Better Brakes On A Budget

[SRG963]

Ordered everything from Greg at Pace Performance (-Pads), here's my list.

Russell G8 SS Brake Hose Kit P/N - RUS692210 - $125
Russell speed bleeders P/N - RUS639560 - $20 (2 pair at $10 each)

The front brakes get upgraded a bit.
*This upgrade requires aftermarket wheels or wheel spacers to clear the larger calipers.

Front Calipers (2007 CTS-V Brembo (G8GT Upgrade to 4 piston front)
Front Caliper - P/N 89047726 - ($156.73)
Front Caliper - P/N 89047727 - ($154.20)
Caliper pin kit - P/N 89047711 - ($35.89 shipped ea; 2 required)
CTS-V Caliper bolts - P/N 18041878 - $4.49 ea (4 required)

Front Camaro Brake Rotors (2007 CTS-V Brembo Upgrade)
OEM P/N - 92245928 - $79.19 ea

Front Brake Pads (2007 CTS-V Brembo Upgrade)
Bendix CQ Front Ceramic Brake Pad P/N D1050; Length=5.19; Plate=.200 - $38.79


Retaining the parking brake, upgrading to ceramic pads on the rear.

Rear Rotors
OEM Rear rotor P/N 92170766 - $79.98 ea

Rear Brake Pads
Bendix CQ Rear Ceramic Brake Pad P/N D1352 - $42.95

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Other Options

2004-2007 CTS-V Brembo (G8GT Upgrade) (4 piston front)
GXP Caliper bolts - P/N 92139080 - (4 required)

GXP (CTS-V 04-07 Upgraded) Front Rotor Options
OEM Front GXP Rotors P/N - 92213817

GXP (CTS-V 04-07 Upgraded) Front Pad Options
CENTRIC Posi-Quiet Ceramic w/Shims P/N - (ebaY)

GT/GXP Rear Rotor Options
CENTRIC Rotor P/N - 12062113
AC Delco Durastop P/N - 19241807
Raybestos P/N - 580724 - (rockauto)

GT/GXP Rear Pad Options
OEM P/N - 92250968
CENTRIC Posi-Quiet Ceramic with Shims P/N - 105.13520

[AVIDMOTION]

I did the Russel brake lines, dot 4 syn fluid change x2, Bendix ceramic brake pads. I like the firmer feel of the brake lines, slightly noticeable. The Bendix feel exactly like stock and work well, I thought for stock brakes mine works fine for my driving. I heard from several places the raybes Advanced Technology pads were disappointing. I will prob keep the Bendix pads in rear and upgrade the front pads to something sexy but not eat my rotors(My fav pad they dont make for our car Performance friction carbon metallic)I will try the bobcats or something well known that wont eat my rotors but are a real upgrade.
Honestly i would just use the OEM brembo pad that they use on the cts v for yo,. seems to work well.

[DVDDave]

Don't go with the with the "Raybestos Advanced Technology Pads"......

They fell apart on me after a few thousand miles and I didn't even abuse them.....I went with the Autozone Ceramic Pads and they are great, don't know if they make them for the CTS-V....

[SRG963]

Thanks guys, taking Raybestos off the list :)

[BlackGT5]

What are you looking for out of your front brakes? Higher friction which will come with more dust and noise or sacrifice some friction but get less dust and noise?

[SRG963]

She gets driven daily, around 25k a year, and maybe a little autocross action here and there. I'm fine with the way she brakes currently. I'm running Bendix Ceramic pads up front now, which provide less dust compared to the OEM pads. I believe I'll be sticking with Ceramic pads all around.

[Seattle09GT]

Will the CTS-V calipers fit in the 19" stock rims - non GXP

[BlackGT5]

She gets driven daily, around 25k a year, and maybe a little autocross action here and there. I'm fine with the way she brakes currently. I'm running Bendix Ceramic pads up front now, which provide less dust compared to the OEM pads. I believe I'll be sticking with Ceramic pads all around.

Okay. PM coming your way.

Another question. For the number you have listed as caliper bolt (P/N 18041878), has that been verified? I show that as being the wheel stud. I show the caliper to knuckle bolts as being 18060356.

[00 Trans Ram]

No need to buy $150 brake lines. I bought lines yesterday for about $80. I'll be supplying part numbers tomorrow once I ensure fitment tonight. Basically, for the front at least, you buy 21" long lines at $12, banjo fittings for $8 and -4 to clip fittings for $7. Put it all together, and you have SS lines for half the price.

