New VaraRam G8 Ram air intake!

[vararam]

VaraRam will debut pictures of our new G8 ram air system late next week.

The system is a "TRUE RAM AIR" system and features no cutting ,no drilling and NO WATER INGESTION!

You can expect performance improvements of 3 tenths and +3mph through a 1/4 mile and 4-6 tenths off your 0-60mph time!

Guaranteed performance!

Look for it !

[GRRRR8]

Very nice! I did not forget you. I have been busy. Shoot me a PM with your phone # so I can call and set up a meet. Charlie

[SRG963]

Late next week? WTF tease :)

I just checked out your website and cant wait to see one for the G8

[99-LS1-SS]

More details!!!!

[-Ray-]

Very nice! I did not forget you. I have been busy. Shoot me a PM with your phone # so I can call and set up a meet. Charlie


Good to see you guys getting together.
Looking forward to their version.

[todds87ss]

I have heard that the complete intake systems work, but stay away from the throttle body inserts. I still have one for an F-body sitting on the shelf (VR-3 I think). Actually slowed down the car significantly.
Always hope for new products...I eagerly anticipate Dyno testing.

[NWOG8]

Cant wait for pictures and price.

[MANOFSTEEL69]

4-6 tenths off of the 60 foot time? From an intake? Please explain how that works, lol. +3 MPH, and 4-6 tenths off the 60' time and I'm in the 11's. ;)

[wreckwriter]

4-6 tenths off of the 60 foot time? From an intake? Please explain how that works, lol. +3 MPH, and 4-6 tenths off the 60' time and I'm in the 11's. ;)

I assume that means on a box stock car. Still seems a bit much though.

[Panther 2]

Sounds a bit magical, If you knock 4-6 tenths off of 60' time , how does that end up being only 3 tenths in the 1/4 mile? Magical!

[99-LS1-SS]

If you read they don't say 60' time they say 0-60 time.

[wreckwriter]

If you read they don't say 60' time they say 0-60 time.

Either way, pretty serious claim I think.

[Chewy]

Either way, pretty serious claim I think.

Agreed! Kinda like the "up to 25 horsepower" claims you see of other vendors.

Still optimistic! :)

[wreckwriter]

Definitely waiting to see what they have to offer.

[GRRRR8]

They get at least that on Vettes, so since they are local to me I want to check it out.

[wreckwriter]

They get at least that on Vettes, so since they are local to me I want to check it out.

Yea, get us a sneak preview Charlie!

[99-LS1-SS]

I'm assuming the design is OTR and similar to the Vette application.

[GRRRR8]

I just cant leave the shop 6 days a week so I want to try and set something up to meet them as they are about an hour from me.

[jbradG8GT]

Hey Fellas,
It's my G8 GT that Vararam has been testing. If this Ram Air system is like any of his other systems, we will see much better results than any intake on the market. VaraRam is not in the business of selling Cold Air Intakes. This will be a true Ram Air System. I'm looking forward to next week when we can put the new system in my car and get it tested. We'll post all the results next week with pictures.

[Chewy]

Hey Fellas,
It's my G8 GT that Vararam has been testing. If this Ram Air system is like any of his other systems, we will see much better results than any intake on the market. VaraRam is not in the business of selling Cold Air Intakes. This will be a true Ram Air System. I'm looking forward to next week when we can put the new system in my car and get it tested. We'll post all the results next week with pictures.

Welcome and thanks! The only REAL way to test it is to test your car with the other offerings as well.

[Kermit]

Just when I think I might be ready to get a CAI system, someone else pops up to put a wrench into my thinking. I guess I'll have to wait some more before I make up my mind. :uhm:
Any clue what price range we will be looking at?

[Mike P]

Hey Fellas,
It's my G8 GT that Vararam has been testing. If this Ram Air system is like any of his other systems, we will see much better results than any intake on the market. VaraRam is not in the business of selling Cold Air Intakes. This will be a true Ram Air System. I'm looking forward to next week when we can put the new system in my car and get it tested. We'll post all the results next week with pictures.


jbradG8GT: Is your car stock right now? If not, what mods do you have? I'm definiely looking forward to seeing the results. :)


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[GrandPrix98GT]

Looking forward to seeing the results of this.

[jbradG8GT]

The only thing I added to my car is the Roto-Fab CAI. I still have my stock intake, so we probably will test stock, roto-fab and VaraRam on the Dyno. We will also do quite a bit of data logging with the Ram Air to make sure it will give results that he guarantees.

[jetttstream]

I want to put a filter right on the end of the maf (cone filter) and see what happens!

