Diff prices and specs (split from GTS dash)

[Crazy Paul]

Paul, I'm still looking for a price on the 3.27s. ;)

Yes I'm still working on that.
I got good prices for the complete diff assembly and also for just the gears, but by the time I put airfreight on them there's no saving to be had over what you're paying there now.
I tried sea freight and didn't get the saving I was hoping for there either.

I've got one more place to try for the parts but getting hold of that guy is a nightmare.

[GeorgeInNePa]

Yes I'm still working on that.
I got good prices for the complete diff assembly and also for just the gears, but by the time I put airfreight on them there's no saving to be had over what you're paying there now.
I tried sea freight and didn't get the saving I was hoping for there either.

I've got one more place to try for the parts but getting hold of that guy is a nightmare.

What about shipping two in the same crate? Some times the extra weight/size is only a small uptick in shipping cost over a single piece.

[Crazy Paul]

All my bigger stuff is cheaper if I can send more than one in the same box to one address. So far only one person has taken advantage of this. : )

OK I'll price up 2 diff assys in one box, 2 sets of diff gears in another box.
By air to Pa and by air to Sugarland TX. LOL

[wreckwriter]

Please keep looking Paul. How much does a diff weight anyway?

[Crazy Paul]

Please keep looking Paul. How much does a diff weight anyway?

I'm trying. One guy has ADD and the other isn't exactly Mr Precision.
I was told roughly 40kg for a packaged diff assembly and roughly 25kg for a packaged gear set.

Probably both plus or minus 10 kg knowing "Mr Precision" like I do

(sarcasm off)

[wreckwriter]

OK, that's about 88 pounds. 55 for just the gears. Shipping definitely will be bad :(

[GeorgeInNePa]

I'm trying. One guy has ADD and the other isn't exactly Mr Precision.
I was told roughly 40kg for a packaged diff assembly and roughly 25kg for a packaged gear set.

Probably both plus or minus 10 kg knowing "Mr Precision" like I do

(sarcasm off)

The 40kg for a diff is understandable.

25kg for just gears? lol Are they made of tungsten?

[Crazy Paul]

If I had some way of finding out ,short of buying a set just to weigh them, I would. So far no dice.

Refer Mr ADD and Mr Precision comment above.

[13 QTR]

The weight on mine was 60kgs...that's the complete diff and the wood box.

[GRRRR8]

All my bigger stuff is cheaper if I can send more than one in the same box to one address. So far only one person has taken advantage of this. : )

OK I'll price up 2 diff assys in one box, 2 sets of diff gears in another box.
By air to Pa and by air to Sugarland TX. LOL

Even 1000s of miles away our competitive nature is known George.

[GeorgeInNePa]

Even 1000s of miles away our competitive nature is known George.

I was wondering when you would spot that.

I laughed.

;)

[Chewy]

Even 1000s of miles away our competitive nature is known George.

I was thinking YOU were Mr. A.D.D. :nah:

[GRRRR8]

I was thinking YOU were Mr. A.D.D. :nah:

Absolutely Devistating Dude? I guess so. LMAO!

[-Ray-]

Absolutely Devistating Dude? I guess so. LMAO!

I think he meant Adult Deficit Disorder. :)

[GRRRR8]

I think he meant Adult Deficit Disorder. :)

Oh, I knew it was 1 or the other. lol

[Crazy Paul]

What someone needs to do is organise a group buy on diff assemblies from www.holmart.com.au
I spoke with Mick @ Holmart today.

You'd need to get all the group buy diffs sent together to 1 US Port in 1 big box.

Sea freight on 1 cubic meter is a flat fee of about AUD$250 + about AUD$150.
Despatch point would be Melbourne Australia......depending which single US Sea Port you picked the price will differ.
AUD $400ish = (Approx US$260)

I checked this price and from me on the West Coast of Australia (worse position than Melbourne) to example Houston is AUD$475 (US$305) for 1 cubic meter weighing anything up to 1000kg.

So lets allow US$300 for 1 cubic meter of assorted diffs.

Nobody can tell me the crated dimensions of one of these diff assemblies.
I estimate you'd get 5 inside 1 cubic meter. 5 would only weigh worst estimate 300kg.....but you pay on volume 1 cu/m

So on a group buy of 5 diff assemblies [Sea Freight 8 weeks approx]
Freight per diff to the single US Port (eg: Houston) is US$60.