[Greg@PacePerformance]

Front Caliper - P/N 89047726 ($165.19 shipped) $156.73
Front Caliper - P/N 89047727 ($162.53 shipped) - $154.20
Caliper pin kit - P/N 89047711 ($44.46 shipped ea; 2 required) - $35.89
Caliper bolt - P/N 18041878 ($4.72 shipped; 4 required) - $4.49 ea

Front (CTS-V Calipers) Brake Rotors (355mmx32mm)
OEM Pontiac G8 GXP or Camaro Front Rotors - P/N 92213817 - $88.59 - $79.19

Need help deciding between the items below. Opinions welcome.

Front (CTS-V Calipers) Brake Pads
OEM 2007 - Cadillac - CTS-V front pads - $99.93 -
OEM pad is 89047725 - $115.31
AC Delco pad choices
Delco advantage - 19285976 - $30.60
Durastop semi met - 19137367 - $45.54
Durastop Ceramic - 19241441 - $51.54
I can match or beat the Russell prices also so you can save on shipping. ;)
Why does anyone check anywhere else for GM parts???

[SRG963]

Awesome Greg! I'll be ordering from you soon :)

Are you able to get the Russell speed bleeders as well? The more I can order from you, the better!

[SRG963]

Will the CTS-V calipers fit in the 19" stock rims - non GXP

No, you need spacers with the stock wheels.

I have VMR 710 which have plenty of clearance :)

[SRG963]

Okay. PM coming your way.

Another question. For the number you have listed as caliper bolt (P/N 18041878), has that been verified? I show that as being the wheel stud. I show the caliper to knuckle bolts as being 18060356.

Updated part number, thanks!

[BlackGT5]

Updated part number, thanks!

Make sure it's the right one. Maybe Greg can verify.

[Greg@PacePerformance]

Awesome Greg! I'll be ordering from you soon :)

Are you able to get the Russell speed bleeders as well? The more I can order from you, the better!

Got the lines and bleeders in stock.

Do you know for sure if the 1st Gen CTS-V pads will work with the GXP/Camaro rotors? I know the calipers as the same as the GXP but I'm not so sure about the pads.
Don't want you to order something and have it be incorrect.

[Greg@PacePerformance]

Make sure it's the right one. Maybe Greg can verify.

The caliper bolt I would us is 92139080. That is the GXP caliper bolt. - $10.24 ea
or
you can also us 11515778 - $3.00 each if you have your own loc-tite. ;)

[BlackGT5]

EDIT: I should have said:

1st Gen CTS-V uses the same front pads as G8 GXP. Newer Camaro pads are compatible also.

[Greg@PacePerformance]

1st Gen CTS-V uses the same front pads as GXP/Camaro.

Yup I didn't even pay attention to that part number.
I would use a good aftermarket pad or use the 19241441 AC Delco ceramic pad - $51.54

[SRG963]

Thanks again for the info!

I believe I've got my list about ready to order :) Just waiting on my tax return now.

[08G8V8]

I'm not sure what the difference between the 18041878 caliper bolt and 18060356 caliper bolt is, but this is what I see:

The Front CTS-V caliper assy shows the 89047726 and 89047727 calipers used on the DN69 model, which is the CTS-V:
http://www.compnine.com/index.php?u=1&year=2005&artnbr=6D04-040&artsfx=NULL&supplgroup=99&catcode=66D&modelcode=D&makecode=K&modelseries=DN&uid=1&modelid=1147577586&capuid=1&majorgroup=04&grouptype=B


In this graphic, is shows the caliper bolts as item #28, part number 18041878 for D29 and 18022052 for DW29:
http://www.compnine.com/index.php?u=1&year=2005&artnbr=6D06-044&artsfx=NULL&supplgroup=NULL&catcode=66D&modelcode=D&makecode=K&modelseries=DW&uid=1&modelid=1147577586&capuid=1&majorgroup=06&grouptype=B


In this graphic, is shows the caliper bolts as item #37, part number 18060356 but lists it for the D69 not the DN69. It also shows item #36, part number 18041878, as a stud but lists it for model DN69. This is NOT a stud bolt.
http://www.compnine.com/index.php?u=1&year=2005&artnbr=6D06-027&artsfx=NULL&supplgroup=NULL&catcode=66D&modelcode=D&makecode=K&modelseries=DA&uid=1&modelid=1147577586&capuid=1&majorgroup=06&grouptype=B


I used the 18041878 bolts, which it lists as a M12x1.75x55. The 18060356 part number, I don't know what the specs on the bolt are, as it doesn't list them.

