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BlueJacket

12-27-2008, 02:05 PM

Hit up Crazy Paul for these Holden covers.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/bluejacket651/G8%20GT/IMG_7340.jpg

wreckwriter

12-27-2008, 02:05 PM

don't want covers, want the actual rails.

TheTugBoat

12-27-2008, 02:06 PM

goin with FAST?

BlueJacket

12-27-2008, 02:06 PM

lol sorry miss read. Added covers in my head I guess.

wreckwriter

12-27-2008, 02:10 PM

goin with FAST?

Dunno, looking for options.

-Ray-

12-27-2008, 02:10 PM

I'm going to have my fuel rail powder coated. I've got it all apart now, just need to remove the fuel line.

G8GTlawride

12-27-2008, 05:53 PM

goin with FAST?

???FAST??? What is this?

Andy@Livernois

12-27-2008, 06:04 PM

we have used the aeromotive 14114 rails numerous times... depending on the injector a spacer might be needed, but the brackets are in the right spot...

Crazy Paul

12-27-2008, 06:41 PM

We use the LS2 type, right?

Yes.

This pic shows a stock L76/LS2 fuel rail on top of an LS1 style intake manifold. Notice the 4 mounting brackets don't line up.

So a billet fuel rail to suit your LS3 intake will look similar to an LS1 rail, but the bracket spacings and heights will be different.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/fuel20rail20FAST60020800.jpg

Steve

12-27-2008, 08:44 PM

I have the 'professional products' LS1 (i think?) rails which actually seem to line up in 1 spot but not the other. Also because of the injector height the brackets they provide just don't fit (makes it sit too high). Nothing some 90 degree aluminum-rail turned into custom brackets won't fix.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y71/losiguy/ls2intakefuelrail.jpg

TheTugBoat

12-28-2008, 02:16 AM

fast = fuel air spark technology. just a vendor for various products

99-LS1-SS

12-28-2008, 06:01 AM

Do the fuel rails increase power or are they a show mod?

Andy@Livernois

12-28-2008, 07:06 AM

Do the fuel rails increase power or are they a show mod?

show mod... they would increase power once you reach the capacity of the stock rail... which is approx 750 rwhp

wreckwriter

01-04-2009, 06:39 AM

This system would work, yes?

http://performanceparts.com/part.php?partID=290745&ref=streetp&dpi=461647

maybe not, see next post...

wreckwriter

01-04-2009, 06:43 AM

-Ray-

01-04-2009, 07:07 AM

I have my original fuel rail at the powder coaters now. I'll have it back next week and I'll post pics. It's getting coated Torch Red.

Steve

01-04-2009, 03:32 PM

Just checked and I have the 10612 - look just the same though :)
It's just a matter of fabricating the correct brackets for it.

wreckwriter

01-04-2009, 03:38 PM

Just checked and I have the 10612 - look just the same though :)
It's just a matter of fabricating the correct brackets for it.

thanks Steve!

wreckwriter

01-04-2009, 04:24 PM

I have my original fuel rail at the powder coaters now. I'll have it back next week and I'll post pics. It's getting coated Torch Red.

How hard was it to get the line off Ray, the one that needs the special tool?

GeorgeInNePa

01-04-2009, 04:30 PM

You should be able to get that tool at your local Advance Auto/O'Reiley's/etc.

wreckwriter

01-04-2009, 04:32 PM

You should be able to get that tool at your local Advance Auto/O'Reiley's/etc.

Probably so, found tons of them on the net, cheap. Just not sure how to use it.

GeorgeInNePa

01-04-2009, 05:00 PM

Tom, I honestly didn't look at it, is it like the Ford style spring locked ones?

Tomorrow I'll take a look at mine, it can't be too tough to figure out.

wreckwriter

01-04-2009, 05:18 PM

Tom, I honestly didn't look at it, is it like the Ford style spring locked ones?

Tomorrow I'll take a look at mine, it can't be too tough to figure out.

Yea, I think its just a matter of closing the tool on the line and sliding the ears into the fitting. I have one coming, will figure it out.

GRRRR8

01-04-2009, 06:05 PM

Yea, I think its just a matter of closing the tool on the line and sliding the ears into the fitting. I have one coming, will figure it out.

That is correct. VERY self explanatory.

GeorgeInNePa

01-04-2009, 07:51 PM

That is correct. VERY self explanatory.

So it is like the old Ford style? Ok.

GRRRR8

01-04-2009, 07:56 PM

So it is like the old Ford style? Ok.

Same tool too.

Robert@KBXPerformance

01-04-2009, 09:11 PM

So it is like the old Ford style? Ok.