Diff Assembly Choices from Holmart.
a) 2.92 LSD Complete Assembly AUD$436.36 ---> US$281 + Fr US$60 = US$341 (a spare for your current 2.92 diff) [Not sure if this is a V6 or V8 diff, you'd need to check the flange diameter with Mick at Holmart]
b) 3.27 V8 LSD Complete Assembly Approx AUD$1370---> US$882 + Fr US$60 = US$942
c) 3.45 V8 LSD Complete Assembly Approx AUD$1370---> US$882 + Fr US$60 = US$942
d) 3.70 V8 LSD Complete Assembly Approx AUD$1250---> US$806 + Fr US$60 = US$866 (Removed from new cars prior to fitment of HSV W 427 diff)

Diff Gear Sets (Crownwheel and Pinion only)
3.45 AUD$800 ---> US$516 (to buy, no freight included)
3.27 probably the same $

EXAMPLES:
1) If you could only organise a group buy of 1 x 3.27 or 3.45 diff assembly then the price each would work out at US$882ea + seafreight to Houston US$300
= US$1182 ea
2) If you could only organise a group buy of 2 x 3.27 or 3.45 diff assemblies then the price each would work out at US$882ea + seafreight to Houston 1/2 x US$300
= US$1032 ea
3) If you could only organise a group buy of 3 x 3.27 or 3.45 diff assemblies then the price each would work out at US$882ea + seafreight to Houston 1/3 x US$300
= US$982 ea
4) If you could only organise a group buy of 4 x 3.27 or 3.45 diff assemblies then the price each would work out at US$882ea + seafreight to Houston 1/4 x US$300
= US$957 ea

[GeorgeInNePa]

Can/will you accept seperate payments, or do you want an all together payment for the entire shipment?


I want one. I know Panther 2 might want one. Charlie might want one.

Guys, this is several hundred dollars LESS than the next cheapest source. Even with shipping in the US.

[wreckwriter]

Keep me involved in the discussions.

[Crazy Paul]

Can/will you accept seperate payments, or do you want an all together payment for the entire shipment?

I want one. I know Panther 2 might want one. Charlie might want one.

Guys, this is several hundred dollars LESS than the next cheapest source. Even with shipping in the US.

I'm not involved in the transaction.
To get the best price for you guys I have to stay out of it....otherwise theres extra freight and extra tax.
I would imagine that Mick sales@holmart.com.au would prefer 1 payment.

Also those figures may vary daily with the exchange rate (Mick works in Aussie dollars)........he may well even give you a better price if you tell him you want 5 diff assemblies in one go for export.

[GeorgeInNePa]

Keep me involved in the discussions.

Will do.

Decide what ratio you're going to order.
;)

[GeorgeInNePa]

I'm not involved in the transaction.
To get the best price for you guys I have to stay out of it....otherwise theres extra freight and extra tax.
I would imagine that Mick sales@holmart.com.au would prefer 1 payment.

Also those figures may vary daily with the exchange rate (Mick works in Aussie dollars)........he may well even give you a better price if you tell him you want 5 diff assemblies in one go for export.

Ahhhh, ok, I get it.

I really appreciate you doing the legwork on this. We'll get it figured out.

I know someone who lives near Houston...


;)

[wreckwriter]

OK, what are the questions we need to answer? Ratio(s), how to get the others to the people not at the point of arrival (I don't think it has to be Houston, that was an example, right?)

[GeorgeInNePa]

OK, what are the questions we need to answer? Ratio(s), how to get the others to the people not at the point of arrival (I don't think it has to be Houston, that was an example, right?)

We have them all sent to one port, Paul gave Houston as an example because GRRRR8 can get them at the port.

Then he would have to ship them out to the others.

If he doesn't have time to do this, we can have them shipped to NY and I can go get them.

Again, we just have to account for the shipping from the Port city to the end user. We could use PayPal for this, just paypal the shipping to the sender.

Ratio is the easy part. I want 3.27s, I think 3.45s are too much for a DD.

[Crazy Paul]

Houston was just an example.
You guys can select a more central port for the single delivery and get a firmer price on that from Mick once you decide how many, what ratios etc.

There should be no import duty or US federal taxes on new passenger car parts from Australia.

Pick a US port in a state with no state duty or taxes on imports ?? I got no idea if that applies.

[wreckwriter]

I'm thinking they're heavy enough they'll have to be wood crated or at least close to it. I think you're right on ratio.

[Crazy Paul]

This is what we're looking at.

http://picsorban.com/upload/37lsd2.jpg

http://picsorban.com/upload/37lsd3.jpg

http://picsorban.com/upload/dscn0903.jpg

http://picsorban.com/upload/dscn0904.jpg

http://picsorban.com/upload/dscn0907.jpg

http://picsorban.com/upload/p1010447_03.jpg

[wreckwriter]

Could we get a group buy on gears just as easy? Worth considering?