The 11515778 shows M12x1.75x45
The 92139080 shows M12x1.75x44

The 18041878 has a longer "under head length" of 10mm and 11mm than the 11515778 and 92139080 bolts, respectively. I guess the Cadillac knuckle must be thicker than the G8/GXP knuckle?

Not sure if I need to swap my bolts out or not. I might pull one out and check.

[SRG963]

Thanks for the info.

Greg, how about the rear OEM rotor P/N and pad options?

[Greg@PacePerformance]

Rear rotor is 92170766 - $79.98 ea
AC Delco Durastop is 19241807 - $59.45 ea

Pads
OEM - 92250968 - $110.41
AC Delco Ceramic - 19241442 - $51.54

[SRG963]

Looks like best deal would be AC Delco rotors all around. Thanks Greg!

How about the AC Delco front rotor for the Camaro/GXP? Might as well have everything the same!

[locrzn#92]

I just put the new ac delco's on my avalanche at the shop. We sell bendix, ac delco and wagner thermaquiets. So far the ac delco and rotors have done very well. I'll probably do them on my g8 also. I really don't need a drilled and slotted, I don't autocross mine or roadrace so I'm good with saving some money. Hey, at 3.50 a gallon right now for 93 octane, it all helps and sure didn't expect this when I put the 3.45 rear in it either. Shit happens.

[SRG963]

I will be ordering Monday!

Any word on the AC Delco Durastop Camaro rotor replacements?

Opinions on which Caliper bolts I should use? Guessing both work with no issues?

11515778 shows M12x1.75x45
or
92139080 shows M12x1.75x44

[Greg@PacePerformance]

Sorry missed the one about the front rotors
92245928 is the OEM rotor and the same as the Delco - $79.19 ea

I would think either bolt would be just fine.

[SRG963]

Ready to order! PM sent :)

[BlackGT5]

FYI...AC-Delco Durastop pads and rotors are made by Raybestos (which you took off your list). Also, according to Rock Auto, Delco # 19241441 is for G8 GT/V6 front pads. Is this correct?

[SRG963]

I'll take that number off the list until it's verified.
Keeping the AC Delco rotors listed, Dave said the pads fell apart.

[BlackGT5]

What about the front dust shields? Any need to replace with the CTS-V or Camaro shields using the Brembo's?

[08G8V8]

Don't have to touch the front dust shields.

The rears will require the "lip" of the shield to be removed to fit a larger rear rotor.

[BlackGT5]

OK thanks. I am liking the idea of this "budget Brembo upgrade". I think this will be my next mod (keep stock rears).

[Todasi]

Did you get everything? Is it all hooked up? Why did you go with the 4 piston Brembos (CTS V 04-07, GXP 09) instead of the 6 piston CTS V 09-?

[08G8V8]

Did you get everything? Is it all hooked up? Why did you go with the 4 piston Brembos (CTS V 04-07, GXP 09) instead of the 6 piston CTS V 09-?

Probably based on this 1 word in the title of the thread "budget"!

[Atlas]

are the 04-07 CTS-V brembos the same as the '10 Maro brembos?? same calipers, rotors (height, thickness, etc.), same lines???

[BlackGT5]

Probably based on this 1 word in the title of the thread "budget"!

Yup. '09 CTS-V 6 piston front calipers are at least double the cost of the 04-07 CTS-V calipers. Depends on where you buy though but still more expensive.

[BlackGT5]

are the 04-07 CTS-V brembos the same as the '10 Maro brembos?? same calipers, rotors (height, thickness, etc.), same lines???

04-07 CTS-V's have 6 lug rotors so they are definitely different. Calipers "look" the same but not sure on exact details. Caliper pistons are the same though (44/40). Not sure on lines.

[Todasi]

Yup. '09 CTS-V 6 piston front calipers are at least double the cost of the 04-07 CTS-V calipers. Depends on where you buy though but still more expensive.

I found the CTS-V (09-..) 6 piston Brembos for $325 each, which is really a great deal considering, so I was just wondering.....

I guess they are 1/2 the price...

[Greg@PacePerformance]

I found the CTS-V (09-..) 6 piston Brembos for $325 each, which is really a great deal considering, so I was just wondering.....

I guess they are 1/2 the price...

Yes but what are you going to do with just the calipers?
Rotors are over 200 each and the pin kits are double. Not to mention the pads.

He did go just about the least expensive route for getting new parts.