The springlocks aren't really limited to Ford anymore. Many manufacturers use springlocks to attach the fuel lines to the rails.

GeorgeInNePa

01-04-2009, 09:22 PM

The springlocks aren't really limited to Ford anymore. Many manufacturers use springlocks to attach the fuel lines to the rails.

Yea, but that's where I first ran across them, so I see that style of connector and think "Ford".

:)

Robert@KBXPerformance

01-04-2009, 10:45 PM

Yea, but that's where I first ran across them, so I see that style of connector and think "Ford".

:)

Thats cool. I do the same thing with other items. I always associate Kenne Bell superchargers as belonging on Ford's more than any other manufacturer vehicle.

-Ray-

01-05-2009, 04:05 AM

How hard was it to get the line off Ray, the one that needs the special tool?

With the proper tool pretty easy. Once you slide the tool into the fitting, it helps if you push and tug. There is a slight pressure to get it out though. It's not like it slides right off, you do have to tug a little.

wreckwriter

01-05-2009, 04:15 AM

With the proper tool pretty easy. Once you slide the tool into the fitting, it helps if you push and tug. There is a slight pressure to get it out though. It's not like it slides right off, you do have to tug a little.

Thanks. Any other tips to rail removal?

-Ray-

01-05-2009, 04:26 AM

Thanks. Any other tips to rail removal?

I pulled all the injectors 1st. I didn't want to bang them around. Be careful if there is any pressure on the fuel rail. The 1st injector will pop out after you get the keeper off. Don't ask me how I know. :)

Robert@KBXPerformance

01-05-2009, 07:12 AM

I pulled all the injectors 1st. I didn't want to bang them around. Be careful if there is any pressure on the fuel rail. The 1st injector will pop out after you get the keeper off. Don't ask me how I know. :)

The pressure should have already been relieved if you have disconnected the springlock on the fuel line.

-Ray-

01-05-2009, 09:19 AM

The pressure should have already been relieved if you have disconnected the springlock on the fuel line.

I pulled all the injectors 1st. You must have missed that.

Robert@KBXPerformance

01-05-2009, 10:23 AM

I pulled all the injectors 1st. You must have missed that.

I guess I did.

wreckwriter

01-08-2009, 03:31 PM

My rails arrived today. Looking good. Waiting on a few hose parts prior to install. Install likely next weekend.

BSmith

01-08-2009, 05:28 PM

Anyone that decides to use the Performance Products fuel rail setup PLEASE check your AN crossover line. The one that I installed on my car today has a leak on the 90* fitting on one side. The leak is at at the junction that allows the hose to spin freely of the fitting. When I apply pressure to the hose with my hand, it leaks.

A couple new AN branded fittings should solve the issue. The fittings that come with this are junk compared to the real ones.

I don't want to see anyone's car have any problems due to a fuel leak.

Crazy Paul

01-08-2009, 05:42 PM

I don't want to see anyone's car have any problems due to a fuel leak.

Yes I noticed a few complaints over at ls1.tech.com about the PP rails ages ago. I thought it was more to do with poorly machined threads back then. Whatever it was....leaks were the result.

wreckwriter

01-08-2009, 05:47 PM

I'm going to make a new crossover hose for mine before I even try installing. Thanks for the heads up Brett.

wreckwriter

01-08-2009, 06:06 PM

Fittings ordered.

wreckwriter

01-11-2009, 06:24 AM

I've decided to replace all the fittings on this thing. Hope to install next weekend.

-Ray-

01-11-2009, 06:33 AM

I didn't realize you were getting a fuel rail. Falling farther behind.

wreckwriter

01-11-2009, 06:59 AM

I didn't realize you were getting a fuel rail. Falling farther behind.

but you're miles ahaed in suspension stuff.

Robert@KBXPerformance

01-13-2009, 08:18 PM

I didn't realize you were getting a fuel rail. Falling farther behind.

...he may need two of those... :poke:

wreckwriter

01-13-2009, 08:33 PM

...he may need two of those... :poke:

I have 2 :)

SpectreG8GT

01-14-2009, 02:26 AM

anybody got pics yet of the completed swap?

wreckwriter

01-15-2009, 12:58 PM

Well, now I'm convinced. Performance Products fuel rails are JUNK. Threads galled on the first fitting I put in. I'm really glad these were cheap; now I know why.

Anyone tried Aeromotive 14114 rails?

http://www.exoticperformanceplus.com/performance_parts/index.html?item=740

Crazy Paul

01-15-2009, 01:07 PM

Well, now I'm convinced. Performance Products fuel rails are JUNK. Threads galled on the first fitting I put in. I'm really glad these were cheap; now I know why.

