lets talk stall converters

[SS DAVE]

ive been agonising over putting in a stall converter ,this is my daily and i just couldnt live with a sloppy converter every day .ive herd that the new style converters are so tight they drive live stock converters untill you nail the throttle.which is what im after.so is that true ,tell me about your converter so i can make my mind up.
btw my ute is cammed etc,at this point im thinking a yank ss3200 or a circle d 3000

[shane]

i have a yank3200...

It isn't crazy but it also isn't tight like stock...More gas needs to be giving on takeoff and all the regular things that come along with a Higher Stall converter.

[JUICED1]

ive been agonising over putting in a stall converter ,this is my daily and i just couldnt live with a sloppy converter every day .ive herd that the new style converters are so tight they drive live stock converters untill you nail the throttle.which is what im after.so is that true ,tell me about your converter so i can make my mind up.
btw my ute is cammed etc,at this point im thinking a yank ss3200 or a circle d 3000

We carry Vigilante and have had good reports on them. If you keep it around 2800 RPM you won't feel that much of a differance in daily driving. Any thing above that will clearly be more noticeable but it all depends on what you can live with. Sounds like a 2800rpms is a good match fo you.

[TomPierce]

Anyone know what stock stall is?

[shane]

The highest mine would flash was 1300 STOCK

[I12XLR8]

OK. I have wanted to ask but didn't want to ask, if you know what I mean. How does a high stall convertor work? It has been recommended that I get one, maybe ever over a Camaro differential, but don't know enough about them to decide.

I think this fits in line with the OP's intentions...

[SS DAVE]

a standard stall is 1800 rpm i believe.the stall converter is like an auto clutch ,it will let the engine rev up to a certain rpm before appling drive,thats why you read 4000 rpm stall etc ,if you stand on the accelerater it lets the engine rev straight to 4000 rpm and then applies drive,if that makes sense.
i want a tight converter that feels like stock when normal driving no slippage and then flair straight to 3000 rpm when i stand on it.if that is possible

[JUICED1]

Just like manual transmission cars, cars with automatic transmissions need a way to let the engine turn while the wheels and gears in the transmission come to a stop. Manual transmission cars use a clutch, which completely disconnects the engine from the transmission. Automatic transmission cars use a torque converter.

A torque converter is a type of fluid coupling, which allows the engine to spin somewhat independently of the transmission. If the engine is turning slowly, such as when the car is idling at a stoplight, the amount of torque passed through the torque converter is very small, so keeping the car still requires only a light pressure on the brake pedal.

If you were to step on the gas pedal while the car is stopped, you would have to press harder on the brake to keep the car from moving. This is because when you step on the gas, the engine speeds up and pumps more fluid into the torque converter, causing more torque to be transmitted to the wheels.

[JUICED1]

There is a basic idea of how they work. Changing the correct parts will allow you to increase engine speed while still holding the car still with the brake (stalling it up).

[SS DAVE]

has anyone on here got a circle d 2500 rpm stage 1 single disc stall?and how does it drive

[Robert@KBXPerformance]

ive been agonising over putting in a stall converter ,this is my daily and i just couldnt live with a sloppy converter every day .ive herd that the new style converters are so tight they drive live stock converters untill you nail the throttle.which is what im after.so is that true ,tell me about your converter so i can make my mind up.
btw my ute is cammed etc,at this point im thinking a yank ss3200 or a circle d 3000


I run a Circle D 3000 stall, 258mm, triple disk in my G8. Just daily driving it around it is fairly mild. You can tell the engine is revving a little higher than with the stock converter when just lightly taking off from a stop but it is nothing really appreciable. I daily drive my G8 and don't have any issues with it.

[Habibus]

I have a circle D 2800 single disk. I drive the car the same way I always did, same amount of throttle when pulling away from a stop, etc. The biggest thing I notice are of course when you floor it how fast RPMS climb, and when driving around it seems to shift at the same RPM all the time, almost like driving a CVT. I like it though, I have been shying away from a stall since my 04 GTO but finally bit the bullet and decided to get one for the G8 for a good sized cam and I have no regrets.

[deputycrawford]

I have the Circle D 2800 stall 258 mm single disc. It dropped my car almost 7 tenths in the quarter, but I drive it everyday, and noticed a very little difference at part throttle. This is the third car i've had a stall in. You will simply love it.

Jerry

[I12XLR8]

I have the Circle D 2800 stall 258 mm single disc. It dropped my car almost 7 tenths in the quarter, but I drive it everyday, and noticed a very little difference at part throttle. This is the third car i've had a stall in. You will simply love it.

Jerry

7 tenths?!?!?! Really?!?!? I had no idea it gave so much...