-Mike

[MANOFSTEEL69]

Just when I think I might be ready to get a CAI system, someone else pops up to put a wrench into my thinking. I guess I'll have to wait some more before I make up my mind. :uhm:
Any clue what price range we will be looking at?

Other ones on their site are in the $350-400 range.

[Boefadeez]

Late next week has come and gone...

[GRRRR8]

Late next week has come and gone...

This post was updated with pics on the 26th. With the holiday there was a delay, but well within the time frame stated.

[Boefadeez]

I think my PC is fugged up then, because I didn't see any pics when I reviewed the thread. My bad

[-Ray-]

http://www.forum.grrrr8.net/showthread.php?t=2030
The thread with the pics in in GRRRR8 news.

[rushhour]

Nice numbers.

Now once this is done & the new GTO ones are set & tested - you may have 3 sold to one household (1 G8 & 2 GTO).

Good work guys.

Steve

[It's A G8!]

If the price is right im in for one.

[NUM620]

If the price is right im in for one.
yup

[Mbower]

When this comes out if anyone wants to buy a carbon fiber roto-fab let me know.

[SRG963]

When this comes out if anyone wants to buy a carbon fiber roto-fab let me know.

LOL, and I'll have a NEP CAI w/HSRK for sale :D

[Mbower]

LOL, and I'll have a NEP CAI w/HSRK for sale :D

lol i wont have hsrk to offer this time.

[G8MTB]

When is this going to be on the market?

[GRRRR8]

It is on the test car now and I will see it today. I should be testing 1 next week as well. I will post pics later today of the system installed.

[NWOG8]

Cant wait to see the pics.

[GRRRR8]

I am at the shop waiting. This is a rough finish for molds, fitting and testing. The actual product will look as all Vararam products do, PRETTY! lol

[Chewy]

I am at the shop waiting. This is a rough finish for molds, fitting and testing. The actual product will look as all Vararam products do, PRETTY! lol

So?

[jbradG8GT]

Soooo...I have had the Prototype Ram Air System in my car now since Saturday night. There's a few things that Patrick will be adding to the prototype version 3 this week which will add about another 15 rwhp as per Patrick. So right now I'm running on about half the hp. Since Saturday I've burn through about half a tank of gas testing it. One thing I noticed while testing the 0-60 times, everytime I put the petal to the floor the tires spin out, which as you all know that's usually not a problem. So I think that's a good thing, shows there's definately more power and throttle response. The best 0-60 time I've achieved so far is 5.18 worst is 5.34, but like I said if I can get a good take off without spinning the tires, I'm sure it would shave off a few tenths, but it's too fun to stop once it starts spinning. Just gotta learn the take off technique. I did not make a 0-60 run with the roto-fab, I'll do that this week when I take off the ram air. Another improvement is the throttle response at highway speeds, doesn't take must to get from 60 to 90. Definately different than with the roto-fab, which is what is expected from a ram air system. I didn't get a chance to run 1/4 mile times since there's no where to do that in Katy, cops everywhere. BTW, my car is not tuned yet, that will come later this month or next month. The most important thing that Patrick wanted me to give feedback on is rattles, vibrations, check engine lights, or anything out of the ordinary, which I have not noticed anything "weird" happen. We didn't take any pics because it pretty much looks the same as the original prototype other than the MAF is right in front of the Throttle Body.

Oh, and I met with Charlie yesterday and he took me for a ride in ITBFST, WOW!!! When he got to 147 I asked him to shut it down, lol, got the leg shaking!!!! Thanks Charlie!

I can't wait for the next prototype later this week as it should be identical to the production model. Then we'll have some good testing to post.

[GRRRR8]

Thanks Jasen! The Vararam is going to be awesome! Tell Patrick GRRRR8 work and I cant wait to get mine for the modded testing. I will say that the Vararam was cool to the touch after a 25 minute ride and the Roto was HOT after a 10 minute ride. Everyone be patient. I know how hard that is, but this is what we have been waiting for as a true ram air system.

[99-LS1-SS]

Great news! I'm really looking forward to this product!

[Chewy]

SWEET!

Thanks for the updates!

[TheTugBoat]

god i just want mine now! HURRRRR UP! jokes jokes...cant wait to see the end product and results.

[GRRRR8]

god i just want mine now! HURRRRR UP! jokes jokes...cant wait to see the end product and results.


You get to wait extra long now funny man! :)

[99-LS1-SS]

LOL That sig cracks me up.

[GeorgeInNePa]

Originally Posted by GRRRR8 http://forum.grrrr8.net/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forum.grrrr8.net/showthread.php?p=24224#post24224)
all the DICs I have seen looked the same.


