VCM OTR on Maggie

[BigV8]

I don't believe anyone has one on a maggie car, but I was looking at getting one since they have an adapter for the maggie. The problem is the picture they show of the adapter, its kind of hard to figure how the maf would mount. Check this out http://www.vcmstore.com.au/epages/shop.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/vcmperformance/Products/VI-VE-Mag-Kit.

[Kermit]

To me it kind of looks like that adapter might be a modified MAF.

[norm8332]

Looks like it takes a Maf card.

[hartigan85]

I wonder what size that adapter piece tapers down too. If it's 102mm that would be nice.

[WhiteDeathLSX]

Looks interesting... no installed pics I guess?

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[Crazy Paul]

Ask the manufacturer?

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[LS1_Disciple]

Paul, you crack me up with all the MSPaint stuff. I don't think I've ever seen anyone make such extensive use of it.

[matts88yj]

Ask the manufacturer?

17297

:rofl: I love it CP!

[MIEngineer]

straight shot from the Maggie to the intake.

[hivoltagedriver]

If you look close, it almost looks like the stock MAF mounts inside of the adapter.

[WoodburyMan]

Now if they only made one for the vararam..

[BigV8]

Ask the manufacturer?

17297Thanks CP :-) that was my next move. I just thought it looked odd. We all have seen weird pics of businesses stuff on the internet.

[Crazy Paul]

Thanks CP :-) that was my next move.
No problem.
Makem work for their dollar.
If you have no joy then let me know, I think I've got the designers e-mail address here somewhere.

[08_GT]

Now if they only made one for the vararam..I am willing to bet that this will work with the vararam as well. If I had a maggie I would give it a shot. It's only $109 AU. They have great prices compared to JHP... lol.

[hivoltagedriver]

http://www.vcmstore.com.au/epages/shop.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/vcmperformance/Products/VI-VEOTR-SC

They offer the entire intake with the adapter. There are a couple of pics of it installed, but they don't show the MAF very well.

[08_GT]

that's because it has no maf. It's tuned SD.

[Svendingo]

"
The VCM Performance VE OTR is available in MAF, MAFless and Supercharged variants to suit the 6lt and 6.2lt V8 VE Commodores."


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[BigV8]

Ask the manufacturer?

17297Well CP I tried this and its been over a week. I've heard this happen as others have said they got no response. Do you know if the maf is different on the AU LS3 then ours? I may just order it and see what comes in.

[Tulsa GT]

So, what do we think is the difference between non maf, maf, and blower intakes?

I just want this:

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[skinsfangreg]

I spoke with VCM a couple week ago and ordered the adapter/boot to attach the VCM to the tvs1900. Still waiting to receive it. Should get it after Xmas and be able to provide some details then. The adapter takes a MAF card but (based on info from Steve @ VCM) our stock MAF won't work.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/25/ge9ahare.jpg
I plan to get a speed density tune and eliminate the MAF but am leaning towards buying a MAF card to fit as well if I can find one that's affordable. When I asked Steve which MAF card to buy he sent me this link.
http://www.lingenfelter.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=L480000000&Store_Code=LPE&search=maf&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high

Since the G8 isn't an option on the link, I'm not sure if he sent me that link to show the style card I need or what.

VCM closed down for the winter/holidays 12/21/12 and won't reopen until 2/1/2013.

I'll update this thread ASAP. Until I get the part my car will be in hibernation :(

Btw, $109 + 85 shipping!!

[Tulsa GT]

So, maybe stupid question.

Does the Maggie tune use the maf?

Can it be tuned wither way?

[skinsfangreg]

So, maybe stupid question.

Does the Maggie tune use the maf?

Can it be tuned wither way?

I believe it does.
From my understanding you'll need to get a speed density tune in order to delete the MAF. The Magnason tunes are ok but if your spending the $ on the blower you'll probably want to pony up for a proper tune. I hear they leave power on the table.

[Tulsa GT]

I have livernois tune and 2c cam so I am a ways away from the magnuson tune. See dyno sheet if it attaches.

Guess I should check with livernois about the tune.

Dash command has been showing me insanely high iat and ambient temps, so I don't think my rotofab is sealing against the hood anymore with the liner gone.

Have been eyeing the vcm for a while just want it to work right with the blower, etc.

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[Tulsa GT]

Greg,

So do u already have vcm and blower?

[skinsfangreg]

Greg,

So do u already have vcm and blower?

