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jzpiano
11-20-2013, 11:30 PM
Article is below. Doesn't speak really highly of the G8, but what do they know ;)


http://www.lsxtv.com/features/car-features/why-the-chevy-ss-will-succeed-where-the-g8-seemed-to-fall-short/ (http://www.lsxtv.com/features/car-features/why-the-chevy-ss-will-succeed-where-the-g8-seemed-to-fall-short/)

Chevrolet is preparing to land the first batch of 2014 SS performance sedans (http://www.chevrolet.com/culture/article/ss-performance-sedan-debut/performance.html) on American soil, after they’ve traveled halfway around the world from their Down Under manufacturing location, in Australia. They will bring a V8-powered, rear-wheel-driven sedan back to Chevy (http://www.chevrolet.com/) showrooms for the first time since the beloved Impala SS went out of production in 1996.
We’ll give you a moment to pause in contemplative reflection.
The new SS is based on the Holden (http://www.holden.com.au/) Commodore, which, along with placing the steering wheel on the correct side of the interior, has been updated to for the American market and aimed squarely at performance enthusiasts (sorry Canada, Chevy ain’t sending it up north). If this all sounds like automotive déjà vu, then you are correct: It’s basically the story of the Pontiac G8, from six years ago – only a few things have changed since then.
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If you can remember all the way back to a time when the newbie iPhone had yet to cause so much as a quiver on the lips of BlackBerry execs, the G8 was introduced as a car with plenty of promise, but came saddled with the baggage of General Motor’s looming bankruptcy and the consequential demise of the Pontiac brand all together. The broader problems at GM weren’t the only factors working against the G8 at the time. There were some marketing and product content issues that Pontiac got wrong, which kept performance enthusiasts from lining up with their checkbooks in hand. Part of the problem at the time was the brand itself, but more on that later.


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The new Chevrolet SS is based on the Holden Commodre and gets its drivetrain from the Pontiac G8 GXP.

This time around, it appears Chevrolet is poised to succeed with a supremely competent car, but first, here’s a quick reminder of the car’s stats:


It’s basically the same platform as the Chevy Caprice police vehicle, but with an approximately 4-inch-shorter wheelbase and shorter overall length. Upon closer inspection, the wheelbase and overall length essentially mirror the G8.
The hood and trunk lid are made of weight-saving, balance-improving aluminum. The car has basically a 50/50 weight balance, now that’s pretty cool.
The engine is the LS3 rated at 415 horsepower and 415 lb-ft of torque with a 6L80 six-speed automatic as the only transmission offered at this time.
It has a MacPherson strut front suspension, a multi-link independent rear suspension and electric power steering.
Brembo front brakes are standard, with ventilated, 14-inch two-piece rotors and four-piston calipers – very nice.
Nineteen-inch forged aluminum wheels with Bridgestone rubber.

Comparisons between the SS and G8 are inevitable, mostly because, apart from the electric power steering, the SS specs are basically the same as the 2009 G8 GXP, but there are important distinctions that indicate to us it won’t go the way of the star-crossed Pontiac.
The GTO Debacle
It would be pretty easy to write a master’s thesis or build a marketing course around the profound ways Pontiac sullied 40 years of iconic brand equity with the 2004-06 GTO. Equal parts arrogance and ignorance contributed to the debacle, although the original concept of bringing the otherwise fantastic Holden Monaro to the United States was a sound one.

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14-inch Brembo brakes bring this ride to a stop.

