My driveway SUCKS. Any way to cope?

[Eidolon]

So I've gotten tired of the fender gaps on my GXP. Sitting in my garage, I swear it looks almost like a 4x4. Just an inch lower all around would help so much. Pedders SuperCar Coilover are somewhere near the end of my long list of planned mods, but they're too spendy at the moment. So I'd love to get a set of Eibach Pro-Kit springs. BUT...

This is my driveway on approach from the front. Less than an inch of clearance. I don't think I realized how close it was. I get someone large in the passenger seat and I scrape unless I make sure to depart at a steep angle.
http://eidolways.com/images/G8/driveway_front.jpg

Thought maaaybe I could just back it in. But this is the rear on approach. There's about a human hand's width between the diffuser and concrete.
http://www.eidolways.com/images/G8/driveway_rear.jpg

Anyone dealt with something like this before? Is there any way to get around this, to boost my entry angle a bit? The issue is just that first little bit, where the asphalt of my neighborhood street slopes down to the base of the driveway. The driveway, of course, then slopes sharply up.

[GeoffA]

Get 16 switches !!

Really that sucks, the only thing long term would be to fix the slope on the driveway. Just think, if you ever got a vette you'd be scrapping every day.

[texn884]

That sucks for sure

[Eidolon]

I forgot to mention, the house is a rental. Nooooo ... DRIVEWAY MODS FOR ME!

EDIT: I did just find this, though: http://www.bridjit.com/

[todds87ss]

those look like a good solution for a dip at the entrance. They will not fix an abrupt change in angle. If you posted up a pic, we might be able to suggest a temporary fix (probably similiar to the bridjit doo-dad, but made from wood). Same technology we use to get lowered cars onto the flatbed wrecker.

[Doug Hilliard]

Yup, bridjit made from treated wood might be just the ticket. 3/4" ply for the driving surface with ripped 2x's underneath to take up the space and allow water underneath. Sent you a PM on Monday btw.

[texn884]

Looks like a good option or I could clear out some room in my garage to park it in. :)

[Steve]

That's part of my problem driving around town being lowered & having the mid muffler.. there's some driveways I KNOW I just can't take.. even if I try the 'diagonal approach' thing.. sucks bad :(

[polo]

Would it help pouring some concrete or putting some gravel in the curb between your street and driveway?

[todds87ss]

Would it help pouring some concrete or putting some gravel in the curb between your street and driveway?

Rental....

[wreckwriter]

Mine scrapes every time. No biggie, its out of sight...

[polo]

Rental....

Gravel isn't permanent, and he could probably get the homeowner's permission to use concrete if he felt that would help out.

I had the same problem at another house I lived in with my Trans Am scraping. It had a gravel driveway so I just took some of the gravel from the top of the driveway and put it in dip in the curb and it helped out a lot. The gravel wouldn't last too long because it would always get washed away, so concrete would have worked better.

[Steve GT]

I'd move.

[Mier]

I thought I was obsessed with my cars and then I met Steve. I mean that in a nice way.

[xruling]

I thought I was obsessed with my cars and then I met Steve. I mean that in a nice way.
So, instead of being obsessed with your cars, you are now obssessed with Steve?

[JimmyJazz]

one of these? http://www.griotsgarage.com/product/in+your+garage/garage+accessories/curb+bridge.do

[texn884]

Love is in the air.

[Mier]

He has a z06 and a big lens.

[Eidolon]

Finally got some pics of the driveway entrance itself.

http://www.eidolways.com/images/G8/driveway_lip.jpg

http://www.eidolways.com/images/G8/driveway_lip_2.jpg

Though maybe I'd try it at an angle. That didn't work either!

http://www.eidolways.com/images/G8/car_on_approach.jpg

Still no clearance.

http://www.eidolways.com/images/G8/car_lip_at_angle.jpg

Dunno if I can use the curb gap filler. The suggestion to move may be my only option unless I can build something.

[kendall.alston]

i suggest you try this...its risky...but is worth a shot. The G8 WILL fit in the container...trust me.

http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j373/kendallalston/IF_Conex_Mover_1SG.jpg

[travis gore]

^ lol

air ride

[Adam]

I just bought bags of blacktop from Lowe's. Emptied out the bags on the road leading up to the driveway. Used a stamp to smash it in place. Then 30 min later I rounded my cul-de-sac like 5 times running it over with the passenger side each time. I know you said no driveway mods, this is more of a street mod. And the only way to get the right angle and slope leading to the driveway. Plus a pick axe will get it right up, or large hammer/pry bar/ etc. Mine was closer then yours. Not much more then a thumb under the back, and the front would not clear at all. Damn PA hills. And I live at the top of the one in my neighborhood.