:rofl:

[Mav]

Cant wait to see this thing AND (of course) to see what this thing can do.


hilarious sig.

[Kermit]

Thanks for keeping up up to date! WE are all patiently waiting.

[Eric_GT]

Anything new on this? This is another mod I am interested in.

[jbradG8GT]

Patrick is waiting to get the parts cut....the fab shop was closed during the holidays so I'm sure now they're backed up....hopefully I'll get the part in the next few days!!! I did a few more 0-60 runs with the prototype I have now...so far my best run is 4.84. I just can't wait til he puts the new part in my car and we get to test it...before long I may change my name to ITBFSTR!!! :nah: jk Charlie...got a little ways to go

[Eric_GT]

4.84?! What other mods do you have????

[jbradG8GT]

no mods this is just with the vararam prototype

[GRRRR8]

Patrick is waiting to get the parts cut....the fab shop was closed during the holidays so I'm sure now they're backed up....hopefully I'll get the part in the next few days!!! I did a few more 0-60 runs with the prototype I have now...so far my best run is 4.84. I just can't wait til he puts the new part in my car and we get to test it...before long I may change my name to ITBFSTR!!! :nah: jk Charlie...got a little ways to go

LOL! You are about to have a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG ways to go!

[jbradG8GT]

lol...yeah I know

[GRRRR8]

I am going to make you "tap out" on a 0-60 pass!

[jbradG8GT]

hell you won't be able to reach me...i'll still be reving my engine when you reach 60

[GeorgeInNePa]

LOL! You are about to have a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG ways to go!

IDK, 4.84 with just a CAI?

That's pretty stout.

[GRRRR8]

hell you won't be able to reach me...i'll still be reving my engine when you reach 60

I mean you sitting in the passenger seat like last time.:)

[jbradG8GT]

yeah i was consistantly getting around a 5.0 - 5.1 but my tires were spinning everytime....after I rotated my tires yesterday i didn't have as much of a problem with spin.....but charlie can attest that my car is stock

[jbradG8GT]

haha...charlie you had me tapin out last time....i'll run 0-60 with you all day long....but unless i'm driving i don't care to go high speeds

[GRRRR8]

Stock except for the RotoFab he had and swapped in a Vararam.

[It's A G8!]

I couldnt take it any longer so I bought a NEP OTR intake. I read on vararam's website that it take about a year of testing for an intake to come out.

[r33pwrd]

I couldnt take it any longer so I bought a NEP OTR intake. I read on vararam's website that it take about a year of testing for an intake to come out.

I agree with you... I bet they wont be avaliable till september :( I like the look of them and they make nice products but man are they behind the rest of the afermarket croud.

[GRRRR8]

I figure March at the latest. Way behind? New Era now has 2 and RotoFab 1. Now Jetttstream has 1. 3 companies, 4 intakes. 1 VARARAM

[It's A G8!]

What I asked myself was, how much more hp could the vararam make over the NEP OTR intake? I dont think it would be that much more. I dont know we'll see.

[GRRRR8]

Its not just the dyno #s, its how much will it drop the ET.

[vipz28]

I also volunteer to test out a prototype and I'm close! :whistle:

[It's A G8!]

Yea I know it not about dyno #. I dont think it can drop to much more over the NEP. I will get DR to drop the ET :D

[GRRRR8]

In Prostock, 5hp is the difference between 1st and 5th, the rest is reaction time, driver and clutch set up.

[Eric_GT]

So, one is looking at a Vararam intake and essentially being up with a GXP in terms of performance??!!!

[GRRRR8]

I would say a Vararam and a good tune, its a drivers race. If the GXP wins, order headers!

[G8GXP4now]

Are we saying that vararam plus tune is better performance than the NEP OTR plus tune?

Has it been determined that OTR plus tune is better than RotoFab/New ERA Induction plus tune?

[99-LS1-SS]

I would say a Vararam and a good tune, its a drivers race. If the GXP wins, order headers!

What if the GXP has a Vararam, tune and headers? :nah:

[GRRRR8]

What if the GXP has a Vararam, tune and headers? :nah:

Then we pull my car out! lol

[99-LS1-SS]

then we pull my car out! Lol

cheater!!

[r33pwrd]

I figure March at the latest. Way behind? New Era now has 2 and RotoFab 1. Now Jetttstream has 1. 3 companies, 4 intakes. 1 VARARAM


Well think about how many rotfabs have been sold? how long have they been out for? You say March but im still waiting on my Vararam that was to be out in late 2007... :( I would like to try this intake on my G8... but im not holing my breath.