[-Ray-]

Man that diff is a beautiful thing. I'd rather go for the gears. I've got Pedder's bits in my diff already.

[wreckwriter]

Man that diff is a beautiful thing. I'd rather go for the gears. I've got Pedder's bits in my diff already.

Could they be pulled and put in the new diff?

[GeorgeInNePa]

Man that diff is a beautiful thing. I'd rather go for the gears. I've got Pedder's bits in my diff already.


Could they be pulled and put in the new diff?

BUT, since the diff bushings are multi-piece, they can be easily removed and put into another diff. ;)

I could do gears just as easily. My old man is a damn wizard when it comes to setting up gear backlash.

With a complete diff, you have a complete spare. You have a complete LSD spare. You will have to pay someone to remove your gears and setup the new gears in the diff (unless you know how).

It seems the difference in price is a little over $400.

I could go either way. I could also check into a combined shipment of diffs and gears.

[wreckwriter]

Seems we have some options. I'm guessing my installer can do gears, no clue how much though. Need to check on that.

What's our hurry factor? I think you guys up in the frozen North are down til Spring, right (at least before these parts could possibly get here)? Any guesses how the exchange rate will fair over the next few weeks/month?

[Crazy Paul]

Could we get a group buy on gears just as easy? Worth considering?

Sure you could.
Just remember you have a large base charge component for the seafreight (eg AUD$250), then you add your cubic or weight [AUD$150ish / Cu/m], so you need quite a number of items to make it become economical.

Actually just looking at all the wasted space in those crates, I dont think you'd get 5 diff assemblies in a cubic metre.

It doesn't matter too much, as the cubic charge component of the freight goes up incrementally.
IE: If you have 1.2 cubic meters its still the same flat rate initially (eg AUD$250) then the added cubic would 1.2 x AUD$150.....so its not bad.
AUD$430 = US$275........still under the US$300 that I allowed for.

[-Ray-]

Well you know it works, if we wait, we get fucked on the exchange rate. If we buy now, it goes down a few weeks after. I parked my car, I'm driving the truck now.
I wish I could do this, but I need cash to build my shop. I'm still trying to do the axle back program too. Blah blah blah...

[GeorgeInNePa]

Seems we have some options. I'm guessing my installer can do gears, no clue how much though. Need to check on that.

What's our hurry factor? I think you guys up in the frozen North are down til Spring, right (at least before these parts could possibly get here)? Any guesses how the exchange rate will fair over the next few weeks/month?

Atco does T&Ts in Dec. I'm not sure when they reopen. March?

If I knew what the exchange rates would do, I'd have enough money to buy us all diffs.

lol

[wreckwriter]

If I knew what the exchange rates would do, I'd have enough money to buy us all diffs.

lol

Yea, good point ;)

[Crazy Paul]

If I knew what the exchange rates would do, I'd have enough money to buy us all diffs.
lol

Updated Daily FWIW
I should have started this months ago. DoooH.
http://www.forum.grrrr8.net/showpost.php?p=20880&postcount=1

[Steve]

Def. Interested !

[MANOFSTEEL69]

Interested here also, if the more the merrier and better the price we should definately go for it.

[GeorgeInNePa]

So far we have Me, Tom, Steve, and Jay. Charlie?

If it stays just Mods and Admin, I'll start a thread in our forum.

[GRRRR8]

So far we have Me, Tom, Steve, and Jay. Charlie?

If it stays just Mods and Admin, I'll start a thread in our forum.

If your getting 1 I have no choice!

[99-LS1-SS]

I'm happy that I will already have this mod!!!!

[GRRRR8]

Nobody was talking to you MR GXP! LMAO!

[99-LS1-SS]

LOL! Sorry I had to get a jab in when I could. :)

[GRRRR8]

LOL! Sorry I had to get a jab in when I could. :)

I am going to sit down the street from your dealer and wait for you to pull out and then we will see what will we see! LOL

[99-LS1-SS]

LOL! I'll ask them to let me borrow a loaner. I don't think I can handle a brutal loss right off the bat.

[Featherburner]

So far we have Me, Tom, Steve, and Jay. Charlie?

If it stays just Mods and Admin, I'll start a thread in our forum.