The arrogance came from Pontiac and GM brass, who assumed anything with a V8 engine and rear-wheel-drive would be a no-brainer success if they slapped a GTO badge on it. Ignorance manifested itself in the out-of-touch marketing of the car. Although the car was named GTO, Pontiac took pains to distance it from comparisons and references to the classic musclecar – a pop-culture icon that even non-car people recognized. They also made sure not even the slightest of retro styling cues was woven into the design. Weird, right?
Pontiac was sure people were cross-shopping their G6 with the Audi A6, so logically, the GTO would appeal to younger, Euro-minded customers, right? Yeah… no. They were trolling for customers who didn’t exist. The GTO was too expensive for younger buyers and it didn’t appeal to the Baby Boomers who could afford it – the folks with tenable, emotional connections to the original GTO.
http://cdn.speednik.com/files/2013/11/04.jpg (http://cdn.speednik.com/files/2013/11/04.jpg)The failed Pontiac GTO of yesteryear.

GM was geared up to produce about 18,000 GTOs a year and Pontiac assumed the first model year would be a sell-out. Nope. Only about 13,500 were sold. In comparison, Ford sold more than 160,000 copies of the unabashedly retro 2005 Mustang. The fifth-generation Camaro – based on the same platform as the G8 – has even outsold the Mustang for the last few years, proving the retro trend wasn’t a fluke. Customers were clamoring for it and Pontiac simply ignored it.
The bad mojo rub-off on the G8, which came along two years after the GTO departed, was inevitable and inescapable. Pontiac was out of touch and even performance customers with few other choices for an American rear-drive sedan stayed away. Fortunately, Chevrolet is not Pontiac. Yes, they’ve made missteps with their performance cars and branding in years past – the less said about the SSR and the Malibu MAXX SS the better – but from the C6 Corvette Z06 to the Camaro ZL1 they have a strong track record of delivering on performance expectations and have clearly regained consumer confidence in the performance markets.
To put it simply: Chevy has the benefit of the doubt with the SS. Pontiac just didn’t have that luxury with the G8.
The Power To Perform
The Pontiac G8 was by no means a slouch at its debut, but it didn’t exactly set the drag strip on fire, either. With 361 horsepower from the 6.0L V8 in the G8 GT, Car and Driver was able to nail down a 5.3-second 0-60 time and a 13.8-second quarter-mile ET. Like we said, not bad, but even six years ago, it wasn’t anything to write home about.
For a few more dollars, the 2009 GXP delivered an LS3 6.2L V8 nestled in a package that tipped the scale at just under 4,000 pounds. The larger, more powerful engine provided enough extra thrust to push the car to 60 mph in 4.7 seconds and down the quarter-mile in 13.3 seconds – again, according to Car and Driver’s actual testing.

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The impressive 6.2L LS3 engine backed by a 6-speed automatic

The GXP’s performance was undeniably stout, but it hit the showrooms just as Pontiac was turning out the lights, so few got to experience its awesomeness. Only 1,829 were sold.
Although we’ve pointed out the new Chevy SS is no G8, we’ll have to walk back that statement a few steps when the hoods of both are raised. The SS sports the same LS3 engine as the G8 and it’s rated at – surprise, surprise – 415 horsepower and 415 lb-ft of torque. Chevy lists the curb weight of the SS at 3,975 pounds, or just less than 4,000 pounds.
Here’s the thing about that: It doesn’t matter. The LS3 is a wonderful, deep-breathing and high-revving power plant. What it may lack in sheer, low-rpm torque it more than makes up for in high-winding performance that’s oh-so-satisfying when driving in the engine’s mid and upper ranges. It’s an asset in the SS, shared with the Camaro SS.
We’ll argue the TREMEC (http://www.tremec.com/) six-speed manual transmission offered in the GXP gave the car an extra dose of street cred, whereas it’s any transmission you want in the SS, as long as it’s an automatic. Yes, we know manual-transmission take rates by customers continue to slide, even in hardcore sports cars, but even still, there’s just something a little less sporting about a car named SS without a manual – just sayin’ – but maybe we’ll see those options expand down the line.
Another attribute the G8 GXP and SS share is Gas Guzzler tax-inducing fuel economy. The Pontiac was rated at 13 city and 20 highway, while the SS, with the same engine and a nearly identical curb weight, eeks out EPA estimates of 14 city and 21 highway – numbers that could add approximately $1,000 to the $44,470 sticker price.
http://cdn.speednik.com/files/2013/11/08-640x313.jpg (http://cdn.speednik.com/files/2013/11/08.jpg)High-end styling and high horsepower we hope makes the new SS a win.