[SRG963]

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[SRG963]

It will probably be a week or two before the brakes get done.

[BlackGT5]

Is that a GXP diffuser I see mixed in with the brake stuff ;)

[SRG963]

Why yes it is :)

Finally got tired of cleaning that honeycomb mess in the back lol

[JSGT09]

So what was the final combination you went with front and rear for calipers/rotors/pads? Final cost?

[SRG963]

So what was the final combination you went with front and rear for calipers/rotors/pads? Final cost?



Russell G8 SS Brake Hose Kit P/N - RUS692210 - $125
Russell speed bleeders P/N - RUS639560 - $20 (2 pair at $10 each)

Front Calipers 2004-2007 CTS-V Brembo (G8GT Upgrade) (4 piston front)
Front Caliper - P/N 89047726 - ($156.73)
Front Caliper - P/N 89047727 - ($154.20)
Caliper pin kit - P/N 89047711 - ($35.89 shipped ea; 2 required)
CTS-V Caliper bolts - P/N 18041878 - $4.49 ea (4 required)

Front (2004-2007 CTS-V Brembo Upgrade) Brake Rotors (355mmx32mm)
OEM P/N - 92245928 - $79.19 ea

Front (2004-2007 CTS-V Brembo Upgrade) Brake Pads
Bendix CQ Front Ceramic Brake Pad P/N D1050; Length=5.19; Plate=.200 - $38.79

Rear Rotors
OEM Rear rotor P/N 92170766 - $79.98 ea

Rear Brake Pads
Bendix CQ Rear Ceramic Brake Pad P/N D1352 - $42.95


I got everything above.

Total cost was around 1g.

[SpeedRacerX]

Congrats Shawn! Enjoy.

Next weekend I'm powder coating my calipers a cool color that I'll show everybody later and I'm replacing the pads while they're apart. I went with the EBC Reds. The EBC Yellows were overkill for my DD.

Again, can't wait to hear your feedback about the CTS parts on your car!

[GL3]

if i went this direction, i would still like to use my full size spare. Can we get a spacer that would work with stock 19 and studs?

[SRG963]

A 5mm spacer may allow the proper clearance with the stock wheels.

I believe stock GXP wheels will clear as well.

[dukeofpg]

Hey, If someone has the spacers, I will be willing to buy a set! I have 2 sets of 18" and one set of 19" (that are just a shade too close). Spacers will do me a world of good. I have seen 1/2" wheel hub spacers that bolt on. I just think that would look bad, be dangerous, not work without more mods ect. So, I am afraid to try them. Help me out folks. Thanks

[SRG963]

Looks like the install will get done tonight, pics to follow :)

[SRG963]

Looks great and brakes feel much smoother :) Need more time behind the wheel, but so far they are great! Will get better pics tomorrow.

Before
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After
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[08G8V8]

Liking the "V"!!

[SRG963]

Thanks!
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[SRG963]

As you can see above, the speed bleeders came with a black cap which stands out. I found nickle colored caps at Home Depot that match much better.
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More pics
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Close ups
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[SRG963]

Brake feel has improved greatly. Before, I was half way into the peddle before the brakes would grab, and shimmy the wheel a bit. Now, I barely touch and she starts to slow smoothly. Don't need much to get her to stop quickly now. Worth every penny :)

[JSGT09]

Great pics, sounds like the install went well. Any surprises? You going to do anything with your rear calipers?

[SRG963]

Great pics, sounds like the install went well. Any surprises? You going to do anything with your rear calipers?

Install went great, as I just watched and took pictures, lol. No surprises, could have done without the speed bleeders. Keeping the rear OEM brake set-up, just upgraded to ceramic pads.

The brake feel is great. Nice and smooth stopping from any speed with just a little pressure on the peddle. I love the look of the larger front rotor, really fills up the wheel nicely.

[SRG963]

One thing to note, the caliper threads may need to be cleaned up some due to the factory powder coating. On mine, the RH side had to be cleaned in able to screw the bolts through the caliper bracket. Other than that, a fairly straight forward process.

[MIEngineer]

Lines are around 100-125 for russell if you look around and they come with everything.

Also if I were going from GT brakes to brembos I would also run the V calipers or the GXP parts...you can actually go back to stock. Always left me scraching my head why people would hand drill their knuckles *shudder*

Im going to machine mine (since I have to for my upgrade - no way around it for this caliper I am using)

Nice posts.

[SRG963]

Greg posted this info referring to the GXP G8 calipers, would the CTS-V calipers be the same shade of silver?