Yep. Had the RF myself and bought the VCM. I'm determined to do whatever it takes to make it work. Got no choice now since I no longer have the RF :). Just hard to get answers this time of year. Once I get all the details sorted out, I'll update. Any info I could provide now would be speculation. I should have the adapter/boot soon and will know more once its in my hands.

[TooManyHobbies]

I spoke with VCM a couple week ago and ordered the adapter/boot to attach the VCM to the tvs1900. Still waiting to receive it. Should get it after Xmas and be able to provide some details then. The adapter takes a MAF card but (based on info from Steve @ VCM) our stock MAF won't work.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/25/ge9ahare.jpg
I plan to get a speed density tune and eliminate the MAF but am leaning towards buying a MAF card to fit as well if I can find one that's affordable. When I asked Steve which MAF card to buy he sent me this link.
http://www.lingenfelter.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=L480000000&Store_Code=LPE&search=maf&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high

Since the G8 isn't an option on the link, I'm not sure if he sent me that link to show the style card I need or what.

VCM closed down for the winter/holidays 12/21/12 and won't reopen until 2/1/2013.

I'll update this thread ASAP. Until I get the part my car will be in hibernation :(

Btw, $109 + 85 shipping!!

I would think the LS-3 MAF card used in the Camaro would work fine. They are not that expensive. I am not sure why they sent that Lingenfelter link. That is a tube for the MAF card which you do not need. It is also overpriced compared to what you can buy elsewhere.

[skinsfangreg]

I would think the LS-3 MAF card used in the Camaro would work fine. They are not that expensive. I am not sure why they sent that Lingenfelter link. That is a tube for the MAF card which you do not need. It is also overpriced compared to what you can buy elsewhere.

I agree about the LS3 MAF card but just not sure and rather wait until I have it in my hand before buying non returnable parts. A friend has an LS3 SS and I'm sure he'll let me test fit. I believe he sent the link as a reference to the appearance of the MAF card but not sure. I asked but still no response and don't expect one any time soon (holidays). Thanks for your input.

[BigV8]

I agree about the LS3 MAF card but just not sure and rather wait until I have it in my hand before buying non returnable parts. A friend has an LS3 SS and I'm sure he'll let me test fit. I believe he sent the link as a reference to the appearance of the MAF card but not sure. I asked but still no response and don't expect one any time soon (holidays). Thanks for your input.Thanks for posting about this! I have not checked in on this thread. I know you can tune with the card style maf, some have already done this. I suppose you are just wondering if the cheaper one will work on the adapter. Now I know why I never got an email from VCM, they are on vacation! They never posted anything on their web site saying it thou.

[skinsfangreg]

Received the VCM to TVS1900 boot today. $99 part and $80 shipping :(
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/04/ny7e6u3e.jpg
Made of pretty flexible rubber and has a steel insert to keep form.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/04/9e5ysypy.jpg
The MAF sensor port is sealed so I'm guessing if you want to use a card style sensor you just cut it out.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/04/by7yre2a.jpg
The boot actually appears it was made for a different setup and an extension was added. The extension feels like poly while the boot feels more like rubber.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/04/dagaqahy.jpg
Hoping to have time to get it installed tomorrow. Will update with pics once installed.

[Tulsa GT]

So any idea why the supercharger version of the vcm is $230 more than the regular maf version?

Can't really see the difference.

[BigV8]

Wow. That doesn't really look like the one on their web site or in post #26 above. I would think i would contact them about this, and the maf area should be cut out already. Don't take this wrong, but there is no way I'd put that on my car. They have a great looking intake but that adapter they sent you is junk.

[hartigan85]

Wow. That doesn't really look like the one on their web site or in post #26 above. I would think i would contact them about this, and the maf area should be cut out already. Don't take this wrong, but there is no way I'd put that on my car. They have a great looking intake but that adapter they sent you is junk.

Haha, I was thinkin the same thing. Looks like SHIT!!! Whats with the metal frame inside???

[skinsfangreg]

So any idea why the supercharger version of the vcm is $230 more than the regular maf version?

Can't really see the difference.

The supercharger version that is $230 more is for the 2300. Until very recently they did not have an option for adapting to the 1900 as far as I know.


Wow. That doesn't really look like the one on their web site or in post #26 above. I would think i would contact them about this, and the maf area should be cut out already. Don't take this wrong, but there is no way I'd put that on my car. They have a great looking intake but that adapter they sent you is junk.