Depending on how Christmas goes...I may be very interested. I guess you'll have to make me a mod. LOL

[GeorgeInNePa]

Depending on how Christmas goes...I may be very interested. I guess you'll have to make me a mod. LOL

We're in the beginning stages now.

I'm hoping to have an order together by Jan.

I'll update this thread every now and then.

[13 QTR]

Depending on how Christmas goes...I may be very interested. I guess you'll have to make me a mod. LOL

What???....If you get the 3.27 gears...you become a mod?? What if you already have them??? Hell...I could be the mod of the SOUTH EAST CENTRAL section. I'm from there and NOBODY posts there anyway....j/k.

I just know....if you get them...you'll love it. Combined with the reduced tq tune from vector...it's totally different...like the way the car should be.

[G8GTlawride]

What???....If you get the 3.27 gears...you become a mod?? What if you already have them??? Hell...I could be the mod of the SOUTH EAST CENTRAL section. I'm from there and NOBODY posts there anyway....j/k.

I just know....if you get them...you'll love it. Combined with the reduced tq tune from vector...it's totally different...like the way the car should be.

Whats been your MPG diff?

[13 QTR]

Whats been your MPG diff?

I posted it somewhere...maybe here or the other site. I'll try to remember...being doing some more testing.

At 80 on the interstate..about 20-21
Long stretches of highway under 70.......24,maybe 25

normal driving,in the city,with frequent wot sprints....18.

My afm will come in at anything under 75..a few times at 77(interstate).

I did do one run..where I stopped,reset the computer and stomped it. I stayed in it for awhile. When I looked,it said 4mpg.....damn!!!!

[G8GTlawride]

Thanks. No AFM on mine. MPG around what you get. Might consider the complete diff.

[Dr. Glock]

I'm ready to order when you are. The car needs this mod.

[BSmith]

Do we know what it would cost to ship inside the US? Looks like it is heavy enough it'll have to go freight.

Also, is the LSD on this better than the one in the car? I assume not as they appear to be stock units.

And one more thing, you can ship them to Tampa.

[GRRRR8]

Same units that go in the GXP is my understanding.

[Crazy Paul]

Also, is the LSD on this better than the one in the car? I assume not as they appear to be stock units.


Stock Holden LSD for V8 VE cars.

[GeorgeInNePa]

Do we know what it would cost to ship inside the US? Looks like it is heavy enough it'll have to go freight.

Also, is the LSD on this better than the one in the car? I assume not as they appear to be stock units.

And one more thing, you can ship them to Tampa.

A quick guess :90lbs 18x12x12

Package details: 1 package , 90.0 lbs , Your Packaging , 18 in x 12 in x 12 in , 1000.00 USD.


FedEx Ground® 51.94 (http://fedex.com/ratefinder/standalone?method=goToResultSummaryPage#details)
Clarks Summit, Pa. to Tampa, Fa.

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I'll email Holmart and get a shipping weight and crate size on a single rear.

[Crazy Paul]

I'll email Holmart and get a shipping weight and crate size on a single rear.

Good luck with that.
I hope you dont expect a scientific answer. LOL

[GeorgeInNePa]

Oh no, were they Mr ADD or Mr Precision?


lol

[Crazy Paul]

Oh no, were they Mr ADD or Mr Precision?
lol

Sounds like you're about to find out.


(Mr ADD has been crossed off my Xmas card list)

[13 QTR]

It's more like 30x30x36....somewhere in that range. I could go measure the box mine came in. On the shipping label it was 60kgm..weight wise.

[Crazy Paul]

I just did an exercise on the rough price. Because Holmart work in AUD the amount you pay in US$ fluctuates daily.

Working with AUD $1450 for example only.

Dec 2nd ---You'd need to find US$926
Dec 9th --- You'd need to find US$966

Up US$40 in the last week.

So the choice of a good day to buy can make a difference too.

[GeorgeInNePa]

It's more like 30x30x36....somewhere in that range. I could go measure the box mine came in. On the shipping label it was 60kgm..weight wise.

If that's true, that changes things...

Package details: 1 package , 133.0 lbs , Your Packaging , 36 in x 30 in x 30 in , 1000.00 USD.

$154.00
FedEx Ground® 126.37 (http://fedex.com/ratefinder/standalone?method=goToResultSummaryPage#details)

[GeorgeInNePa]

Mick at Holmart got back to me with the weight.

He said the diffs weigh 31 kilograms each. He didn't mention any crate sizes and/or weight.

[Crazy Paul]

It's more like 30x30x36....somewhere in that range. I could go measure the box mine came in. On the shipping label it was 60kgm..weight wise.