I have tried those ramps before and two things happened. Worked well for a while with my last car in Florida. the fact that you can adjust them is great, and leave them in place. My FL driveway was 2 car wide and about 20 cars long. I could pretty easily park 34 cars trucks and vans in it (plus 5 car garage). The downside is, even though they are rubber there is a good size hole on the bottom for water so less ground contact. This caused a sag when driving over it, which you lose some of the clearance you thought you had. And if you give it the gas, you can kick it out like a plank to a ramp. Then it was stolen. No way to secure the product to the ground. It does not weigh much and might take all of 20 seconds for someone to hop out of their truck, grab it and go. I lived in a really good Orlando neighborhood and it still happened. You put something that close to the road, and people get brave because it becomes tempting.

If you don't want to modify the driveway... Then you could be "flippin' switches and pickin' up bitches" with air ride. some of the best cornering cars out there have either a magnetic ride or an air ride suspension. Feel like a sports car and make it fun. Have your 85 year old grandmother in the car and make it drive like a Caddy. Leaving a gas station or parking lot and you have to drive off the end of the earth, jack it up. Parking it at a car show, sit it on the ground.

Looking at your pics, in most states it is required by the township that the heigh of the black top meets the same height as the driveway. They would have to go another 2-3 feet in towards the driveway to level it off. I would ask the owner about that. It costs the owner nothing and may help solve your problem.

Other option is to move out when the lease is up, find a new place that will take your suspension and then do the install. Sometimes the mods we want, have to wait (even if we can afford to do them then.

Anyway, feel free to post other comments, I have done this with 2 houses. Try having a with Grand Am with 20K worth of work done to it. A urethane body kit that sticks out 4" past stock and not even 4" off the ground. With the tire as far back as it was and the center being the most stuck out part, it became more challenging then getting my Corvette with its lower plastic air dam in and out of the same places.

To show the kit only 3.8" off the ground.
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1377/4461/3442230176_large.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1377/4461/3442230171_large.jpg

[terryscott621]

You could buy an abs plastic diffuser for the front bumper like this (http://www.g8forum.com/forums/f39/g8-flat-front-bumper-splitter-969/) one.

[Mier]

You could buy an abs plastic diffuser for the front bumper like this (http://www.g8forum.com/forums/f39/g8-flat-front-bumper-splitter-969/) one.

Website is blank...guess they don't make them anymore.

[terryscott621]

Website is blank...guess they don't make them anymore.

The website is down, but you can PM bohnman on here. He still makes them in small quantities I believe. I was looking into getting one not too long ago and he told me he was still making them.

[MyGrayG8]

Had similar issue with my splashguards scraping on my driveway when I backed in. But, since I own the house, I replaced the entire driveway (It was getting old anyways). Good luck, I tried the gravel and boards to no avail.

[Eidolon]

It just occurred to me that it might be OK if my car scrapes if I cover the bumper with something first. If I get a roll of aluminum flashing from Lowes, I may be able to cut that into lengthy sheets that I can fold over the front edge of the bumper, tape into place with something like gaffer's tape, and then remove once I'm out. I dunno if tape would hold, but if it does or if I can jury-rig something, this may be simpler than modifying my driveway or building a ramp. I'll let you guys know, but I definitely want to do something about the ride height of my car. The ride height, front-end popping, and wheel hop are the three biggest things bugging me right now.

Funny, when someone gets miffed with enough things wrong about their car, they usually go buy another car. Me? Nope! Time to spend money and fix it by hand! This site has definitely had an effect on me! :drunk::bleh:

[Adam]

^ sounds like a really bad idea. Get air ride, will fix the wheel hop and your height issues.

How do you plan to attach metal flashing to the car without doing more damage? Wouldnt it stick out like a sore thumb. During driving, would wind get between it and the bumper and rip off, whistle, or at least bend out of shape without being attached in the front? If you attach the front, you would be doing damage to the bumper as well. Save up and skip a set of springs. Then you can slam the car down while driving to your hearts content. If you have had air ride you will love it. Problem is, many people are intimidated by it that have never used it before. Springss will not fix the wheel hop. I am not sure that any aftermarket drop offers a firmer then OE feel, just a cut spring. It is your car, so do with it what you want. But flashing underneath is replacing one problem with a new one.