The S/C intake they show in the pics is the 2300. This same boot is used for MAF and MAFless tunes. It's meant to just be cut out if using a sensor. The metal frame is there so that the adapter boot can't collapse since its made of rubber rather than plastic.. I'm not really to worried about looks since only about 5" of it is visible once everything is installed. I'm going to take a guess and say that the Harrop blowers used in AUS are likely longer at the inlet than the Magnason blowers. That would explain why the extension is needed on the end. It's really not a bad constructed piece.

[TooManyHobbies]

Some Super VRT will make it looks lots nicer too.

[BigV8]

Skinsfangreg, that explains the difference in the looks. I was hoping that the adapters would be ready to go, and not have to grind on it to get it to work on the car. Please post pics when you get it installed.

[Tulsa GT]

So setting aside adapters for a second.

If one were to just order the vcm intake for the magnacharger, would it work for us? Maf issue aside.

Not sure if this got answerd before, but can we tune our magnacharged cars mafless?

Which came first for you guys, magnacharger or vcm?

[Crazy8]

So setting aside adapters for a second.

If one were to just order the vcm intake for the magnacharger, would it work for us? Maf issue aside. ....

I'm curious about this too.

[hflores3]

Paul, you crack me up with all the MSPaint stuff. I don't think I've ever seen anyone make such extensive use of it.

That IS hilarious!! His "nice" way of saying "DUH" ..... but all in fun.
He sent me some of those to (pretty funny). I was looking for the location of that damn oil pressure sensor. Photo of motor comes with a brigh green arrow..... got a chuckle out of it.

[hflores3]

Gents, I think I have one of those OTR boxes (minus attachment hardware) .....if anyone is interested in it. CHEAP!!

For you bi-linguals "Mucho el Cheapo!"

[skinsfangreg]

VCM, adapter, and LS7 MAF card installed. Very happy with the looks of it.
Upon initial installation the adapter was rubbing on the pulley a tiny bit. Because the adapter is rubber it wore a tiny bit of it away. No big deal tho'. I was able to gain a little clearance by routing one of my 3/8" vacuum lines between the top of the radiator and the bottom of the VCM as a sort of "wedge". This "angled" the adapter up just enough to allow for about 1/4-1/2" of clearance between the adapter & pulley.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/14/ujudanu4.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/14/egabadu7.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/14/avyraduh.jpg

[G8V8]

That looks really good, Greg. Somewhere I have seen a conversion table when going fromour MAF to the LS7. If you need it i can try to find it.

[Tulsa GT]

Greg,

Have u ran it yet? Guess so if u wore the rubber. What are u doing for tune? Yourself? R u considering speed density?

[BlakRam]

I wonder if we can save on shipping when ordering more than 1...group buy??? My Maggie is going on this week so I'm ready to buy now.

[WhiteDeathLSX]

Looks great! Better than my Vararam- MagnaCharger combo

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[Crazy8]

VCM, adapter, and LS7 MAF card installed. Very happy with the looks of it.
Upon initial installation the adapter was rubbing on the pulley a tiny bit. Because the adapter is rubber it wore a tiny bit of it away. No big deal tho'. I was able to gain a little clearance by routing one of my 3/8" vacuum lines between the top of the radiator and the bottom of the VCM as a sort of "wedge". This "angled" the adapter up just enough to allow for about 1/4-1/2" of clearance between the adapter & pulley.


What size pulley are you running on your Maggie?

[skinsfangreg]

The blower drive pulley isn't where the clearance issues are. The clearance issue I had was on the lower (just below the throttle body) pulley to the left of the power steering reservoir.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/20/3u6avyzu.jpg

[skinsfangreg]

Greg,

Have u ran it yet? Guess so if u wore the rubber. What are u doing for tune? Yourself? R u considering speed density?

I have driven it a bit. Had a part failure and ended up pulling the blower off to repair it but it wasn't related to the intake. I'm doing remote tuning with Rick Crawford but that is also on hold until the repairs are done.

[skinsfangreg]

Also, anyone going this route that wants to use a MAF will need to buy an LS7 MAF card and swap the pink & black l wires in the connector. Greg Was or amazon has the MAF cards for a great price.

[BlakRam]

So setting aside adapters for a second.

If one were to just order the vcm intake for the magnacharger, would it work for us? Maf issue aside.

