ARH Install [Archive] - GRRRR8.net

Chewy

08-19-2008, 08:50 AM

I have the Drivers side on in 1 hr and 5 min with 3 cigarettes and talking! LOL

You do know that cigarette smoking causes 87 percent of lung cancer deaths. It is also responsible for many other cancers and health problems.

Just thought you should know.... :nutkick:

lol

The other side should take a half hour then right?:whistle:

-Ray-

08-19-2008, 09:52 AM

I knew he couldn't wait. Me having my headers on was killing him. ;)

Steve

08-19-2008, 09:58 AM

probably, because I know you guys all having headers is killing me! haha

-Ray-

08-19-2008, 10:23 AM

I noticed he did the easy side 1st too. LOL

GRRRR8

08-19-2008, 10:38 AM

More tips for header install, I know you will love me for these. If you havent done the hoses you will have a bit more room. 1. Do Not completely try and remove dipstick. Take bolt out for DS and pull up, leave it alone. You leave the rear spark plug in on pass. side. Lower cats and manifolds out bottom, bolts on top, parts on bottom. Once manifold is out take out tube. All dipsticks usually take a little massaging for install. I will know in a minute. Now it has been 2hrs and 20 min (had to stop to work! What kind of shit is that!) Both headers and X and all 4 02s are in. Need to torque headers, 7plugs and 8 wires and then I am starting it open X!

Chewy

08-19-2008, 11:37 AM

You done yet?

Come on! :spank:

SRG963

08-19-2008, 11:53 AM

:TTIWWP::deadhorse::oops::watch:

GeorgeInNePa

08-19-2008, 11:59 AM

I knew he couldn't wait. Me having my headers on was killing him. ;)

Mine go on Thursday, so he got me by 2 days.

Of course, my converter goes in then also, so there's a win!:pee:

GeorgeInNePa

08-19-2008, 12:40 PM

Ok, it's been hours...

Either he's stuck under the car, or he's done and tearing around Texas in a louder G8.

;)

wreckwriter

08-19-2008, 12:41 PM

Ok, it's been hours...

Either he's stuck under the car, or he's done and tearing around Texas in a louder G8.

;)

I'm guessing B.

-Ray-

08-19-2008, 01:00 PM

I can't wait to hear the rest of his story. :D

ProStreet

08-19-2008, 02:21 PM

Where are the pictures?
:repair:

GRRRR8

08-19-2008, 03:19 PM

Damn! Nobody has the patience of the GRRRR8 1. LOL After I made that post, both owners showed up, Delay 1, then when we get done there is 6 cars to be done. It was right at 4 hrs. I didnt get a chance to take the rest of the pics, but I will post what I did take tonite. Impression: I told you the tricks already. EXTREMELY quiet with stock muffs. Almost 0 diff at idle and cruise. WOT sounds good, but aint gonna get it. Power, 1st standing start tire smoking launch I ever did. I did try to, but not expecting that! Mid range and top end it never stops pulling. I do have 1 pipe on right side that on shifts makes a tiny noise and I will adjust tomorrow. Great Job ARH!!

GRRRR8

08-19-2008, 06:07 PM

The wife drove it and agrees it is too quiet! Likes the new power but wants a more aggresive sound. ME TOO!

GRRRR8

08-19-2008, 06:17 PM

Header Install Pics:

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Steve

08-19-2008, 07:43 PM

The wife drove it and agrees it is too quiet! Likes the new power but wants a more aggresive sound. ME TOO!
Cool sounds like i'll be using my Stolen Fox Axlebacks if I ever get these headers! Did you weld in any extra 'connectors' (whatever they're called) for like A/F sensors when dynoing etc?
I also heard people getting a check engine light because the o2 sensors being off or something??

GRRRR8

08-19-2008, 07:46 PM

No, they didnt put the bungs in I asked for, but I can just use the rear one.

-Ray-

08-20-2008, 05:44 AM

Nice job Charlie.

Steve, I have no codes since I installed mine.