In the automatic-equipped Camaro SS, which has a comparable curb weight to the SS sedan, cylinder deactivation technology contributes to a 24-mpg highway rating. It also contributes to a 26-horsepower decrease in horsepower, so there’s the trade-off. Fuel economy in a car like the SS is not the end of the world – and we’d certainly rather have the extra 26 horses – but it’s certainly a factor when gas prices creep up and over the $4.00/gallon mark during those peak months of the year.
Technology Triumphs And Packaging Perfection
GM went to considerable lengths to Americanize the Australian Holden Commodore and turn it into the G8. There were safety features and other federal requirements to incorporate and some suspension and noise/vibration/harshness items to address, too, but the General didn’t quite follow through on some of the technologies and creature comforts that customers we coming to expect – especially in the G8’s price range. On the 2008 model, for example, you couldn’t even get satellite radio, which was standard on the lowly Cobalt clone known as the Pontiac G5 – and it even offered a USB port for plug-in media sources. Satellite radio was added to the G8 for 2009, but there was definitely a continental disconnection.
That’s not the case with the Chevy SS, which comes one way: Loaded. To. The. Gills. Not only is satellite radio part of the package, it’s woven into the standard MyLink system (with a nav system), which is controlled through the eight-inch color touch screen – now we’re talking technology.
A read through Chevy’s list of additional features shows the SS is ready for the American roads and, more importantly, American owners: Color heads-up display, dual-zone climate system, heated/ventilated leather seats, keyless access with push-button starting and, that popular feature in the colder climes: remote start. It even has one of those automatic parking features. Those features are all standard, the only available option is a power sunroof.


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Sporty and race inspired, the SS really outshines its predecessors.

There’s also no mistaking the cabin of the SS for a re-badged Poncho, either. The instrument panel has that classic Chevrolet dual-binnacle styling and the flat-bottom steering sure looks racy. There’s also unmistakable and much-appreciated attention to detail in the trim and feel of the materials. The G8 was old-school, hard-plastic GM – definitely not befitting its price point, while the SS simply looks and feels elegant, yet still appealing in the performance markets.
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The Cool Factor
This circles back to point #1: Chevrolet is on a roll these days. Pontiac was the walking – rolling? – dead when the G8 had hit the streets.
The car-buying public had moved on from Pontiac and so, too, had enthusiasts. We suppose this is the point in the story where you GTO and G8 cultists start flaming us with vitriolic counterpoints, but keep this in mind: We haven’t criticized the driving experience or specs of either car – we’ve simply pointed out they were wasted by misdirected marketing. The G8 – particularly the GXP – was a fun, mostly well-executed car, but partnering it with the Pontiac brand was surely a mistake. It should have been a Chevy all along. Heck, remember they were going to offer a neo-El Camino version, too? If anything should have worn the bowtie, it should have been that thing!
http://cdn.speednik.com/files/2013/11/11-640x426.jpg (http://cdn.speednik.com/files/2013/11/11.jpg)The possible concept for a Pontiac G8 El Camino.

Here we are six years after the G8’s launch and five years after its demise. Today it’s clearly a new GM and in many respects, a new Chevrolet. Forget that the SS’s powertrain and chassis specs are largely the same as the G8 GXP. It doesn’t really matter, because the whole of the SS is more than the sum of its parts. The 1994-96 Impala SS taught us that. It was based on the bloated-looking, anemic Caprice, but with its sinister-looking black paint job, police car underpinnings and aluminum wheels, an entirely new persona was cultivated – one that instantly changed perceptions.
So, maybe it’s not so much a G8 comparison we should consider, but whether the SS is worthy to roll in the tire tracks of a car that became an instant icon. On paper and on the street, the new SS runs rings around the old Impala SS, but – duh! Everyone expects that 18 years later, but its presence and coolness will be judged by intangible factors.
For the record, we think it’s a worthy successor in every right, but then again, we’d only order ours in black.