Not sure if this got answerd before, but can we tune our magnacharged cars mafless?

Which came first for you guys, magnacharger or vcm?

Has this been answered yet? I am ordering my kit today and wondering if I need the mafcard or not?

[skinsfangreg]

Has this been answered yet? I am ordering my kit today and wondering if I need the mafcard or not?

You will need a MAF card if you are planning to tune the car using the MAF. If not you will need to get a speed density tune.
I believe the VCM that is sold for the Magnacharger is made for the TVS2300 which will not work with the TVS1900 since the TB sit's much lower on the 2300.
If you order the LS7 MAF card like I did you will still need a retune since the MAF tables are different.
If I were you I'd email VCM before ordering. It's not cheap to send stuff back!

I realize these are exactly direct answers but hope they help. Greg

[Tulsa GT]

I have not put mine on yet, but from what I have gathered from livernois, who has done my tuning to date, and others, I am going with a speed density tune.

It seems this is what is often done down under, and Andy at livernois cites drivability issues with the otr with a maf, as the intake tube is not log enough for the airflow to smooth out.

They (livernois) actually don't recommend the vcm setup.

So, when I get it all installed, I will be getting tuned by pat g.

[jcmGT]

Did Livernois elaborate on the negatives of the VCM? I understand the short run, can add honeycomb to get it laminar. Hopefully it's not because they don't sell it.

[Tulsa GT]

Andy cited a previous customer that went rotofab to vcm and had persistent drivability and tune issues.

I think they were tuning with maf.

[Tulsa GT]

Andy cited a previous customer that went rotofab to vcm and had persistent drivability and tune issues.

I think they were tuning with maf.

Bottom line they did not recommend the setup and got the impression they would not be interested in trying to write a tune for it. Btw think the setup mentioned above was normally aspirated, but not certain.

[BlakRam]

Greg
Sounds like you are the only one(in this thread) that is running this set up. My Maggie 1900 is currently getting installed, I have had the VCM CAI, I will order the kit and maf card, Shane will be doing the tune. Does this set up work? I REALLY don't want to go RotoFab.

[skinsfangreg]

Greg
Sounds like you are the only one(in this thread) that is running this set up. My Maggie 1900 is currently getting installed, I have had the VCM CAI, I will order the kit and maf card, Shane will be doing the tune. Does this set up work? I REALLY don't want to go RotoFab.

It seemed to work just fine. As I said, I had another issue that is preventing me from finishing the remote tuning with Rick. I'm hoping to get the parts and have it back together soon. I'll update this thread if I have any issues with the intake but I don't foresee any.

[BlakRam]

LS7 MAF card AcDelco pn 213-4222/GM pn 15865791...is this the correct info? Someone else posted a different pn than what I found.

Tulsa...when are you doing your install?

[Tulsa GT]

I have to get hardware from vcm as previously owned item I bought was missing a mounting bracket.

I'm kind of in no rush. Definitely before supercars.

[VCMUSA]

I have to get hardware from vcm as previously owned item I bought was missing a mounting bracket.

I'm kind of in no rush. Definitely before supercars.

Tulsa,

What part are you looking for? I may be able to help.

www.vcm-usa.com

[skinsfangreg]

LS7 MAF card AcDelco pn 213-4222/GM pn 15865791...is this the correct info? Someone else posted a different pn than what I found.

Tulsa...when are you doing your install?

GM pn# 15865791 is the LS7 MAF card I bought. Don't forget to swap the wires I previously mentioned. The car won't run if you don't. Ask me how I know ;)

[BlakRam]

I ordered my stuff today...really hope this works out.

Greg, what kind of feedback have you got from your tuner on this setup?

[Tulsa GT]

Hey vcm,

I really need one of the brackets that mount/support the intake/radiator. I'm not sure if they are the same or not. I am missing one and not sure if it goes to a particular side. If possible I would like to just get the hardware kit so I know I have everything.

Thanks!

[vcmswt]

Folks, having only just read this thread I have to apologize for the lack of response from our Online Store. As it turns out, when setting up, an incorrectly spelt email address was applied to one area of the site that just so happened to relate to Customer Queries! In turn we've not received many emails from this area for some months! Pretty sad huh :-(

In any event I feel it best that I explain a few things to you all.