GRRRR8

08-20-2008, 06:25 AM

No light or codes!

jnak

08-20-2008, 06:40 AM

So is this a difficult install? I'm assuming you would need a lift to do this on your own? Anyone know a good divorce lawyer? I'll need one if I end up buying these.

Looks awesome BTW.

GRRRR8

08-20-2008, 06:55 AM

It could be done on the ground, but I would do it on a lift. 4-5 hours max.

-Ray-

08-20-2008, 09:08 AM

So is this a difficult install? I'm assuming you would need a lift to do this on your own? Anyone know a good divorce lawyer? I'll need one if I end up buying these.

Looks awesome BTW.

Don't tell her. She won't notice. I'm sure you know how to cook the books. :D

G8GTlawride

08-20-2008, 10:08 AM

I have the Drivers side on in 1 hr and 5 min with 3 cigarettes and talking! LOL

Just got off the phone with ARH. New headers (1 3/4) ship Thursday.
Did you have a lift to install or on the ground with stands?

How long did it take for shipping on yours?

Chewy

08-20-2008, 10:11 AM

Just got off the phone with ARH. New headers (1 3/4) ship Thursday.
Did you have a lift to install or on the ground with stands?

How long did it take for shipping on yours?

Did you look at his pics Stuart? ;)

G8GTlawride

08-20-2008, 10:13 AM

Did you look at his pics Stuart? ;)
Not till after I wrote this...disregard!

GeorgeInNePa

08-20-2008, 02:12 PM

Don't tell her. She won't notice. I'm sure you know how to cook the books. :D

You know, I see this all the time on the various gun boards I'm on.

I makes me wonder, is everyones wife that much of a PITA?

;)

Seriously, either I'm lucky, or everyone else is really unlucky. Mine doesn't even bat an eye when I tell her I'm buying something for the car.

GRRRR8

08-20-2008, 02:22 PM

Same here. I think she realizes it wouldnt do any good anyways! Now I was surprised when she said it needs to be louder yesterday. I wish I could get some SFs.......

-Ray-

08-20-2008, 02:30 PM

You know, I see this all the time on the various gun boards I'm on.

I makes me wonder, is everyones wife that much of a PITA?

;)

Seriously, either I'm lucky, or everyone else is really unlucky. Mine doesn't even bat an eye when I tell her I'm buying something for the car.

My wife likes to protest and make faces, but she knows she powerless to stop it. LOL
I do try and sell it to her first though, at least she gets that respect.

jnak

08-20-2008, 02:31 PM

You know, I see this all the time on the various gun boards I'm on.

I makes me wonder, is everyones wife that much of a PITA?

;)

Seriously, either I'm lucky, or everyone else is really unlucky. Mine doesn't even bat an eye when I tell her I'm buying something for the car.

I'm not married yet...soon though. I'm supposed to be saving money for wedding stuff.

-Ray-

08-20-2008, 02:32 PM

LOL, you're screwed.

BTW, I say that as I'm washing the dishes and she's out with her girl friend having dinner. Alleged girl friend. :)

GRRRR8

08-20-2008, 02:44 PM

My wife likes to protest and make faces, but she knows she powerless to stop it. LOL
I do try and sell it to her first though, at least she gets that respect.

I always sell it Wendy, "Guess what I did to the car today!" or I was thinking about doing this and she says do whatever you want it doesnt matter what I say anyways. lol

Steve

08-20-2008, 03:36 PM

Yes - SERIOUS PITA.. if she knew what I did to the car I'd be DEAD right now.. Sounds like you got a keeper ;)

You know, I see this all the time on the various gun boards I'm on.

I makes me wonder, is everyones wife that much of a PITA?

;)

Seriously, either I'm lucky, or everyone else is really unlucky. Mine doesn't even bat an eye when I tell her I'm buying something for the car.

EcoBrick Bob

08-20-2008, 04:21 PM

KEY TO A GOOD WIFE!

Make sure they are not " HIGH MAINTENANCE BABES!!!!"

