What setup for Fox Mustang

[fiveoh]

I've started working on my fox again(doing rear suspension atm), and am trying to decide what direction I want to go wtih the motor. The car will be a nice day to work/weekend/track car. I'd like it to be fairly reliable. Looking to run 10s on DR's and be able to drive it to and from the track or to work if I want to(20+ miles). Car already has a lentech stalled auto capable of handling 800hp. I figure I'll need about 450rwhp to go 10s, but I'd like to end up anywhere from 500-550+. Stock 5.0 blocks are dicey past 400rwhp so I'm looking at getting a dart block(extra 3k). 3 possible setups i'm considering:

347 w 150 shot

347 w turbo

347 w supercharger

I've never run a car with n2o, turbo or supercharger so I'm really not sure which one will be better for what I'm looking to do. I realize all of the above can get me to my goal but I'd like to go with the one that will be the most reliable and have the best street manners. Anyway feel free to post opinions and please vote. :cool2:

Oh and I realize I could do it NA if I wanted to but it probably wouldnt be as street friendly as I'd like and I'd like to have more hp for roll races and such. :D

[GeorgeInNePa]

http://www.fordracingpartsdirect.com/5_0L_412HP_2011_MUSTANG_CRATE_ENGINE_p/m-6007-m50.htm

Will need this too, or wait to find a ECM and harness in a wreck...
http://www.fordracingpartsdirect.com/CONTROLS_PACK_2011_5_0L_4V_MANUAL_TRANSMISSION_p/m-6017-a504v.htm

Simple bolt ons and tune are making 400 to 420rwhp at this time, in a 2011.

[Devilish34]

turbo if you have the $$$

[fiveoh]

http://www.fordracingpartsdirect.com/5_0L_412HP_2011_MUSTANG_CRATE_ENGINE_p/m-6007-m50.htm

Will need this too, or wait to find a ECM and harness in a wreck...
http://www.fordracingpartsdirect.com/CONTROLS_PACK_2011_5_0L_4V_MANUAL_TRANSMISSION_p/m-6017-a504v.htm

Simple bolt ons and tune are making 400 to 420rwhp at this time, in a 2011.

Ya until a few people do that build and I can see what kind of issues they run into, I'm going to shy away from it. I'm not the type to be the first to do something like that. :) More like the guy that needs help from the one who did it first.

[GeorgeInNePa]

It would be just like sticking an LS3 in a 69 Camaro.

Not a big problem.

[h34d]

+1 on turbo. A low compression 347 with the hair dryer = nasty. Easy tens. EASY.


check it: http://www.hellionpowersystems.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=131

[fiveoh]

+1 on turbo. A low compression 347 with the hair dryer = nasty. Easy tens. EASY.


check it: http://www.hellionpowersystems.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=131

I was actually looking at :

www.on3performance.com

Way cheaper, and lots of people on turbomustangs.com and corral.net use them.

[laserred]

Only thing I would recommend if you're stuck on using On3- maybe see if they can do the kit without a turbo, but all other parts. Then, order a reputable turbo like a Garrett or Turbonetics. Nothing against MasterPower, but they had some serious durability problems just a short time ago. A Precision Turbo will set you back probably 80% of the entire On3 kit, but will make tons more power. Just call up Precision and tell them your combo and have them recommend an impeller size and an A/R number to make the most of what you're expecting. Just remember, "cheaper" doesn't always mean "most inexpensive" and that if you can afford to rebuild it after a cheap part grenades your motor, you could have afforded to build it using all the best parts in the first place. Just the voice of experience talking... :(

BTW you've got a PM burning a hole in your mailbox... LOL

[h34d]

I was actually looking at :

www.on3performance.com

Way cheaper, and lots of people on turbomustangs.com and corral.net use them.

Cheaper? Yes. Cheaper? Dunno. Never heard of them, but that isn't exactly bad. Hellion had a pretty good reputation back before I dropped my 5.0s and left the Mustang community (I'm thinking of sneaking back in BTW). I assume you'll do the research and ultimately decide "the one that will be the most reliable and have the best street manners". IMO, and along with what laserred said, only the best parts would go into the forced induction of my $3000 Dart-blocked 347. Just sayin.