When designing the Magnuson adapter we employed the services of ex Harrop General Manager Ken Nunn to assist us. That all Harrop 1900 and 2300 housings are the same length, when performing his due diligence with the Maggie 2300, Ken concluded that both it and the 1900 would be the same length. He was of course wrong, and this resulted in the 'extra piece' having to be added to the end of the unit as an afterthought. Ken though did a great job with the overall design (specifically for the 2300) noting that part of the task was to allow for Maf tuning should this be desired. Understand that in Australia for the most part, aftermarket supercharged cars are Maf-less. For those wanting to go Maf, Ken incorporated an area that allows a Maf card to be installed via the removal of a section of rubber.

The problem with Maf is that it is close to the TB, but this does not stop it from being tuned - assuming the tuner is good at his/her craft. Please understand; in Australia there seems to be a Pro Tune shop on every second corner (a slight exaggeration, but not radically so as they are everywhere), therefore making it easy for car owners to take their car maybe 10 miles to get a tune. Or 5 or less :-)

The point I am making is that a quality custom tune is needed and in Australia it is standard and expected that a pro tune shop do the tuning. The onus is on them to get it right. Remote tuning (unless it is done via say Teamviewer or the like whereby the car owner's laptop is taken over), mail order tunes and so forth are shunned in a big way in Australia as it simply is not feasible to expect a 'generic' tune to work in a range of cars. We've tuned literally thousands of cars in our own workshop over the years, and I can assure you, every single one of them has been custom tuned on our chassis dyno. This is the only way to do it, what's more if you have gone to the expense of, for example, a camshaft, supercharger, fuel system, clutch, suspension etcetera, having a proper tune is simply logical. A half hearted home attempt or mail order tune can be an absolute waste of time.

On the subject, it seems that quite a few USA based shops offer a 'G8' tune, or whatever name they want to throw at it. There is no such thing. If it is merely a G8 tune, then it is generic and can not in any way be compared to a proper custom tune (unless this what they are referring to).

The final point I would like to make is (based on comments in this thread); has Livernois actually performed a custom Maf or Maf-less tune on a G8 with a Magnuson supercharger and VCM OTR? If they haven't, well enough said. If they have and experienced problems, there is always the telephone, email, text etc. We have three support staff here who assist our many workshop customers with tuning advise. We also run tune schools and so forth. Point being; you want to a good tune, you put in the time and effort to get the result - Maf or Maf-less.

We are happy to offer our OTR and boot for the G8 as we know they work extremely well. They can be purchased through one of your Forum Sponsors, VCM-USA.

[BigV8]

vcmswt, thanks for the response.I was one that emailed your AU web site and never got a response. My question is, are both the 1900 and 2300 Maggie units mad from rubber or plastic like the OTR intake is made of?

[BlakRam]

Rubber

[vcmswt]

vcmswt, thanks for the response.I was one that emailed your AU web site and never got a response. My question is, are both the 1900 and 2300 Maggie units mad from rubber or plastic like the OTR intake is made of?

Both are rubber BigV8. The 1900 is fronted with an extension (over and above that fitted to the 2300) that is of a slightly different rubber compound.

[VCMUSA]

Hey vcm,

I really need one of the brackets that mount/support the intake/radiator. I'm not sure if they are the same or not. I am missing one and not sure if it goes to a particular side. If possible I would like to just get the hardware kit so I know I have everything.

Thanks!

Tulsa,
I sent you an email last week but I haven't heard back from you. Please email me at
vcm-usa@hotmail.com and I will see what I can do to help you out. Pictures would help also.

[BlakRam]

Here's mine
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[LoPhatMelk]

VCM, adapter, and LS7 MAF card installed. Very happy with the looks of it.
Upon initial installation the adapter was rubbing on the pulley a tiny bit. Because the adapter is rubber it wore a tiny bit of it away. No big deal tho'. I was able to gain a little clearance by routing one of my 3/8" vacuum lines between the top of the radiator and the bottom of the VCM as a sort of "wedge". This "angled" the adapter up just enough to allow for about 1/4-1/2" of clearance between the adapter & pulley.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/14/ujudanu4.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/14/egabadu7.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/14/avyraduh.jpg

Hey Greg,

What did you use to mount the MAF card into the VCM maggie boot? Did yours come with screws/hardware?

-LPM

[skinsfangreg]

Hey Greg,

What did you use to mount the MAF card into the VCM maggie boot? Did yours come with screws/hardware?

-LPM

It didn't come with any screws so I just used some long sheet metal screws from my garage.