[Eidolon]

^ sounds like a really bad idea. Get air ride, will fix the wheel hop and your height issues.

How do you plan to attach metal flashing to the car without doing more damage? Wouldnt it stick out like a sore thumb. During driving, would wind get between it and the bumper and rip off, whistle, or at least bend out of shape without being attached in the front? If you attach the front, you would be doing damage to the bumper as well. Save up and skip a set of springs. Then you can slam the car down while driving to your hearts content. If you have had air ride you will love it. Problem is, many people are intimidated by it that have never used it before. Springss will not fix the wheel hop. I am not sure that any aftermarket drop offers a firmer then OE feel, just a cut spring. It is your car, so do with it what you want. But flashing underneath is replacing one problem with a new one.

I must need to work on my clarity. Clarification!

Fix for the wheel-hop issue is as follows: new rear bushings, new rear trailing arm and toe rod and lower control arm, new rear axles. I won't be trying to fix wheel hop with springs, and I doubt any amount of change in dampers or spring rates would fix this. It would only change the hop frequency.

Fix for the front-end pop? Not sure, but it's likely new front LCA's.

My complaint about the ride height is only the height and not the stiffness of the springs. When it comes time to fix that, I'll get a set of Pedders SuperCar Coilovers. But since those are almost $4000 for a full set, they're pretty far down on my list, past engine mods. So the "fix" for the height is just new springs. I know it'll wear out my dampers more quickly, but hopefully by the time they give out, it'll be time for the Pedders coilovers. Plus I'm only looking for about an inch in drop.

Dropping the ride height with springs brings the slope of my driveway up as a problem. I wouldn't be able to enter and exit my own driveway without scraping the bumper. I'm not worried about other locations, just my own driveway. As such, the idea would be to keep some flashing around to attach only for exiting and entering my own driveway. It would be removed once my car was out or in and would not be kept on for actual driving. In short, it would absorb the scraping instead of the plastic. Hence why I'm wondering if I couldn't use gaffer's tape, which is duct tape that uses a synthetic adhesive, so it doesn't leave a residue like duct tape.

[Adam]

the idea would be to keep some flashing around to attach only for exiting and entering my own driveway. It would be removed once my car was out or in and would not be kept on for actual driving. In short, it would absorb the scraping instead of the plastic. Hence why I'm wondering if I couldn't use gaffer's tape, which is duct tape that uses a synthetic adhesive, so it doesn't leave a residue like duct tape.

I can only picture having to get out of my car every time before I leave or come home to prep my car for the driveway. In rain and snow, and any other nasty weather this would be a mess. Bringing a lady friend home and telling her to wait while you get ready to make the driveway work for the car. I would think you would spend a lot of time and some money to find this option does not work. If you scrape or put pressure on your home built skid plate, I would think it would rip through the tape and leave you dragging flashing up and down the driveway. But maybe you could make this work.

I think even buying 1-2 bags of black top so you can enter at an angle is a better idea. Then break it up before you move (not too hard to do). Will save time and money in the long run and should allow you to get your drop.

[todds87ss]

It does sound like you are a great candidate for Air Ride suspension. Costly, but it will save you a grand every time you want to fix body work. You can be as low as you want, and still be able to raise it to clear the driveway.

[Eidolon]

I can only picture having to get out of my car every time before I leave or come home to prep my car for the driveway. In rain and snow, and any other nasty weather this would be a mess. Bringing a lady friend home and telling her to wait while you get ready to make the driveway work for the car. I would think you would spend a lot of time and some money to find this option does not work. If you scrape or put pressure on your home built skid plate, I would think it would rip through the tape and leave you dragging flashing up and down the driveway. But maybe you could make this work.
... You, sir, make a darn good point. For snow, I've got an all-wheel-drive beater. In more normal weather, however, if I had a lady friend with me, I would take the 8. And in rain, I wouldn't want to have to attach said flashing. It wouldn't stick in the rain, either!