52WASP
11-21-2013, 03:54 AM
I'll keep my G8 GT, thank you. Thank you very much. For all of the above reasons. I guess I'll have to suffer with the 51.7/48.3 weight bias. And the paltry L76 6.0 Liter. And the PBR brakes. And for the fact that I have seen less than 5 other G8's so far in 2013. Turns out, if you want a unique car, all you need to do is park a G8 in your driveway. Where else could you get in with a bunch of GRRRR8 guys? No bellybuttons here.

TooManyHobbies
11-21-2013, 08:49 AM
The author of that article was born in 2010 I think.

Svendingo
11-21-2013, 11:02 AM
The author's father owned a Chevy dealer and his mother must have been killed by a marauding Bonneville...

He seems to be clueless that the car is essentially G8 with added tech features and an ugly nose. Maybe it's just a coincidence that they share wheelbase and greenhouse.

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Imalabil
11-21-2013, 07:32 PM
I'd buy the analogy with the Impala SS if a similar transformation was accomplished with the Chevy SS - it was not.
The Impala SS was bada$$ looking, one of the major reasons I bought one. No one was comparing it to a bloated Malibu, as they are with the SS. Regarding the interior upgrades, well, wouldn't you expect that after 5 years (6, really) of automotive evolution? What do you suppose a 2014 G8 would look like inside?
Probably a 2014 Commodore...
Bill

PaFromFL
11-21-2013, 08:31 PM
I liked the 2004-06 GTO (despite the 1990's styling), but was in the market for 4-door RWD at the time. I wound up with a 2005 BMW 330i.

WiscoG8
11-21-2013, 09:32 PM
Ill stick with my G8 and bury any SS I come across. Even that bs Callaway supercharged one that can't even cut a low 4second 0-60.

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toedrag
11-22-2013, 04:20 AM
Interesting article. I'll agree that the potential buyer pool is bigger with the SS in the sense that it's not targeting enthusiasts. The added comfort features like parking assist, heads up display, and others will appeal to more buyers. It's trying to hit Joe public who wants a rolling, high-tech lazy-boy with a giant motor (aka German car buyers). Two-piece front rotors & aluminum hood/trunk? srsly? Cute attempt at trying to appeal to the enthusiast market. If it was trying to hit the enthusiast market, it would be without all the extraneous bells & whistles, but I guess the Z28 attempts to fill that gap already.

The author can discuss macro-economic issues till he's blue in the face, but at the end of the day, the SS is a GXP with a tech package & new body.

This being said, if it ever comes as a manual wagon, I'll buy one.

TonyKarter
11-22-2013, 12:16 PM
Regardless of any SS dogma I might have to endure from an owner in the future, I can always pull this one out on him: "I paid $24,929 for mine brand new, with eighteen miles on the odometer. How much was yours?" Due to experience I'll probably outrun him too.

Quite frankly, if I was going to spend that much on a limited edition car I wouldn't buy an SS. I'd rather spend it on a Boss 302 and put a Procharger on it.

Matt82
11-22-2013, 01:46 PM
That author is a total douche! The G8 was and still is much more appealing than the SS. Honestly I don't see the SS doing much better. I hope it does, but we'll see.

jzpiano
11-22-2013, 04:50 PM
Just was at the dealer and saw the SS in person. Honestly I wasn't impressed. For 47k+ there just isn't enough of a difference between my g8 and the SS. Not to mention the appearance doesn't grab you like the 8 does.

G8 GT V8
11-22-2013, 04:59 PM
Just was at the dealer and saw the SS in person. Honestly I wasn't impressed. For 47k+ there just isn't enough of a difference between my g8 and the SS. Not to mention the appearance doesn't grab you like the 8 does.

