/s 3's up agenst most top end summer tires one a warm dry track. But unlike most top end summer tire the a/s 3's will kinda work in the little bit of snow there designed to work in. Not like the time I moved my car with super sports from one door to the other and as soon as it hit the snow it slid down the little bit of the hill and I went for the shovel and cinders to get her back in out of the cold. I would imagine the a/s 3's would have pulled that off.
Just my 2¢

His experience and mine are completely different with the A/S3 when I still had my G8. My power mods weren't too terribly different than his, I had 1 3/4" headers with my own custom tune and I had no issues in the snow with them. I had to drive careful, like anyone without a full set of winter tires on (it was april, so it was past the time I had put the all seasons on) but that's to be understood.

I had similar experience with the original PS A/S when I had them on my '99 GTP. I had to be careful in the snow, but I never got stuck anywhere.



They were expensive, sure, but to think that ANY tire wouldn't get loose in adverse conditions with as much throttle as he was giving it is just plain silly.

[BuildItYourSelf]

Also if his unnecessary long signature is accurate he has stock HP. (I hope it's more then that with his mods.) one should be able to tip toe around in the snow with a half decent All season tire. Even people here run the ps2's all year and say there manageable. It's all in how ya peddle it.
But in the end it's a heavy rwd car. Every tire is going to require a snow approach driving style.

[AVIDMOTION]

My experience with the Michelins is varied. I avoid driving in the snow. The michelins were ok to poor tip toeing around in 2-3 inches of snot. They were a little better if you lower the psi on them, the gmax were better. If in dry snow both were acceptable, wet and or icey the michelins not so much. My beef with them is not in the snow, most all tires i ve had dont do well in snow, on this car. I feel their overall performance in the cold is unacceptable and summer performance not nearly as good as other tires like the cheaper gmax. I usually run summer tires in the summer, except this year. I drove on them 2 months in the summer in Naples florida. I know what hot is and when my tires are heated up. The Michelins did not stock up to the gmax in dry traction, equal if anything. The gmax was superior in the daily monsoon like rains. And I could watch my tires tread depth dissappear weekly just from my aggressive driving style with the ps3. In NJ in the cold (anything 45 or less) the Michelins if you don't drive on them 15 minutes you can't go wot. Even heated up a holeshot would go sideways when it hit 2nd. I can with the gmax anytime within reason. The object is to go not spin so I don't go crazy. Also my mods and hp value is rwhp. I have a vortec tune and my car is exceptionally instantaneous on throttle response. People have problems driving my car. Maybe if I baby it with Michelins they would stick, but I rather use the cheaper gmax I can count on. Yes I can roast them to the cords too but I have a perfect 0-60 set up for the street here in NJ and decent tires like the gmax or cooper's I can scoot along right at the limits of adhesion and never loose out of the hole, here on nj roads. There are much better tires and street able cheater slicks I could get but it is a DD, I am retired on a budget and if it stuck any better I would start breaking things. I already twisted off a drive shaft with gmax tires on. Other people's milage may vary, that's my story and I am sticking to it, if all else fails blame the OP.

[WhatNext]

Good input, now I understand your dissatisfaction with the AS3-s. I did read elsewhere about noticeable wear when beating on them.