[-Ray-]

I'll wait for their intake. I've already promised my Roto-Fab to a friend on this web site.

[99-LS1-SS]

I'm waiting on the results of the Vararam.

[wreckwriter]

If I weren't going to a system that doesn't use a regular intake I would probably go with Mike's new OTR CAI.

[GRRRR8]

If I weren't going to a system that doesn't use a regular intake I would probably go with Mike's new OTR CAI.

I agree. The thing I think most are misssing the point on is Vararam is the ONLY TRUE RAM AIR. Period. Even if RotoFab makes an attachment, it will not be ram air. Ram Air is a sealed sytem that can only draw air from a hi pressure zone on a car. Nothing that is available does that. I love my RotoFab and am probably responsible for 40% of their sales, that will not change. Vararam is a different product, that will produce different results due to its design.

[vipz28]

If I weren't going to a system that doesn't use a regular intake I would probably go with Mike's new OTR CAI.The NEP OTR?

[wreckwriter]

The NEP OTR?

Yes.

[vipz28]

Yes.
Meh. I have some issues with their design... Doesn't look like much flow testing was actually done. Yeah they put in a velocity stack, but I think it could have been made better than it is. I made a post on the other board without getting too many answers out of NEP... Seems like the side should have sloped in instead of being flat surfaces into a flat wall. Something like this:

http://tehawesome.com/cars/otrsketch.jpg

[It's A G8!]

I'm not to crazy on how it looks. But it has been shown to produce grrrr8 numbers. I just couldn't wait any longer. If the vararam shows to be that much better that the OTR intake I will just buy a vararam.

[NYG8GT]

I agree. The thing I think most are misssing the point on is Vararam is the ONLY TRUE RAM AIR. Period. Even if RotoFab makes an attachment, it will not be ram air. Ram Air is a sealed sytem that can only draw air from a hi pressure zone on a car. Nothing that is available does that. I love my RotoFab and am probably responsible for 40% of their sales, that will not change. Vararam is a different product, that will produce different results due to its design.

There has yet to be any pictures, diagrams or anything shown to anyone here that can validate this whole "only true ram air system" line you keep throwing out there. I bet with some cheap sheet metal and a few hours time I could mock up a ram air system for the NEP OTR intake and have it match the Vararam's performance, which has yet to be even announced. At this point it seems as though few others have yet to be even mildly impressed with the lack of info Vararam has provided. We're talking an intake here, not rocket science.

[GRRRR8]

There has yet to be any pictures, diagrams or anything shown to anyone here that can validate this whole "only true ram air system" line you keep throwing out there. I bet with some cheap sheet metal and a few hours time I could mock up a ram air system for the NEP OTR intake and have it match the Vararam's performance, which has yet to be even announced. At this point it seems as though few others have yet to be even mildly impressed with the lack of info Vararam has provided. We're talking an intake here, not rocket science.

Very true, but I am not much on some "cheap sheet metal" crap on my car. I will say they may have waited to announce it since it seems people are very anxious for something different, but thats how you find out if there is a demand for a product. If you know/knew about Ram Air you would know it has to be a sealed unit or it is not Ram Air.

[NYG8GT]

I do know about Ram Air, its not like its a new idea. You get a scoop and ducting to direct air up to the intake and boom there ya go, you just rammed air. And cheap/DIY doesnt necessarily have to be crap!

[GRRRR8]

If the filter is not sealed in a box, thats not Ram Air. I think something could be made for the New Era, but its the research to know where the low/high pressure zones are that make it work.

[jbradG8GT]

Not only a sealed box but the scoop is the other main factor. If the dimensions/angles of the scoop and box are not correct, then it won't be efficient nor a true ram air. As for not putting up pictures or diagrams, I would imagine he won't post too much until he patents everything, and I would assume he will patent it. Who's to say if he posts diagrams that someone else wouldn't go out and patent it before him. Just a thought.

[r33pwrd]

A ram-air intake is any intake design which uses the dynamic air pressure created by vehicle motion to increase the static air pressure inside of the intake manifold on an engine, thus allowing a greater massflow through the engine and hence increasing engine power.

The ram air intake works by reducing the intake air velocity by increasing the cross sectional area of the intake ducting. When gas velocity goes down the dynamic pressure is reduced while the static pressure is increased. The increased static pressure in the plenum chamber has a positive effect on engine power, both because of the pressure itself and the increased air density this higher pressure gives.

Ram-air systems are used on high performance vehicles, most often on motorcycles and race cars. Ram-air has been a feature on some cars since the late sixties, but fell out of favor in the seventies, and has only recently made a comeback. Modern parachutes use a ram-air system to pressurise a series of cells to provide the aerofoil shape.