If you could go measure that would be great.
30x30x36 is huge.
Means only 1 diff per cubic metre : (

[wreckwriter]

If you could go measure that would be great.
30x30x36 is huge.
Means only 1 diff per cubic metre : (

Sounds more like the box LT headers would come in....

[GeorgeInNePa]

If you could go measure that would be great.
30x30x36 is huge.
Means only 1 diff per cubic metre : (

Now that you mention it, 36x30x30 is almost a cubic YARD!

That can't be right.

[13 QTR]

Ok.....so my guesstimating is way off..

It's 27L X 21W X 18H. That's the wood box..it has 2 2x2 boards on the bottom for legs...for forks to go under I guess. I thought my invoice said 60kg....but on the box is a sticker that says..'caution..contents over 70kg'

I'll try to find my invoice to check....

the box is very well built..even has a 2x4 in the inside to hold down the diff...plus ALL the packing peanuts...

[GeorgeInNePa]

Thanks for the info, 13 QTR!

Shipping from 18411 to 33601 Tampa, Fa. (just as an example)

Package details: 1 package , 60.0 kgs , Your Packaging , 27 cm x 21 cm x 18 cm , 1000.00 USD.

FedEx Ground® 75.02 (http://fedex.com/ratefinder/standalone?method=goToResultSummaryPage#details)

[13 QTR]

Thanks for the info, 13 QTR!

Shipping from 18411 to 33601 Tampa, Fa. (just as an example)

Package details: 1 package , 60.0 kgs , Your Packaging , 27 cm x 21 cm x 18 cm , 1000.00 USD.

FedEx Ground® 75.02 (http://fedex.com/ratefinder/standalone?method=goToResultSummaryPage#details)

UUMMM.......my measurements were inches...not cm.

[GeorgeInNePa]

UUMMM.......my measurements were inches...not cm.

Aw crap, I entered kgs for the weight and didn't check the measurment fields...

brb.

[GeorgeInNePa]

It seems at that weight, it didn't make a difference.


Package details: 1 package , 132.0 lbs , Your Packaging , 27 in x 21 in x 18 in , 1000.00 USD.


FedEx Ground® 75.02 (http://fedex.com/ratefinder/standalone?method=goToResultSummaryPage#details)

[Crazy Paul]

OK I did some calcs based around 2" high cleats under the box + box size [27 in x 21 in x 18 in]

4 boxes stacked in a single layer gives you a cubic of 0.74cu/m.

Remember for the seafreight we pay for the first cubic metre.

5 boxes stacked end to end (if they let you count it like this, instead of building upwards on a block, pallet style) gives you 0.925cu/m

6 boxes stacked in a one layer grid gives you 1.11 cu/m
(I'd suggest this is the most economical small number to ship)

[R.Penguin]

Yes I'm still working on that.
I got good prices for the complete diff assembly and also for just the gears, but by the time I put airfreight on them there's no saving to be had over what you're paying there now.
I tried sea freight and didn't get the saving I was hoping for there either.

I've got one more place to try for the parts but getting hold of that guy is a nightmare.
Perhaps...........if you put a diaper and a little blue or pink blanket on the diff box......I wonder what the weight limit of a stork is? :p

[Crazy Paul]

OK new information gathered in the past few weeks.
It doesnt matter which USA port a consignment lands at, there will be a considerable amount of "Port Fees" involved on a sea freight shipment.

So far it seems that for 1 cubic meter of car parts US$700 is about what you can expect to be charged upon collection. This is over and above what you already pay for the Seafreight.

These "Port Fees" consist of
Customs Clearance .....US$155
Destination Charges.....US$375
Extras (Forklift fee, Documentation fee, Sundries.....etc etc)= about US$150

I've also checked out the "Port Fees" for
1.3 cu/m (add only US$20.....to the1 cu/m fees)
1.5 cu/m (add only US$50.....to the1 cu/m fees)

So what I'm saying is
1 cu/m of diffs might cost US$400 for seafreight + US$700 for port fees =US$1100.
1.5 cu/m of diffs might cost US$550 for seafreight + US$750 for port fees =US$1300.

At some point a Group Buy might become cost effective, but I doubt it will happen at 1 cu/m or 4 or 5 diffs.

: (



NB: (Airfreight is not subject to "port fees" but can often attract the US$155 customs clearance fee)

[-Ray-]

I think I'm going to wait until the 3:27 gears become available stateside.

[G8-4-Speed]

I think I'm going to wait until the 3:27 gears become available stateside.

Agreed!