However...

Some of it is luck... My wife, Wendy, still looks great, does her own nails etc.,
still has blonde hair - w/o color ( her mom was 82 when she died and no grey)

HER ONLY PROBLEM - 40 years with ME!

Occasionally there is the complaint that----- "If we had all the money you have put into cars.... we would be on the BEACH!"/////////

Never did get my Ferrari....

ROB:spc:

wreckwriter

08-20-2008, 04:24 PM

Seriously, either I'm lucky, or everyone else is really unlucky. Mine doesn't even bat an eye when I tell her I'm buying something for the car.

Mine is the same George, no arguments at all. She wants the car to be fast but I think she's a bit scared I'll kill myself in it.

PostalCherokee

08-20-2008, 05:55 PM

No wife to nag me about spending money on the car, just have an ex-wife that gets most of my "extra" money so I can't afford to mod right now anyway!:jerry:

Featherburner

08-20-2008, 06:04 PM

The wife and I have an agreement. My overtime is my mod money. The more I work, the more I play.

GeorgeInNePa

08-20-2008, 06:51 PM

Mine is the same George, no arguments at all. She wants the car to be fast but I think she's a bit scared I'll kill myself in it.

With the insurance that is on me, she'd make it ok. It would pay off the house and fund the kids college funds.

Hey, wait a minute...

;)

G8GTlawride

08-20-2008, 08:49 PM

G8GTlawride

08-20-2008, 09:00 PM

GeorgeInNePa

08-20-2008, 09:57 PM

My ARH, 1 3/4", are on the way with shipping on Thusday (Fed EX). Glad their stainless with the storm stalled over my house at least they won't rust! Seriously (while watching the rain pour into my kitchen), is the install that much of a hassle from the floor on these cars? I have no lift, just jacks, but have done a ton of headers in the past.

Honestly, if I wasn't doing a converter, I'd have done the headers myself. A jack, 4 jackstands and a socket set. 3 or so hours and you'll be done.

I just didn't want to have to wrestle with the trans on my back. I've done that FAR too many times. Doing the "oh man, I think it's slipping off the jack", nah, too old for that crap.

One time in particular stands out. Maple Grove, Pa., one of the NHRA events around '90 or '91. Laying, on my back, in the mud, bench-pressing a broken Turbo350 out of my old mans' L/SA Cutlass. With Dextron dripping in my hair, thinking to myself, "this is fun?".

F-that!

GRRRR8

08-21-2008, 04:15 AM

Been there done that! No lift, no Chuckie underneath it! Too many burns, strained muscles etc through the years for me. No more Rambo automotive.

G8GT594

08-21-2008, 06:19 AM

Have you been able to get your car on a dyno? Would love to see what kind of numbers you are putting down now.

GRRRR8

08-21-2008, 06:44 AM

Not Yet. A big announcement will happen sometime today and everyone will know why I waited!

wreckwriter

08-21-2008, 06:45 AM

Not Yet. A big announcement will happen sometime today and everyone will know why I waited!

Hmmmmm....

wreckwriter

08-21-2008, 06:45 AM

Wendy seems to be popular! My wife as well. No issues here until it is time to buy her a car (can you spell Mercedes?).

My ex is a Wendy.

G8GT594

08-21-2008, 06:56 AM

Not Yet. A big announcement will happen sometime today and everyone will know why I waited!

Ok sounds good to me!

G8GTlawride

09-01-2008, 06:09 AM

Completed the ARH LT header install Sunday. From start to stop, including removing the old system, it took 4 hours and 6 minutes. On the garage floor and using jack stands! Extremely nice system and everything fit like it was suppose to! My hats off to ARH!

Now, any of you entrepreneurial types considering an improved underbody brace that allows more clearence for aftermarket pipes and increased strength?

While the spacers provided by ARH work fine, would rather have a stiffer brace that serves as a driveshaft loop and gives more clearence around the pipes.

