Which Way Should Tigger Go?

[MANOFSTEEL69]

So, I feel like I'm all over the map on which way I should take Tigger. My options are the maggie, a rear-exhaust turbo, or a Stroker. I'm leaning towards the Stroker, just to be a little different then what everyone else is doing. What do you all think.....and why?

[Andy@Livernois]

Don't do an STS... that's my one and only suggestion... Oh, and do a maggie :D I guess I have two... I mean a stroker will pick up power, but the dollar per gain strongly favors that maggie over all options...

[MANOFSTEEL69]

Shhhh! The maggie will probably still happen, lol! Something purely evil about a Supercharged Stroker!

[Andy@Livernois]

Shhhh! The maggie will probably still happen, lol! Something purely evil about a Supercharged Stroker!

hmm, IDK, I say maggie first, push it hard enough to pop the stock shortblock... then you know what to change next :D

[wreckwriter]

I say blower, although I lean more towards the ProCharger myself.

[MANOFSTEEL69]

Any particular reason Tom?

[wreckwriter]

Yea, it's actually the same reason a lot of people choose the Maggie over it: boost comes in a bit slower. Rather than full boost right off the line, resulting in wheelspin in most cases, it comes on strong at a bit higher RPM.

[MANOFSTEEL69]

Makes sense, better for the strip then.

[-Ray-]

I say do the APS twin turbo.

[wreckwriter]

Makes sense, better for the strip then.

it's all about that for me :)

[BlownG8GT]

Yea, it's actually the same reason a lot of people choose the Maggie over it: boost comes in a bit slower. Rather than full boost right off the line, resulting in wheelspin in most cases, it comes on strong at a bit higher RPM.

I will take more power under the curve any day of the week. There is something about the power delivery of a positive displacement blower that reminds me of a BIG BLOCK.

[RB Designs]

I really enjoy my Procharger and I have had just about every type of forced
induction known to man at one time or another. Our cars are so low geared in first through third that boost in the lower rpms isn't an issue. Tha Procharger is also great for auto crossing, power is easier to contol and is more predicable. My TT GTO had great power down low with full boost by
2400rpm but was very abrupt and un predicable. I think you would be
pleasently surprised with the Procharger..........I was.

[wreckwriter]

I really enjoy my Procharger and I have had just about every type of forced
induction known to man at one time or another. Our cars are so low geared in first through third that boost in the lower rpms isn't an issue. Tha Procharger is also great for auto crossing, power is easier to contol and is more predicable. My TT GTO had great power down low with full boost by
2400rpm but was very abrupt and un predicable. I think you would be
pleasently surprised with the Procharger..........I was.

Yea, I expect great things. Do you have a 1/4 time on your car yet?

[roSSco]

Unless you decide to go SD you're going to need a MAF!

I'm telling you, you sent me your MAF with the CAI! :D

I guess I'll just go ahead and ship it to you...unless you want me to sell it on ebay. :D

[GeorgeInNePa]

Unless you decide to go SD you're going to need a MAF!

I'm telling you, you sent me your MAF with the CAI! :D

I guess I'll just go ahead and ship it to you...unless you want me to sell it on ebay. :D

:rofl:



D'oh!

[blackbirdws6]

I'd say it depends on what you wish to tolerate with the car. I sometimes feel the more "motor" work is done, the less street driveable it becomes. Wild cams and big cubes can sometimes make for a rough car on the street. With that said, it seems a forced induction route would be a good way to go. Good street manners and solid power to build upon.

I would go for a blower.

[Dr. Glock]

Tigger should go transplant...LSX 454 heart of a true beast. Stroked you can easily go to about 515 cubic inches, 620 hp naturally aspirated loping down the freeway, much more with a little work...

[Panther 2]

Procharger and 3.27:headbang:

[Robert@KBXPerformance]

I'm telling you, you sent me your MAF with the CAI! :D

I guess I'll just go ahead and ship it to you...unless you want me to sell it on ebay. :D




Now this is priceless. If I wasn't a vendor and used my sig line for advertisement I would paste this in there.

[Mike P]

I'd go with a ProCharger. More power, but not right away / down low, you're already making a ton of power down low.

A ProCharger would be SWEET! :)


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[MANOFSTEEL69]

Unless you decide to go SD you're going to need a MAF!

I'm telling you, you sent me your MAF with the CAI! :D

I guess I'll just go ahead and ship it to you...unless you want me to sell it on ebay. :D

Oops! Guess you're right. I checked through my box of pieces parts and DOAH! Thanks Ross!

[MANOFSTEEL69]

I'd go with a ProCharger. More power, but not right away / down low, you're already making a ton of power down low.

A ProCharger would be SWEET! :)


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I had to sit down with the Wife and explain all the perks and drawbacks to each option. Thanks to a trip to HI in the the next coming month, I will be able to up my budget a little. Oh the price of power.... :hang:

[Blackdevil77]

I want the pro-charger the same reason Tom wants one. Before I heard of the pro-charger, I wanted turbo's over the maggie. I don't want to fight to keep traction off the line and I like the feel of the car pulling harder and harder.