I think even buying 1-2 bags of black top so you can enter at an angle is a better idea. Then break it up before you move (not too hard to do). Will save time and money in the long run and should allow you to get your drop.
I'll have to check into this. Something like this (http://www.lowes.com/pd_218577-36498-MRN03_0__?productId=1060837&Ntt=blacktop&pl=1&currentURL=%2Fpl__0__s%3FNtt%3Dblacktop&facetInfo=)?


It does sound like you are a great candidate for Air Ride suspension. Costly, but it will save you a grand every time you want to fix body work. You can be as low as you want, and still be able to raise it to clear the driveway.
Mostly, I'm impatient. There's no reason I NEED to do the springs right now. But if I can find some way to make them work, I'd like to. Correct me if I'm wrong, but air ride also works by inflating air bags that replace the springs, but the dampers themselves aren't adjustable. If that's the case, I'd prefer to wait for adjustable dampers with static-height springs. That may just mean waiting, period.

[sdown]

You should just sell me that GXP and rid yourself of all these headaches. My driveway is GXP friendly.:thumbsup:

[Adam]

That is the black top stuff I am talking about. This info was taken from another site. "Ride height is just one suspension aspect that can be altered "on the fly" with an air suspension, and racers of all stripes can benefit from having what amounts to infinitely, instantly adjustable spring rates on all four corners. Whether it’s a hot street car, drag car, classic muscle car, race car hauler, or open track car, RideTech offers a system for you. Bicknell told us, “The biggest advantage by far is that the air suspension gives you adjustability that a static suspension cannot. You can adjust for load, road conditions, ride quality, and handling preference.”

Handling: Most air springs are progressive, meaning the more they compress, the stiffer they get. Combining this progressive rate with in-car adjustment and you can see the performance potential. Per Bicknell, “Again, with a tunable air suspension, you can adjust spring rate of the car on the fly. If you're drag racing, you can preload one side versus the other for more consistent launches, I have guys drag racing in sportsman classes and outlaw classes with our ShockWaves. One even has the air suspension tied into his timing delay box, and it is changing the attitude of the car making a pass at the track.”

Tuning: Bicknell told us, “The spring rate of an ai rspring is derived from the amount of air that is displaced inside the spring. The more air, the higher the spring rate. You will hear the common argument, ‘well, I want to stiffen the suspension up but I don’t want to raise the car up’. If the suspension is set up properly, you can actually make small PSI adjustments from your average ride height pressure, and you are making changes in the spring rate without aesthetically affecting the height of the vehicle. Now, with large changes in pressure you will see altitude changes with the vehicle. It’s at that point where an adjustable shock needs to be used to start fine-tuning the suspension.”

Ride Height: “The majority of our engineered systems are designed to lower the ride height of a vehicle between 2-3 inches”, Bicknell said. Lowered ride height means a lower center of gravity and better handling, but unlike conventional lowering springs, an air system lets you raise the car up again at the touch of a button. If you've ever tried to get a lowered car onto a trailer or across a steep curb cut, you'll really appreciate this aspect of air suspension.

Weight: It's commonly assumed that adding an air suspension and the related compressor and plumbing adds pounds to the vehicle, but per Bicknell, nothing could be farther from the truth. “I love this one! Air springs are actually lighter than coil springs or leaf springs all day long. In one changeover we did, even with the addition of the compressor system, the car shed over 80 pounds!”

The Shockwave incorporates a spring and shock in one unit. They are offered in a variety of applications, with single- or double-adjustable dampers and even external reservoirs.

The Strut Alternative - AirStruts

The MacPherson strut design, which combines the spring, damper, and upper steering pivot into a single unit, is popular on everything from imports to Corvettes, and these air struts give a complete bolt-and-go solution. They use the same concept behind the standard Shockwave with an internal damper that is surrounded by an air bag in a billet strut. The kits come with camber plates in many applications and can lower the vehicle by up to 4 inches.

[todds87ss]

I just got off the phone with the Ride Tech folks. They are working on the G8 kit, but are not sure when it will be ready (If the swaybar timeframe is any indication, 6 months at the earliest). The kit should be one air bag at each corner (no need for a strut), fully adjustable with controls. Their kits have a very good reputation for handling, so I suspect they will easily outhandle coilovers, with adjustability from the drivers seat. However, since it is not available, it is of no use to you now.

[Eidolon]

... Dang and wow. With your descriptions above, I'm seriously wondering if this isn't the way to go. Especially if the dampers are also adjustable. Middling ride height for getting around and then drop it for track use and stiffen the dampers. I guess I wait! I'm guessing the price range would be somewhere between $4000 and $5000? Any guesses?