GRRRR8

09-01-2008, 08:13 AM

Congrats on the install. I imagine someone will make a way to tie in the frt and back of the car as well as incorporating a loop and brace for the mid section.

wreckwriter

09-03-2008, 07:09 AM

Charlie, what's the torque for header bolts?

GRRRR8

09-03-2008, 07:31 AM

I wouldnt exceed 35lb ft and in a few days recheck TQ. Tighten center out

wreckwriter

09-03-2008, 07:33 AM

I wouldnt exceed 35lb ft and in a few days recheck TQ. Tighten center out

Thanks

g8_795

10-11-2008, 05:38 AM

Should we apply anything to the header bolts? Sealant, anti-lock, anything? I am using the original gasket. Is that SOP around here?
Thanks.

GRRRR8

10-11-2008, 09:41 AM

You can do blue loc-tite and tighten 30-35 ft lbs

g8_795

10-11-2008, 09:43 AM

You can do blue loc-tite and tighten 30-35 ft lbs

Thanks Charlie. Did you have any problems with the passenger side front O2 cable not being long enough? I called ARH, and they said no one else has had this problem.

GRRRR8

10-11-2008, 10:20 AM

Unclip it where the push pin fastener holds it near the side of trans and it will fit perfect.

It's A G8!

10-11-2008, 03:20 PM

Did you have any problems with the passenger side front O2 cable not being long enough?

Are you serious? You are speaking to a master!

g8_795

10-11-2008, 04:09 PM

My car must of been built on a Monday. There is no way to get the passenger side O2 sensor to hook up to the LT's. ARH was on the ball and is sending me an extension cable. I would have to cut into the conduit(?) that contains all of the wires because the connector barely sticks out of it. I even tried pulling it out of the wire bundle with pliers with no luck.

Couple of questions:

What did you guys torque the exhaust bands to? I did 60 lb/ft, think it is enough?

What about the two bolts from the knuckle joint(?). I just tightened the shit out of them.

Also, from the knuckle joints to the connection to the last section of tubing that connects to the stock mufflers, the pipes are not completely parallel. They end up being about an inch apart before connecting the last connection. I am sure this makes no sense, but anybody else see this? Is it right? I know pictures would be nice, but my damn floor jack just failed, so I can't lift my car right now.

Torqued spark plugs to about 15-20 lb/ft with anti-seize.
Torqued manifold down to about 35 lb/ft with blue lock tight.

BTW. This system looks damn sweet. I can't wait to fire it up, but no bung plug yet and can't lift my car to install it even if I did have one. :rant:

Thanks for every bodies help. I hope to find a bung plug tomorrow.
-Robert

GeorgeInNePa

10-11-2008, 04:18 PM

Make sure there is about an inch of space between the pipes and the crossmember.

g8_795

10-11-2008, 09:02 PM

Make sure there is about an inch of space between the pipes and the crossmember.

There is about an 3/4" between the pipes and the cross member, but I can't pull the pipes down to even contact the cross bar, so I figure it is good.

GeorgeInNePa

10-11-2008, 09:27 PM

There is about an 3/4" between the pipes and the cross member, but I can't pull the pipes down to even contact the cross bar, so I figure it is good.

Good to go!

done12many2

10-19-2008, 07:28 PM

Do the ARH longtubes come with everything needed for intstall such as any necessary extensions for the O2 sensors or anything of the sort?

Secondly, I already have a VMS ECM/TCM tune for the Roto-Fab intake and 93 octane. Does Kirk have a standard 93 octane tune for the Roto-Fab and ARH longtubes?

GRRRR8

10-19-2008, 07:30 PM

ARH is 100% complete. I would call VMS about the tune to see if they have a file for the combo. The tune will be the same for any LT.

done12many2

10-19-2008, 07:37 PM

Thanks for that extremely fast response. I am about to pull the trigger on this after reading your thread. I don't want to start a debate between you and anyone that may have opted for the 1 3/4", but what made you chose the 1 7/8".