[99-LS1-SS]

I voted stroker motor. Nothing like big cubes making big torque. And the good news is that when you get the stroker motor put in, if it isn't enough power, you can STILL put a blower on it. :)

[MANOFSTEEL69]

Much as I think I would love to go the stroker option, I think I'm leaning more and more towards a supercharger and having the heads done. It's my understanding that the bottom end is the weak link in our motors, and that a new short block is needed for the stroker. Just the short block alone is in the $5400.00 range..... This last couple hundred horses are gonna be expensive no matter how I shake it. :(

[RB Designs]

Yea, I expect great things. Do you have a 1/4 time on your car yet?

No 1/4 times yet............I got the car done for the SEMA show and since i 've been back its been nothing but snow and cold, I'm at 450rwhp
with 11.3AFR and low fuel pressure on the high end. I'm planning an
upgrade to the fuel pump and will add a meth kit should be able to lean it out some and raise rpms to 6500. Will also switch out the valve springs too.
This should get near 485-500 rwhp on a Dynojet which reads higher than a Mustang dyno. With slicks should be solid 11.9s. The Bowler converter
is really a perfect match to the Procharger.........nice combo.

[RB Designs]

Procharger and 3.27:headbang:

our cars are geared plenty low now............I feel in my car a lower gear might hurt et. The Bowler stall converter makes it seem lower geared
and works great with the Procharger.

[Mach 5]

I voted Maggie simply for looks. There is nothing like popping the hood and seeing a blower sitting on an engine. All options make gobs of power, but the Maggie just looks killer.

And I love how there are 0 votes for "Leave it alone you're to fast as it is!" LOL

[MANOFSTEEL69]

I voted Maggie simply for looks. There is nothing like popping the hood and seeing a blower sitting on an engine. All options make gobs of power, but the Maggie just looks killer.

And I love how there are 0 votes for "Leave it alone you're to fast as it is!" LOL

I know......Lol! Tigger just doesn't get any respect anymore with all these fast-ass "shop" cars passing me up.

[MANOFSTEEL69]

I think I'm going to go with the Maggie and the heads.....Unless I get some really decent numbers back on the Stroker option. I'm also having some paint work done....It'll look something like this, but with the crystal flake of the IOM in the black also.
355

[99-LS1-SS]

Like this?
http://www.usamls.net/brandon/images/mos_1.jpg

[mjduell2009]

So, I feel like I'm all over the map on which way I should take Tigger. My options are the maggie, a rear-exhaust turbo, or a Stroker. I'm leaning towards the Stroker, just to be a little different then what everyone else is doing. What do you all think.....and why?


IMHO, nothing beats cubes, go Stroker. I also think you need a nice number like 427 cid. Easy to work on and diagnose with the least amount of issues not to mention you can keep most of the parts you already have.

Just my .02

[GRRRR8]

A 413 can be done fairly easy also. For the long term Jay the short block is not going to take the power you want. At least build a forged short block get the heads done. With a converter you will be close to the blower cars.

[99-LS1-SS]

Yeah, my brothers car is a 408 forged motor and it puts down 502 rwhp through a Yank converter. In a manual car it would probably closer to 530 rwhp.

[Mach 5]

Like this?
http://www.usamls.net/brandon/images/mos_1.jpg

Nice Photochop. But please, please do not do this to Tigger! LOL

[jbradsh1]

Like this?
http://www.usamls.net/brandon/images/mos_1.jpg

:flame:That's just putting the car in the hospital instead of murdering the poor thing!

[MANOFSTEEL69]

I gotta figure out something to do to it paintwise. The cost of the motorwork will squash the holden conversion. And with two other IOMs in my area, one a V6, I need to stand apart, besides them just staying in my rear-view mirror (Jeff ;) )

[bwooten492]

Yeah, my brothers car is a 408 forged motor and it puts down 502 rwhp through a Yank converter. In a manual car it would probably closer to 530 rwhp.

There is nothing meaner than a nicely built 408. Well maybe a 427 or a LSX454 but you know what I mean. I had a friend with a C5 that had a 408 with AFR 225's and that thing was MEAN! It would eat up cars on the street.

So in short, build Tigger a motor. It will make him very happy.

[99-LS1-SS]

Paint tiger stripes on it. If they were flat black I think it might look cool if it was a quality job. If you got the horsepower to back it up you can do what ever you want to your car.

[bwooten492]

I gotta figure out something to do to it paintwise. The cost of the motorwork will squash the holden conversion. And with two other IOMs in my area, one a V6, I need to stand apart, besides them just staying in my rear-view mirror (Jeff ;) )

Do some black paint or a decal on the valley parts of the hood right before the scoops like the Camaro SS's do sometimes.