[Steve GT]

I want a ridetech kit for my car. Sounds like it may never come out though. I had air ride technologies parts on my old truck and wouldn't hesitate using their stuff again. I'd ditch my coilovers in a second for a quality air kit!

[Mier]

air bags


on a corvette


:facepalm:

[todds87ss]

... Dang and wow. With your descriptions above, I'm seriously wondering if this isn't the way to go. Especially if the dampers are also adjustable. Middling ride height for getting around and then drop it for track use and stiffen the dampers. I guess I wait! I'm guessing the price range would be somewhere between $4000 and $5000? Any guesses?

Somewhere in the 3K range for the upper level kit would be my guess.

[Slizzo]

2"x4" or 2"x6" not work for you as a quick temporary fix?

[todds87ss]

2"x4" or 2"x6" not work for you as a quick temporary fix?
that was my first thought, also. Then I thought - I would be very unhappy if one tire caught one end of the wood, and the other end kicked up and trashed my bumper.

[Slizzo]

that was my first thought, also. Then I thought - I would be very unhappy if one tire caught one end of the wood, and the other end kicked up and trashed my bumper.

I guess it really depends on how long of a board you can get your hands on and if it would butt up against the "curb" of the end of the driveway. I believe he might have a curve and not a straight edge at the bottom of his driveway?

In that case some of that asphalt-in-a-bag and a good 20lbs stamper would make good as a temporary fix. I can't see the property owner being upset that you're pretty much improving the house...

[Eidolon]

Question is, doing the blacktop, would I need to run some hoses or pipe underneath it to let water flow through? Otherwise it'd act like a mini-dam. If I can do it relatively cheaply and easily, though, then there wouldn't be much reason not to. With springs at just $260, I could toss 'em in as a stopgap until I got something more advanced. I can always ask my landlord and see what he says.

EDIT: As for the 2"x4", the concrete right at the base of the driveway is still sloped gently enough that I wouldn't really trust the boards to stay put. Especially on exit.

[todds87ss]

plus, if the thievin' bastages would steal the fancy schmancy rubber ramps, you know they would steal 2x4s...just sayin.

[TomPierce]

Just a question - if you were to back into the driveway, would you scrape on the way out?

[Adam]

Question is, doing the blacktop, would I need to run some hoses or pipe underneath it to let water flow through? Otherwise it'd act like a mini-dam. If I can do it relatively cheaply and easily, though, then there wouldn't be much reason not to. .

2 bags of the stuff may put your wheel up an 1" if you spread it out. If you do the edge at an angle it will flow around everything just fine. The black top will run you ~$10 for 2 bags

As far as the air bag kit goes, I would think $2300-3000 and would put money on it out cornering $3000 worth of other suspension work. Even with a tank I would guess that it weighs less overall as well.

[macvangelist]

I feel your pain. Our driveway is about as steep as a steep parking garage ramp. It's a pain in the butt in the winter. Most every car scrapes on our driveway unless you go up/down at a sharp 45 degree angle.

[Eidolon]

plus, if the thievin' bastages would steal the fancy schmancy rubber ramps, you know they would steal 2x4s...just sayin.
Yup, and the last thing I want to be doing with thieves is give them wood. *nods*

[todds87ss]

Just another thought (and a selfish one at that)...if everyone who was interested in Ride Tech kit for the G8 would call them, they might get the message. Their phone number is 812-481-4787.

[Eidolon]

Just a question - if you were to back into the driveway, would you scrape on the way out?

I think I would. Picture:
http://www.eidolways.com/images/G8/driveway/downhillchin.jpg

And that's with no one in the car. Backing the picture out, though, I think the way this driveway is made would actually lend itself VERY well to a few bags of blacktop.

http://www.eidolways.com/images/G8/driveway/downhill.jpg

There's two angles there, to the left and right of the center. The blacktop to the left arcs down to meet the base of the driveway, which slopes gently up before breaking to another angle that slopes severely up. The issue is the cup shape that forms. Raising that center portion would help. Especially since I'm not the only one that scrapes, as evidenced by damage to the concrete:

http://www.eidolways.com/images/G8/driveway/scrape.jpg

Alternatively, I think I spoke too early on ruling out some planks of wood. That center bar would actually nearly perfectly cradle a small piece of wood, like so. I just happened to have this piece of wood on hand from the bottom of a cheap door, and it was almost the perfect length.

http://www.eidolways.com/images/G8/driveway/2by4.jpg

Front shot. Kinda hard to tell, but the driver side is slightly higher. So a 2"x6" cut to length to match that center section, with another slightly longer 2"x6" on top of that could actually work very well.

http://www.eidolways.com/images/G8/driveway/frontwith2by4.jpg

[Adam]

I have seen so many pieces of lumber shoot out fromm under cars in my life, its not even funny. Good luck with whatever you decide. Let us know if/what works out.