Give 12346645 a try that is a .5 oz brush or you can use 12346205 5 oz spray can.
The paint code is WA891K (13U)
I am pretty sure this is the paint we used to touch one caliper up and it matched.
-Greg

I was thinking of painting my rear calipers the same color as the front Brembos....

[Sephiroth]

No, you need spacers with the stock wheels.

I have VMR 710 which have plenty of clearance :)

any idea what size? if we're talking 1-3mm I may just throw a set on. it doesn't *look* like you need that little of a spacer, but thought I'd ask.

[Seattle09GT]

Part of driving skills and DE school and learning the true power of your braking system in your car. I'd venture to guess that 90% of G8 owners have never come close to using the true, full power of the stock brakes even once. Here is the good news. They are damn good, and in repeated hard use they are not prone to serious fade.

Here is the bad news, they don't get adequate cooling as designed. Doesn't take a lot of hard driving on a lapping day to lightly warp the rotors and smoke the stock brake pads. Commentary is not meant to poo poo upgrading to bigger calipers/rotors - the only thing holding me back from doing it is the investment in new rims. I also can't stress light warping, we don't feel it unless we're braking hard at over 110 MPH, but the signal is clear that it needs to be addressed, and the stock system will not stand up to the rigors of repeated hot lapping.

But, if you want to stay with your stock 18" or 19" rims on a base or GT, upgraded pads, going with a quality drilled and slotted rotor (for better cooling to make up for design issues) and some better brake pads, you'll be very happy.

[Sephiroth]

so more than 3mm? LOL


upgrading would be half an aesthetic choice for me. the car is not a track car, but cast plain jane GM calipers look out of place on a 361HP German sedan busting Holden.

[SRG963]

Sorry for the late answer Sephiroth....looks like you upgraded the car, not just the brakes lol. Congrats BTW!

I'm not sure on spacer thickness for the OEM wheels to clear the front Brembo calipers, but I do know more than a 5mm spacer will require you to purchase new lugs (to be safe).


BTW, I'm still very, very happy with this brake set-up.

[SRG963]

Update. I've got over 75k (around 10-12k on the new brakes) miles now, and the brakes still feel like they were just installed. This car stops quicker than anything else I've driven. I've had to make a couple emergency stops, and it was accomplished easily. Very happy with this upgrade.

[texn884]

Since I did my upgrade they have been great much better that stock. A little bit more brake dust but after a weeks worth of driving nothing bad. 91,000+ on her now

[Joe@Grrrr8Stuff.com]

is this something with no experience can do on their own? I'm pretty mechanically inclined with tools and you tube vids lol. I was going to just do rotors and brakes but for a few more bucks I can upgrade to a much better system.

[SRG963]

It's fairly simple IMO. If you've ever done a brake job (Remove & Replace Rotors and Pads), you shouldn't have any issues. Everything bolts right up, do drilling out the holes like the Camaro upgrade, nothing requiring special tools.

[WhatNext]

Has anyone set up ducting to cool the rotors?

[Joe@Grrrr8Stuff.com]

Never did a brake job either but it looks straight forward.

[I12XLR8]

OK. I want this! Greg, should I PM you or order though the site? Do you have this set up as a package?

Edit: I should have mentioned that I want the rear CTS-V set up as well, with the parking brake...

[Greg@PacePerformance]

I don't have it setup as a package because customers have been wanting it different ways.
Just shoot me a PM or email and we can go from there.

[SRG963]

A 5mm spacer may allow the proper clearance with the stock wheels.


No, it will not. Takes a minimum 10mm spacer with new lugs.

[roman1978]

I have a Q looking to do a Brembo upgrade also so the Camaro rotors will fit with 2007 CTS-V calipers with no problem. Also do I need to get new Brake lines ?

[BlackGT5]

I have a Q looking to do a Brembo upgrade also so the Camaro rotors will fit with 2007 CTS-V calipers with no problem. Also do I need to get new Brake lines ?

Yes to the Camaro rotors. I bought the AC-Delco service number 177-1050 (fronts). The rotors are factory Brembo rotors made in Italy. New brake hoses are not needed but most people(myself included) change to the Russel SS lines.

[texn884]

I just had the Brembo brake upgrade kit from Greg@Pace with spacers 10mm from Adapter kings just remember to tell them you have the longer and bigger lug bolts. Yesterday the shop began and found out the holes in the spacers were to small so they had to find a maching shop to drill them larger but all is good now :):thumbsup:

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