On the other hand, I've always had a soft spot for a nice direct-port NO2 system. But then you're getting into turbo/supercharger kit prices and having to fill the bottle all the time. HTH

[laserred]

Dart block 363, 9.1ish compression, some AFRs up top, an injected FunnelWeb, and a Precision GTK76 (or whatever it is). Just make sure you get the billet impeller and have them size the housings for you. 76mm should be good for around an easy 700+rwhp and yet be daily driveable with those extra cubes. Pay for the "nitrous" porting on your AFRs, exhaust can use all the help you can give it. Buy stock in M/T now, before you start consuming all the spare rubber in Texas. Don't believe "cheap" means anything other than "will take out $2,500 of other parts when it goes".

[h34d]

Don't believe "cheap" means anything other than "will take out $2,500 of other parts when it goes".

:deadhorse: ....... but +1

I kind of said that, too. laserred just said it better. :cheers:

[laserred]

h34d, when it comes to being a cheapa$$, it's necessary to beat that horse. Because the irritation we induce now to convince him to buy the good stuff from the start will significantly reduce the whining we'll hear when those $69 roller rocker specials (<--- insert favorite Chinese knockoff here) DON'T launch their guts through the bottom end of his $10k motor and into the oil line of his $1,700 dual ball bearing turbo ;) LOL

[G8GT721]

i like Georges idea

[cvidt]

Go twin turbo, Had it on my old 91 most fun best sounding car I ever had

[wnt2gofst]

Im with george. That 5.0 will look sharp in that FOX!

[laserred]

Forget that On3 kit... here's Stainless Works's stuff. You get what you pay for. Now you can add the parts that best fit your plans, and never worry about shitty headers and piping.
http://www.stainlessworks.net/cart/images/SBFDFT%20KIT-1.JPG

[bwooten492]

My vote is turbo, but I have a good friend that has a 92 coupe with a 302 and a vortec that runs 11.30's with full weight and street tires. That car would sway you towards a blower car. He was recently in one of the big mustang magazines and his car tied in a shootout for first with a Gt500 that made like 650+. Sick little car.

[laserred]

IMHO, 302 with a blower and 11.30s is ho-hum (does he have heads and intake as well?). 7-8 years ago with heads, intake, and off the shelf cam you could get into the 11.80s with little problem if you could drive it. These days 11.30s are pretty easy with some AFR185s, RPM II intake, and custom hydraulic roller. I think fiveoh is looking for well over 600rwhp and 9 sec 1/4s, and turbos are probably the most consistent, easiest way to get to his goals.

[fiveoh]

Forget that On3 kit... here's Stainless Works's stuff. You get what you pay for. Now you can add the parts that best fit your plans, and never worry about shitty headers and piping.
http://www.stainlessworks.net/cart/images/SBFDFT%20KIT-1.JPG

Any link to this? I'm now considering a 408 with a small shot as well after talking to a local guy who was r unning a turbo. He hated it bc of the maintenance associated with it.

[h34d]

Any link to this? I'm now considering a 408 with a small shot as well after talking to a local guy who was r unning a turbo. He hated it bc of the maintenance associated with it.

This looks like what he's talking about.
http://www.stainlessworks.net/cart/product_info.php?cPath=520&products_id=1891

That said, a nitrous'd 408 is a beautiful thing. And as I already said, filling the bottle may become tiresome but direct-port is a beautiful thing by itself.

Check it>>> http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new/mc/nitrous/direct_port_victor.shtml

[laserred]

Any link to this? I'm now considering a 408 with a small shot as well after talking to a local guy who was r unning a turbo. He hated it bc of the maintenance associated with it.

WTF? Whoever your local guy is, find a new turbo role model, FAST! Low maintenance is the beauty of a proper turbo setup. Harry from Precision used to come out with Stephanie Eggum when he was sponsoring our local track- it had a 1.8L Honda block, ported head, etc, and a 74mm turbo. According to Harry, the thing made 1070HP at the wheels. At the time, it was running 7.70s@184, he told me the only time the motor was touched was at the end of the season they pulled it to freshen it up. Put a hyd roller in it, put a good oil and cooling system in it, and it will run like any other good motor! don't let one bad apple make you miss all the positives!! Filling bottles @ $5/lb gets very old and VERY expensive real fast. Buy the turbo and piping once and you're done! Enjoy!

[vert]

I was actually looking at :

www.on3performance.com

Way cheaper, and lots of people on turbomustangs.com and corral.net use them.
That is the one I have been looking at for my 91. I have read several good things about them and of course a few bad from the ones that spent 5K on a kit.