Folks on the SS forum think it is a big improvement over the G8. I think they are fooling themselves but it's their money...

Seattle09GT
11-22-2013, 05:31 PM
I have the slips to prove my 0 to 60 and 1/4 mile times on a Cortex tune only with 91 octane in the tank. The L76 is no performance slouch.

If the G8 is so bad, why does it have one of the best resale values of any car you can buy used today. 60% of MSRP at 5 years? Not bad for a crappy car no one wants.

travis gore
11-22-2013, 05:35 PM
Well the author is defiantly a tool. I like the new features of the SS but they do not look as good. I am going to look at one in the morning. I did receive an email today from the local dealership who now has one. I am not buying just looking. For the $ a C6 would be more fun

TailG8er
11-22-2013, 05:51 PM
The grille is what kills the front end, but would be an easy upgrade. I think painted body color and get rid of the Bowtie and it could look better.

It is a sweet car but I would not replace my GXP with one, but in addition to it would be sweet. The SS is a bit more refined on the interior, like Buicks, Caddys, Impalas and Malibus. The dash is just like those as well. I like it and maybe in a few years I can get one at auction.

G8 GT V8
11-22-2013, 06:32 PM
I was coming home from work the other night and I see a car in a fast food drive thru that caught my eye. I thought could it be a new SS? It had the signature tail lights. Get closer and it looked spot less like it just came from a dealership. Get a little closer and noticed a temporary plate. Could it be, could it actually be my 1st spotting of an SS? Get up on it and discovered that it was just a new Malibu. Oh well.

I sure don't mistake any other cars for a G8...

TailG8er
11-22-2013, 08:42 PM
I was coming home from work the other night and I see a car in a fast food drive thru that caught my eye. I thought could it be a new SS? It had the signature tail lights. Get closer and it looked spot less like it just came from a dealership. Get a little closer and noticed a temporary plate. Could it be, could it actually be my 1st spotting of an SS? Get up on it and discovered that it was just a new Malibu. Oh well.

I sure don't mistake any other cars for a G8...


Haha, I mistake the new Impalas for the SS. Saw an SS at the Woodward cruise but not since.

texn884
11-23-2013, 05:43 PM
I'll keep The Black Rat any day

roman1978
11-23-2013, 07:26 PM
SS is nice but not for 47 K I sold my g8 almost a year ago now driving a ATS 2.0t nice little car but still miss my G8 GT. I am hoping when the lease is up on ATS I would get a used SS.

travis gore
11-24-2013, 04:00 AM
I did look at a SS yesterday. $48k at the local dealership. It is a nice car. I would not trade the G8 for it though. The seats were really hard. A little to much chrome on the dash for me. They still use the same engine cover as the G8. If I had the money to spend I would still buy a C6


still no Rad cover :)

MongosG8
11-24-2013, 11:33 AM
Funny Travis because I also looked at an SS yesterday at a local dealer... It is PBM. Out the door was just under 48k.
Im growing to like them more then I did before but I still love my GXP fascia better ..dislike that huge bow tie .. Travis is right .. IMO I feel the chrome looks a little cheap on the dash. Too much bling.
If the price was low 40s out the door I would consider but cannot bring myself to spend almost 50k on it when my G8 is almost paid for with only 21k on it.

jzpiano
11-24-2013, 12:12 PM
I also saw one for the first time at the dealer on Friday. They only had a black one. There is no way in hell I would trade in either of my G8s for it. It was too much like it except a more ugly exterior and a bunch of tech inside that while would be nice I don't need or care too much about. Part of the problem is that is was sitting directly next to a brand new better. Those I didn't like from the pictures, but in person damn that's a nice car. Even in white it looked amazing. Both the wife and I agreed that the better at 58k was better buy than the SS at 48k.