Thanks

GRRRR8

10-19-2008, 07:44 PM

I will make it easy for you. The 1 3/4 make more tq down low and the 1 7/8 make more hp up hi. SS Enforcer has been in the 11s for awhile with 1 3/4. I chose 1 7/8 due to the fact I knew I might go WAY further in the future then most will. You cant go wrong either way. If you are not going to do cam and heads put 1 3/4.

It's A G8!

10-19-2008, 07:56 PM

What about if you plan on FI in the future? Would it be better to just get the 1 7/8 ?

GRRRR8

10-19-2008, 07:58 PM

Yes. You would not care about a little loss of TQ when you are gaining 150 ft lbs of it!

-Ray-

10-20-2008, 02:48 AM

BMR Sales

11-06-2008, 08:09 AM

Now, any of you entrepreneurial types considering an improved underbody brace that allows more clearence for aftermarket pipes and increased strength?

While the spacers provided by ARH work fine, would rather have a stiffer brace that serves as a driveshaft loop and gives more clearence around the pipes.Also update on the tunnel brace. I got a chance to get the car up on the lift today and the BMR brace without the SCFs is 3/16" lower than the stock brace. So with the SFCs the added clearance for exhaust will be 3/8"

Also here is a pic of the brace with the SFC.

wreckwriter

11-06-2008, 08:12 AM

I believe the spacers provided by ARH are also 3/16. Assuming that's correct using this system will give the same clearance as the stock tunnel brace with the ARH spacers (which works well on my car).

Art708

11-06-2008, 12:04 PM

Same here. I think she realizes it wouldny do any good anyways! Now I was surprised when she said it needs to be louder yesterday. I wish I could get some SFs.......

WTF are SFs... I gotta know. :)

wreckwriter

11-06-2008, 12:08 PM

WTF are SFs... I gotta know. :)

Stolen Fox axle backs.

GRRRR8

11-06-2008, 12:09 PM

Stolen Fox axle backs.

That is correct! Thanks Tom.

Art708

11-06-2008, 12:15 PM

I bought 2 new motorcycles last year and my wife didn't even notice. They were both black like the old one. That's all that she sees....a black bike, all the same to her. If I bought a new GXP in black she's not notice that either. :) She might notice if I bought a Charger but I wouldn't bet on it.

BMR Sales

11-17-2008, 07:20 PM

Also update on the tunnel brace. I got a chance to get the car up on the lift today and the BMR brace without the SCFs is 3/16" lower than the stock brace. So with the SFCs the added clearance for exhaust will be 3/8"

G8GT594

11-17-2008, 09:03 PM

Are these spacers that you guys are talking about just an ordinary type of spacer i can pick up at the hardware store?

-Ray-

11-18-2008, 02:49 AM

You can use washers. The "spacer" is a square piece of aluminum that has a hole drilled in it.

G8GT594

11-18-2008, 06:28 AM

You can use washers. The "spacer" is a square piece of aluminum that has a hole drilled in it.

O ok, sounds good. I do have that rattle if it get on it a little at like 2500 RPM. So the washers basically drop the member from touching the pipes?

wreckwriter

11-18-2008, 06:37 AM

O ok, sounds good. I do have that rattle if it get on it a little at like 2500 RPM. So the washers basically drop the member from touching the pipes?

Correct.

-Ray-

11-18-2008, 07:21 AM

American Racing includes these with their set. You mean Kook's don't have them? LOL

wreckwriter

11-18-2008, 07:22 AM

You mean Kook's don't have them? LOL

Nope. But as an extra bonus Kooks will send you the wrong O2 extension. That's gotta be worth something?

-Ray-

11-18-2008, 07:23 AM

Yeah, more aggravation.

GeorgeInNePa

11-18-2008, 08:13 AM

O ok, sounds good. I do have that rattle if it get on it a little at like 2500 RPM. So the washers basically drop the member from touching the pipes?

Yes.

You might also try loosening up the pipe joints and prying the pipes upward, then re-tightening the joints. That will normally give some extra clearance.