[Daniel Linnett]

FTI is the only converter I will run in my G8....had one in each of my GTOs...They are awesome. Greg has an amazing crew and customerservice is top notch

[Circle-D]

Be glad to answer any question you have.....

Chris

[I12XLR8]

Be glad to answer any question you have.....

Chris

See post #14!

[Circle-D]

7 tenths?!?!?! Really?!?!? I had no idea it gave so much...

This is on the higher end of gains, but possible. We have done a full second in some situations....But that was on a radical cam with stock converter.

Chris

[mooredata]

Ditto on this post...I only look at 60ft time on a TQ install (3200 for me) and I only gained 2 tenths...7 tenths seems high to me for a 1/4...but cool for you..deputycrawford.
7 tenths?!?!?! Really?!?!? I had no idea it gave so much...

[svtcobra]

FTI 2800, could not be happier.

[SS DAVE]

do any of you guys have any videos of how your car drives with the converter.ive been serching you tube etc but havent really found anything .
chris will a circle d 3200 drive like a stock converter at part throttle,and only flair up at say half throttle or more .?

[Circle-D]

do any of you guys have any videos of how your car drives with the converter.ive been serching you tube etc but havent really found anything .
chris will a circle d 3200 drive like a stock converter at part throttle,and only flair up at say half throttle or more .?

It won't drive exactly like stock. But it is very very close, you will get used to it and think it is stock....

Chris

[wreckwriter]

Most converter are barely noticible during daily driving.

[deputycrawford]

I'm sorry, you're right. I had the headers and the converter installed at the same time. I can tell you that I have time slips that show pre converter, a 2.05 60 ft time, and post converter, consistent 1.77 60 ft times. Almost 3 tenths in just the first 60 ft is a huge difference. All runs were done on the original rims and tires.


Jerry

[rlwjr]

Has anyone checked their trans temperatures before and after a stall converter. I have been told that the 6AT in these cars run hot when stock, a converter would only make this worse shouldn't it???

What is a good external cooler to use on these?? I want to use AN hose ends and black hose, just for looks. I don't like those cheap bulk rubber hoses and clamps most coolers come with.

[Shawnc16]

I'm curious how much of a mpg loss there is running a 28-3000 stall.

[Steve GT]

do any of you guys have any videos of how your car drives with the converter.ive been serching you tube etc but havent really found anything .
chris will a circle d 3200 drive like a stock converter at part throttle,and only flair up at say half throttle or more .?

Here is one with my old cam that made subpar power/torque. The converter feels much tighter with the new cam.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsnCGSCTyMg

[I12XLR8]

Is there a mpg loss? I don't think I can handle many more fuel economy hits and still use this as a daily driver ;-(


I'm curious how much of a mpg loss there is running a 28-3000 stall.

[desertg8]

With a Yank Converter how do they go along with a pwm lockup? One mechanic told me they were not compatible. But Shane states all is well. With the new hp tuners software is all well with a yank on lock up?

[shane]

With a Yank Converter how do they go along with a pwm lockup? One mechanic told me they were not compatible. But Shane states all is well. With the new hp tuners software is all well with a yank on lock up?
Lock up where? WOT? PT? i have locked mine WOT PT and everything with no issues...I don't lock it anymore WOT though since ive gone with the procharger.

[AVIDMOTION]

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[desertg8]

Thanks for the insight Shane. I talked with Dave, the owner of Yank. He was very nice and super helpful. He told me pwm is no problem. And he will even send me a transmission tune at no cost for the g8 for this converter. He also talked me out of the pro version and into the ss version. He said for my purposes the ss is more than enough and will flash faster and higher to provide better performance. And to top it off he gave me ten percent off and will have it built and sent out within 3-5 days. I was just talking about partial throttle lockup. A mechanic told me he was having trouble with the pwm. He probably just did not have the knowledge to tune with hp tuners. I went with the 3600.

[shane]

Yea it has worked great with no issues on lockup.I have the SS3200.

[Robert@KBXPerformance]

A mechanic told me he was having trouble with the pwm. He probably just did not have the knowledge to tune with hp tuners. I went with the 3600.

Pretty much ANY normal mechanic, tech, or even master tech will have no idea of whats involved in the tuning to allow these cars to run a different TC.

[pha|anx]

Is there a mpg loss? I don't think I can handle many more fuel economy hits and still use this as a daily driver ;-(

x3... the fuel economy thing would be the big kicker in the decision making process. I've read a substantial fuel economy loss with the Camaro rear end gears, but obviously this wouldn't be that. I'm wondering what the mildest type of stall (say a 2500-2700) would drive like compared to the OE, and how much the of a hit if any you'd get in the fuel economy...?