Andy@SquashPerformance
12-10-2013, 07:41 AM
I saw an SS at Sema and it's a great looking car, especially on the inside. But for almost $50k OTD I've going to spend the extra coin for a CTS-V. The G8 was a great car for the $36k or so MSRP it was before the Pontiac dealers started giving them away around $30k.

GXPaycheck
12-10-2013, 09:18 AM
There are structural differences as well. Not just the electronics. I find the SS more comfortable than the CTS. Only other cars I can compare it to are a lot more expensive. It would be nice if it stood out more, but that's not likely to happen. I won't trade my GXP, but that doesn't mean I won't buy an SS.

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1088973_2014-chevy-ss-vs-2009-pontiac-g8-gxp-heres-whats-different

mass835
02-10-2015, 07:21 AM
The car gets a bad rep because 1) it is GM during its bankruptcy times 2) it's Pontiac that got killed off

If the car came with a bmw badge everyone would be loving it

seprish101
06-04-2016, 09:49 PM
It's 2016 been to several Chevrolet places ie dealership asked if they have an ss to look at they took me straight to a camaro i said not that an ss and they had no idea what i was talking about like i was stupid . How do you sell a car your dealership does not have but for 50k would not touch it. What i have seen i dont like does resemble a Malibu ,its got no personality of it's own like a very distinctive g8. G8's stand out very loud in a croud on it's own for a whole lot less out of pocket like 20k less could almost buy 2 g8 for that and have 4 times the car a ss will ever be srry guy's pontiac g8 is and always will be an ICON!! Love my gt and will always have it to pass on to grand kids can't say that bout the ss haha http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160605/7c23282f3d78b8ed9bddc6802466d55a.jpg

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BuildItYourSelf
06-05-2016, 10:38 AM
It's 2016 been to several Chevrolet places ie dealership asked if they have an ss to look at they took me straight to a camaro i said not that an ss and they had no idea what i was talking about like i was stupid . How do you sell a car your dealership does not have but for 50k would not touch it. What i have seen i dont like does resemble a Malibu ,its got no personality of it's own like a very distinctive g8. G8's stand out very loud in a croud on it's own for a whole lot less out of pocket like 20k less could almost buy 2 g8 for that and have 4 times the car a ss will ever be srry guy's pontiac g8 is and always will be an ICON!! Love my gt and will always have it to pass on to grand kids can't say that bout the ss haha http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160605/7c23282f3d78b8ed9bddc6802466d55a.jpg

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This is where I did agree. A g8 looks like a g6 to most. And people think it's a v6 nothing special car. The ss sticks out. Not as close to the Malibu as the g8 to g6.
Ever since I did the holden swap I get more people asking wtf is that? I want to take the badges off so people stop asking.

seprish101
06-05-2016, 12:29 PM
Not many people know the story of the g8/ss or where it came from just what's in front of them and thats thousands of more units around them like the g6. The front grill design is the only thing that looks the same? Don't think any camaro, challenger,or ss guys pulled up beside a g6 to race like I've heard ss guy's do with malibu's and that's is truly funny. But keep your's different that's what makes it unique, i debadged mine for that reason just keep them talking and they won't forget and remember pontiac g8's are great like America and only in America

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roman1978
06-06-2016, 06:50 AM
its funny how lots of g8 guys are bashing SS. I am a former owner of 2 g8 loved both of them but when it was time for something new the only car that was left in my books too look at was SS. Week after I sold my second g8 I purchased a left over SS for $36k. After having it for a year I don't regret a bit its an amazing car and after blacking out all the chrome its very close to what g8 Looks like

MongosG8
06-06-2016, 07:05 AM
Owner of a G8 since brand new. Brought it home on 7/4/2009 .. I have to say I love my G8 .. I cannot and will not bash the SS. Im actually considering one on their last year now.

Couple things I do not like about the SS ..the ugly ass Gold bow tie..fkg hate that obnoxious oversized thing. Im not a huge fan of the ass end of the SS.. Not a fan of the tapered off look and those tail lights. I like the wide stance my G8 has from the rear. But thats about it.. I refuse to bash it because if Government Motors didnt do away with Pontiac ..That would still be the G8.