See Post #39

:wacko:

wreckwriter

01-15-2009, 01:13 PM

See Post #39

:wacko:

I did. I had hoped for better luck! Know anything about the Aeromotive rails?

GRRRR8

01-15-2009, 01:34 PM

That kit wont work. You may call them and see if they have LS3 rails available that can be used with our factory fuel lines.

wreckwriter

01-15-2009, 01:37 PM

That kit wont work. You may call them and see if they have LS3 rails available that can be used with our factory fuel lines.

I already have the adapters and lines to make the factory line into a -8 AN. Any other reason it won't work?

GRRRR8

01-15-2009, 01:51 PM

The LS2 injector height and mounting locations from what I have read.

wreckwriter

01-15-2009, 01:58 PM

we have used the aeromotive 14114 rails numerous times... depending on the injector a spacer might be needed, but the brackets are in the right spot...

Andy, will these work for stock height G8 injectors without a spacer?

wreckwriter

01-15-2009, 02:00 PM

The LS2 injector height and mounting locations from what I have read.

Andy says the brackets are right, just gotta figure out if a spacer is needed and, if so, where to get.

BSmith

01-15-2009, 02:04 PM

The Performance Products ones were for an LS2 also I believe. If they worked, the Aeromotive one SHOULD. If your luck is as bad as mine though...

wreckwriter

01-15-2009, 02:11 PM

The Performance Products ones were for an LS2 also I believe. If they worked, the Aeromotive one SHOULD. If your luck is as bad as mine though...

My luck is on a big downturn lately. I'm due for a win.

Andy@Livernois

01-15-2009, 02:20 PM

you are lucky I have a 404 here w/ an L76 intake and some FAST direct fit LS2 injectors... I will be back in a few with your answer :D

wreckwriter

01-15-2009, 02:22 PM

You da man :)

Steve

01-15-2009, 02:50 PM

oh sorry to hear that wreck! that sucks... after this I won't even bother putting mine on..

wreckwriter

01-15-2009, 02:55 PM

oh sorry to hear that wreck! that sucks... after this I won't even bother putting mine on..

That's what happens when you buy cheap shit. I knew better.

Andy@Livernois

01-15-2009, 03:04 PM

ok... the stock L76 injector is too short for those rails... they would fit perfectly with the "truck" injector (which is smack dab in the middle of an LS2 height and the L76/LS3/LS7 height) if you use an LS2 injector you would need a spacer approx 1/2 inch thick to work correctly... If you wanted to use the stock L76 injectors you would have to use the 14115 rails... IIRC they run ~220 for those.

Now just like the other aeromotive rails these take AN thread w/ o-ring fittings, NOT NPT... so leaking shouldn't happen, but the fittings aren't cheap either... :(

wreckwriter

01-15-2009, 03:12 PM

Thanks Andy. So, the 14115 will fit properly?

Andy@Livernois

01-15-2009, 03:16 PM

yes, I verified with Brett @ aeromotive just moments ago... they are working on a "direct fit" kit that comes with lines, fittings, etc... but right now it can be pieced together...

wreckwriter

01-15-2009, 03:20 PM

yes, I verified with Brett @ aeromotive just moments ago... they are working on a "direct fit" kit that comes with lines, fittings, etc... but right now it can be pieced together...

That's cool. Summitt has the fittings, I can get the rails direct from Aeromotive. thanks for your help!

Andy@Livernois

01-15-2009, 03:24 PM

That's cool. Summitt has the fittings, I can get the rails direct from Aeromotive. thanks for your help!

hey you know we sell parts too :poke:

wreckwriter

01-15-2009, 03:27 PM

hey you know we sell parts too :poke:

Got stock?

wreckwriter

01-15-2009, 03:33 PM

My calculations say I need:

AEI-14115 - rails (1)

AEI-15607 -Fitting, Straight, Male -8 AN to Straight Cut Male -8 AN O-Ring (3)

AEI-15637 - Fitting, Hex Head Port Plug, -8 AN O-Ring, 1/8 in. Femaile NPT Port (1)

Andy@Livernois

01-15-2009, 03:35 PM

all of the system is shut down, i can access it in the AM for you... can it wait till then?

wreckwriter

01-15-2009, 03:37 PM

all of the system is shut down, i can access it in the AM for you... can it wait till then?

Sure. No point ordering at night anyway. I'll PM you my phone number.

Robert@KBXPerformance

01-17-2009, 08:26 AM

I did. I had hoped for better luck! Know anything about the Aeromotive rails?

I have built quite a few custom fuel systems using Aeromotive equipment before. Very good stuff and you will not have to worry about the fit or finish. Top quality.