[Slizzo]

I would have wanted to stack something lengthwise the whole width of the driveway, but everyone is right, it would probably be picked up by someone less honest.

Still think either blacktop or air ride would be your answer; only blacktop would solve the issue for everyone however.


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[Eidolon]

So I think I have a workaround that I can continue to use if my landlord nixes the blacktop. I took a few measurements on my driveway and then ran to Lowes. There, I bought a 2"x10"x12' board from Lowes, had them chop it into four sections to the lengths I wanted, and then bought some 2x1/2" stainless wood screws. I put together some ramps that get me some more height.

One of the ramps:
http://www.eidolways.com/images/G8/driveway/woodramp.jpg

The clearance that these ramps get me:
http://www.eidolways.com/images/G8/driveway/woodrampclearance.jpg

Pleeenty of space. Best of all, this little assembly cost me less than $20. :) Downside A is that the wood is so wet that they weigh a good 30-35 pounds apiece. I need to get some handles for them. Downside B...


I have seen so many pieces of lumber shoot out fromm under cars in my life, its not even funny. Good luck with whatever you decide. Let us know if/what works out.
The rear wheels did kick one out on me. Nothing went awry, thankfully, and the rear doesn't need the clearance, anyway. So what I can do is roll the front up the ramps, pull them out, then just head on up the driveway. It's really only the front bumper that's a problem. That it comes to a point makes it the perfect target for steep driveways.

This little shot of the front fender gap may also demonstrate why I'm so eager to do something.

By the way, guys, thanks for all the feedback and suggestions! :) I'll post up in here if I'm able to and decide to do the blacktop.

[M23G8GT]

Griots garage sells something similar to the bridge-it thing or it may be the same

http://www.griotsgarage.com/product/curb+bridge.do?sortby=ourPicks

[M23G8GT]

plus, if the thievin' bastages would steal the fancy schmancy rubber ramps, you know they would steal 2x4s...just sayin.

Secure that with some anchor bolts or a Hilti and call it good

[Eidolon]

Guess I never updated this. Oddly enough, it didn't end up being an issue. In fact, despite the drop with the Eibachs, I maintained roughly the same clearance. I have no idea how that works, but... there you go. Stiffer springs, maybe?

[LS1_Disciple]

Guess I never updated this. Oddly enough, it didn't end up being an issue. In fact, despite the drop with the Eibachs, I maintained roughly the same clearance. I have no idea how that works, but... there you go. Stiffer springs, maybe?

I suppose you could offer this up as proof that the world does, in fact, revolve around G8s. When you lowered your car, the Earth lowered itself to compensate :)

[Eidolon]

I suppose as you could offer this up as proof that the world does, in fact, revolve around G8s. When you lowered your car, the Earth lowered itself to compensate :)
... Sir? I like the way you think.

[Bo White]

Your driveway sux? Mine is 1/4 mile of dirt and gravel. As a matter of fact Im redoing it this week because of my recent purchase of this car and it will be crushed stone by the end of the week(hopefully). I used to drive Dodge HEMI ram and didnt give a.... but now I have changed my ways lol.

[g8 george]

try hydro's bro, and some wire wheel !!!! :)))))))))) Just kidding park on the street if you have too, the car looks good low

[Eidolon]

I actually don't even live at this house anymore, so it's a moot point. :) Then again, I now live in an apartment. It's nice, but I AM starting to miss that house... It was a rental, though, so it's not like I owned it.

[JimmyJazz]

I saw this video and thought of this thread. iTGR6IAYQAc&feature

[Eidolon]

... Too far, man. That's just too far. Street Sweeper, indeed! Go over a speed bump and he'd be stuck see-sawing!

[TooManyHobbies]

I hope that is not a daily driver.