I keep getting told a converter is exactly what I'd want, but not really knowing the difference is simply not understanding.

:shutup:

[desertg8]

if properly tuned you will not loose much on the street. you can do a partial lockup in 4th. i have seen some tunes with even a partial lockup in third. I was getting 18 in the city. With a cam and stall of 3600 I am getting 16. But some of that is definitely the cam.

On the freeway/highway you might get a little more mileage. It will be locked at partial throttle and you are spinning less mass.

It is just slightly sloppier from a start. You hardly notice it with all the tuning technology available to you. I am a rookie at the hp tuners and can do the basics.

Ramping up the tcc apply tables, zeroing out the slip tables , among other things will do wonders.

[RichsGreyGT]

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[Robert@KBXPerformance]

As previously mentioned fuel economy will no be affected much by a TC if the proper lockup tuning is done for it. Hell my G8 still gets right around 26 MPG and look at all it has done to it. It's all in the tune.

[iisme13]

i just bought a 3400 PI single disc converter, im planing on doing a big cam within the month so i hope buying a single dics was the right more. car might see 4 days at the track this year mostly dd and some MEXICO DRUG RUNNING
should i have gottten the muliti disc?

[desertg8]

A multi disc as explained to me by Dave at Yank would be overkill. Yes, it would be stronger. But it would slow me down. Unless I was making like 800 plus rear wheel horsepower.

Ummm, you will not catch me talking about drug running here in Tucson, joking or not. We have a horrible problem in Tucson with drug running, Fast and Furious, and the death of a border agent, Brian Terry.

[Robert@KBXPerformance]

i just bought a 3400 PI single disc converter, im planing on doing a big cam within the month so i hope buying a single dics was the right more. car might see 4 days at the track this year mostly dd and some MEXICO DRUG RUNNING
should i have gottten the muliti disc?


Most people will be better served with a single-disk TC on their G8. The main reason why you would want to run a triple is if you want the option of the TC being able to lockup while WOT and making big power. Most of us guys pushing 700+rwhp are running a triple if we are locking up at WOT. Not needed for power that is considerably under this threshold.

[iisme13]

Most people will be better served with a single-disk TC on their G8. The main reason why you would want to run a triple is if you want the option of the TC being able to lockup while WOT and making big power. Most of us guys pushing 700+rwhp are running a triple if we are locking up at WOT. Not needed for power that is considerably under this threshold.

Ok. Thanks.

[AVIDMOTION]

Revive this thread......I talked to Chris at circleD he recommended the 3000 rpm 278mm $500 tc for my DD with my mods. Does that sound about right? Looking for near stock drivability, reliability, and some extra thrust when needed. I am worried 3000 rpm may br a little high for my stock cam,rear and near stock heads. I have 1.85 ratio yella terra rollers and new springs, Push rods but other wise stock heads. Any thoughts?

[-Ray-]

Revive this thread......I talked to Chris at circleD he recommended the 3000 rpm 278mm $500 tc for my DD with my mods. Does that sound about right? Looking for near stock drivability, reliability, and some extra thrust when needed. I am worried 3000 rpm may br a little high for my stock cam,rear and near stock heads. I have 1.85 ratio yella terra rollers and new springs, Push rods but other wise stock heads. Any thoughts?

Travis just put this tc in his g8. He may be making more power than you though.

[travis gore]

That is the Tc that I am using. It starts pulling around 2k. Not sure what it really flashes at. I had trans problems after the new engine was installed. Trans has been rebuilt but to cold now for the tires to hold. We will see in the spring. It is going to be a loooong winter.

[AVIDMOTION]

How do you think it would be in mine with my mods?

[travis gore]

How do you think it would be in mine with my mods?

it will work fine. Any plans for a cam? I would go with the smallest stall that I could get away with. I went with a 3200 because of the cam in a 6.0 liter,now I could get away with a tight 2800 due to the increase in displacement.What about gears instead of a stall?

[AVIDMOTION]

Possible cam when car gets rebuilt in a few years, when needed. Trans needs rebuild 1st.

[texn884]

Ok what is a stall converter and what does it do? I know I know I Just Got To Know! Did he fire 5 or 6, got to love Dirty Harry

[Morphs]

I've got a yank ss3200 and it took a little while to get used to. Like mentioned above, it made the car feel heavier, and you need to give it more peddle while starting out. It was installed several thousand miles ago and at this point I can't tell the difference anymore. It feels completely normal now. I've even taught both my girls how to drive in my car, and they do just fine.

[GingerBeard Man]

Ok what is a stall converter and what does it do? I know I know I Just Got To Know! Did he fire 5 or 6, got to love Dirty Harry

it was explained a couple times in the beginning of the thread, please review the first couple pages