[99-LS1-SS]

Maybe like this.

http://www.usamls.net/brandon/images/tiger.jpg

[MANOFSTEEL69]

Yikes! Lol! Maybe I'll just stick to motor work.

[99-LS1-SS]

Yikes! Lol! Maybe I'll just stick to motor work.

LMAO!

If you send me a 3/4 front view I think I have a half way decent design idea.

[99-LS1-SS]

I actually think this looks pretty cool. I think a flat black wide single wide hood stripe would look good. Then black out the chrome on the grills.

http://www.usamls.net/brandon/images/racehood.jpg

[99-LS1-SS]

Or this with the lower grill area blacked out too.

http://www.usamls.net/brandon/images/racehood2.jpg

[Robert@KBXPerformance]

With regard to appearance I think you should go with a custom cowl hood. I think something with a small double rise like the Cobra R would look pretty nice on these cars.

[Mach 5]

Maybe like this.

http://www.usamls.net/brandon/images/tiger.jpg

Dude, that would be a chick MAGNET! ROTFLOL

[Mach 5]

Or this with the lower grill area blacked out too.

http://www.usamls.net/brandon/images/racehood2.jpg

Not bad. I though the SEMA car that painted all the top of the car another color idea had potential. Unfortunately they used green.

http://forum.grrrr8.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=266&d=1226452995

Maybe mock one up in black or dark gray, and don't bring the color down so far on the front bumper?

[MANOFSTEEL69]

Or this with the lower grill area blacked out too.

http://www.usamls.net/brandon/images/racehood2.jpg

That does look pretty good. I don't know about flat black though. The cars blasts so much under direct sun, that the flat would look way out of contrast.

[99-LS1-SS]

Go with gloss black or a carbon fiber gray.

[NDM]

I gotta figure out something to do to it paintwise. The cost of the motorwork will squash the holden conversion. And with two other IOMs in my area, one a V6, I need to stand apart, besides them just staying in my rear-view mirror (Jeff ;) )

Since I am too broke to use this idea...I give it to you...

Shiney black up top and flat black down below......with some kind of pinstriping to break up the colors......

the shiney black would go where the green is on the sema car and the flat would be where the black is...


Oh and have them get rid of the edges that make the front look pointy...I planned to do that because it would IMO make a subtle differnce but in a big way...

[NWOG8]

I gotta figure out something to do to it paintwise. The cost of the motorwork will squash the holden conversion. And with two other IOMs in my area, one a V6, I need to stand apart, besides them just staying in my rear-view mirror (Jeff ;) )


Jay
With that comment I had to vote "leave it alone" so at some point I am not in your rear view mirror:).
I think I like the blower at this point but I am still saving for CIA, Headers, and Tune. Hopefully will happen in first quarter 2009.
Doing 3m clear bra in next week or so. Picked up a nasty stone chip and dont want anymore!

[MANOFSTEEL69]

Well, I believe I have locked in my choice.....Maggie with head work and possibly a TC. Ouch, my wallet will never forgive me...Lol!

[99-LS1-SS]

Well, I believe I have locked in my choice.....Maggie with head work and possibly a TC. Ouch, my wallet will never forgive me...Lol!

But your ass will love you!

[Andy@Livernois]

remember, fast cars get you laid... supercharged fast cars get you laid twice... :D

[GeorgeInNePa]

Well, I believe I have locked in my choice.....Maggie with head work and possibly a TC. Ouch, my wallet will never forgive me...Lol!

Jay,
If you are going that route, why not try the head work (since you've already got the cam) and the converter first?


You might be pleasantly surprised.

The maggie might be too much of a good thing, ie, tire smoke. ;)

[TrakDay]

I am a firm believer in twin turbos if you want all out peformance, Procharger if you want a fun car that will perform well at the track with room to grow for a reasonable price, and Maggie for a car that you are just planning on driving on the streets with and have no real big plans for big power. These are based on my opinion and is why I am far more interested in the Maggie for my DD!!! And the fact that I already have a 1k + rwhp GTO with twin turbos and had a Procharger on it before that... I just really want something simple and different!

[nathan600r]

If it's just for the track then a stroker and a shot of giggle gas would be a bad ass 4dr sedan..

[MANOFSTEEL69]

Yea, it's still a driver, though mainly to car shows and out and about on nice days when I'm hunting for MOPARS, so the super-charger will be the ticket.

[MANOFSTEEL69]

Well Livernois is going to be in contact with Magnacharger next week about maybe going with something a little bigger than the 1900 series.......Stay tuned. It's my hopes to have the car done before Milan Dragway starts Test and Tunes in the spring. I'm also going to have the heads done while they're at it.

[NWOG8]

There I go falling behind in the rear view mirror again:).

[G8GT594]

Leave it alone... your to fast as it is!

LOL, sounds like a good plan, i may have to follow in your footsteps depending on the numbers.