The SS has a better motor, Better interior, better suspension, Brakes & technology. Too many haters man. What you rather be a douche bag and own a BMW? FK that.. I hate BMWs and I hate most of their owners.. nothing but douche nozzles!

roman1978
06-06-2016, 07:10 AM
I could not stand the Chevy logo also its a very simple fix GM. sells a Holden kit right from the dealer Front grill with Holden badge and rear badge and 4 Holden center caps. Some of us even went and replaced air bag with Holden one and some cases people even updated their radio and DIC with Holden or HSV start up screen. So there is no trace of Chevy anywhere.

G8 GT V8
06-06-2016, 07:19 PM
What you rather be a douche bag and own a BMW? FK that.. I hate BMWs and I hate most of their owners.. nothing but douche nozzles!

A bmw or dudge charger is about it...I would take an SS over either of those any day of the week, but I love bowties to begin with.

MongosG8
06-07-2016, 04:32 AM
A bmw or dudge charger is about it...I would take an SS over either of those any day of the week, but I love bow-ties to begin with.

I have nothing against the Bow tie .. I owned many Chevy's and Pontiac's ..I just cannot stand the size of the bow-tie they now put on most of their vehicles. They used to be much smaller and different colors.

G8 GT V8
06-07-2016, 05:07 AM
I have nothing against the Bow tie .. I owned many Chevy's and Pontiac's ..I just cannot stand the size of the bow-tie they now put on most of their vehicles. They used to be much smaller and different colors.

I can't disagree with that. It's hard to find the bowtie on my corvette, but my Chevy Cruze has a huge ass bow tie on it. It would look better if they would tone it down a bit on the SS and some of their other cars.

roman1978
06-07-2016, 05:46 AM
yes its the size and color more then anything else have nothing against the brand

seprish101
06-07-2016, 07:48 AM
Im not bashing the ss for it is a performance sedan like the g8 just give big brother credit for without the rise and fall of pontiac / g8 the ss possibly would not exist . The euro market is to large for gm to cut the performance sedan all together but they do fall short on all wheel drive performance sedan come on gm get it together, or even price them close to pontiac pricing . The ss is only a dream if you make less 40k a year with kid's and a house payment, that is why i got mine in 2/09 rear performance, great looking, awesome price at 28k from 34k and oh yea 5 year 100k mile warr that the wife quickly used up with everyday drive to work ,and lead foot she loves the car except it's hunger for rubber!!!?? 150k now the car is still solid and im ready to garage it and get her an suv she has to have !!!?? Srry guy's off topic but i am a g8 guy there it is . LATER AND DRIVE FAST

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roman1978
06-07-2016, 08:45 AM
I got my SS 6 years later for $36 k

MongosG8
06-08-2016, 06:06 AM
Im not bashing the ss for it is a performance sedan like the g8 just give big brother credit for without the rise and fall of pontiac / g8 the ss possibly would not exist . The euro market is to large for gm to cut the performance sedan all together but they do fall short on all wheel drive performance sedan come on gm get it together, or even price them close to pontiac pricing . The ss is only a dream if you make less 40k a year with kid's and a house payment, that is why i got mine in 2/09 rear performance, great looking, awesome price at 28k from 34k and oh yea 5 year 100k mile warr that the wife quickly used up with everyday drive to work ,and lead foot she loves the car except it's hunger for rubber!!!?? 150k now the car is still solid and im ready to garage it and get her an suv she has to have !!!?? Srry guy's off topic but i am a g8 guy there it is . LATER AND DRIVE FAST

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Believe me man .. I know exactly where your coming from. I felt the same way with my G8 and still do. I was recently laid off ..not making a 1/3 of what I was originally making.
As for the SS ..The price is great when you see what your getting for the money. But in order for me to get one I would need to sell my 09 G8 w/ only 29k on her in which I dont want to do. I was hoping to keep it and have its Chevy brother next to it in the garage but who knows what next year will bring.

As for the SS I was very reluctant to except it when it came out in 14. Thats until I recently driven one

roman1978
06-08-2016, 06:54 AM
yea the test drive really blows you away

seprish101
06-08-2016, 07:37 AM
Thanks for your support being a gm fan runs in our family from dad's 64 impala ss 327 still in his garage bought new by him to my brothers 79 special edition 4 speed t-topped trans-am bought by me as 2nd owner in 86 sold to him when my daughter was born still in his garage to me getting the last of the pontiac brand high performance sedan i feel privileged to own will stay in my garage for who knows how long hopefully to pass on to grand kids or in dad's case great grand kids least I forget my big brother 78 restored big block camaro will always love gm products even the ss we all worked very hard to pay for then keep these cars and i hope all of you who have your own families and car's can do the same life is all about god, family and cars life is short and goes by fast enjoy it and remember when you can DRIVE FAST! !!!

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MongosG8
06-08-2016, 08:55 AM
Thanks for your support being a gm fan runs in our family from dad's 64 impala ss 327 still in his garage bought new by him to my brothers 79 special edition 4 speed t-topped trans-am bought by me as 2nd owner in 86 sold to him when my daughter was born still in his garage to me getting the last of the pontiac brand high performance sedan i feel privileged to own will stay in my garage for who knows how long hopefully to pass on to grand kids or in dad's case great grand kids least I forget my big brother 78 restored big block camaro will always love gm products even the ss we all worked very hard to pay for then keep these cars and i hope all of you who have your own families and car's can do the same life is all about god, family and cars life is short and goes by fast enjoy it and remember when you can DRIVE FAST! !!!

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Amen to that brother!

My father passed when I was really young early teens but he was always fond of cars.. He had a 64 Impala convertible until my idiot uncle sneaked it out one night without asking and wrecked it. My dad ended up getting another one but it was a 67 hard top. After that he had a 1970 Olds (stolen)
Father was strict about purchasing American made cars. He did not like foreign cars parked in our driveway..LOL! Before my father passed 83 my brother brought home a 1970 Yellow Monte Carlo that needed some TLC. My dad loved it but said to my brother. Thats will be a lot of time, work and $$ But my brother and his BF started slowly restoring it. Father loved watching them .. I was eventually asked to help and that was the beginning of my car craze.

10 years ago my brother and I found a 1968 Firebird 400 from his parts manager. Her husband did a lot to the Bird but she didnt care and wanted the money so it was a no brainer. ..so him and I finished restoring what it needed and than he bought me out.
I bug him to sell me it all the time but he tells me OK 40K! LOL.. Says my nephew will inherit it or get it after college graduation.

I had my share of cars ..70, 76 Monte Carlos, 75 Pontiac Lemans GT, 79 Monte Carlos, 87 Mont SS, 87 Grand Prix, 89 Grand Prix, 93 Firebird Formula, 95 Z28, and now my 09 G8. Ive been dedicated to Chevy and Pontiac my whole life.

American way .. God, Family, Cars and dont forget the Apple Pie!

seprish101
06-08-2016, 09:22 AM
Well said well done my actual first car was a short lived 69 camaro ss loved it but 30 days after getting it i totaled it hitting a drunk driver sad but had to happen to start my passion for pontiac and my 79 400 4 speed trans -am and it was all over for chevy srry guys . Dads first hand down in high school was a 69 sportster made up as chopper he built loved it still have it in garage here's a pic funny we alot in common you seem like a good guy. God speed ,
Pontiac , Harley Davidson,
Rock and roll chat with you later mongohttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160608/4a77a62cd02898f3ff5a62a8520f3028.jpg

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seprish101
06-08-2016, 09:25 AM
Its been stored for winter srry it's filthy gonna get it out for a bath soon!!!!

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