[GRRRR8]

Correct. This is why their gains are often not seen on a dyno as much as at the track.

[r33pwrd]

If the filter is not sealed in a box, thats not Ram Air. I think something could be made for the New Era, but its the research to know where the low/high pressure zones are that make it work.

I disagree with this... think about a 4ft 4" tube with a filter on the end (any filter) stick it out the window at 70 (with filter facing forward) and than flip it around so filter is on the back side... tell me what the flow difference is?

Sealed in a box is not the important part but the surface area of the filter of opening and where the air is being pulled / pushed form.

[Chewy]

Not only a sealed box but the scoop is the other main factor. If the dimensions/angles of the scoop and box are not correct, then it won't be efficient nor a true ram air. As for not putting up pictures or diagrams, I would imagine he won't post too much until he patents everything, and I would assume he will patent it. Who's to say if he posts diagrams that someone else wouldn't go out and patent it before him. Just a thought.

I agree! Remember this will fit the Holden too so this could be big business for them.

I will wait to here what Vararam does for power. A dyno is a POOR place to see an increase with a ram air intake unless they have corresponding air speeds running into the intake openings which as far as I know no one has. Fans yes but not to that complexity. Real world 1/4 and 0-60 tests will prove it's worth. 0-60 is actually not even that great of a test as the speeds are JUST reaching where they need to be. The last 1/8th mile is where you will see most of the gains IMO.

Chris

[GRRRR8]

I disagree with this... think about a 4ft 4" tube with a filter on the end (any filter) stick it out the window at 70 (with filter facing forward) and than flip it around so filter is on the back side... tell me what the flow difference is?

Sealed in a box is not the important part but the surface area of the filter of opening and where the air is being pulled / pushed form.

Re-read your your previos post.

[r33pwrd]

Im not saying a ram air wont work but I dont think the filter needs to be sealed in the box. There has always been argument if a "ram air" is better than a cold air intake. IMO a cold air should be as good as a ram air.

Anyone know the velocity of the air the motor pulls? I bet its 10X the pressure created at 80 mph on the freeway. If this is true than a filter in the same spot as a ram air picukup it should be the same asuming same surface are.

Again these are just my opinion and im not a specialist with intakes.

[GRRRR8]

According to your definition of Ram Air post, it is the air being pressurized that makes it ram air. Yes a filter in a cool air stream helps, but its not Ram Air.

[r33pwrd]

According to your definition of Ram Air post, it is the air being pressurized that makes it ram air. Yes a filter in a cool air stream helps, but its not Ram Air.

that was from wikapedia

[r33pwrd]

again in not a pro but how do you crate positive pressure if the air being pulled by the engine is greater than the velocity of the air being "forced" into the intake? again in mot sure of the velicty of the air that the motor pulls but im sure it must be grater than that of the positive air created at 7 mph (obviously the intake size plays a factor)

[GRRRR8]

The way the scoop/inlet multiplies the pressure effect of the air entering the engine.

[r33pwrd]

pressurized is very easy to figure out and when the varraram is avalible I will find out it if is truly pressurized... drill a hole in it and connect my vacum gauge.. negative pressure means the motor uses more air than the ram air provides positive means its a true ram air.

[r33pwrd]

The way the scoop/inlet multiplies the pressure effect of the air entering the engine.

I agree to a point

[GRRRR8]

Also when it is cold to the touch is a good indication and I have already varified that on the test car.

[99-LS1-SS]

again in not a pro but how do you crate positive pressure if the air being pulled by the engine is greater than the velocity of the air being "forced" into the intake? again in mot sure of the velicty of the air that the motor pulls but im sure it must be grater than that of the positive air created at 7 mph (obviously the intake size plays a factor)

The "pull" of the intake will be less restricted with the "push" of the air coming in the ram air.

[NYG8GT]

A cold intake means its ramming air? Interesting concept.

Im pretty sure I have seen discussions on ram air creating "boost" and it was concluded that you need to be hauling serious ass to get to the point where your introducing more air to the intake than it wants to pull in. I know you can manipulate air as a fluid using different paths or flow and what not, but only to a point. I highly, highly doubt you can create "boost" at low speeds through means of simple ducting. Vacuum is vacuum, the only way to overcome that is with a higher pressure than the amount of vacuum, and atmospheric pressure alone aint gonna get the job done.

[r33pwrd]

Also when it is cold to the touch is a good indication and I have already varified that on the test car.

thats a good thing! Again in not saying it wont work... but I would like to see one tested correctly. And the only way that will be done is with another intake and at a race track on a very consistant car.

[GRRRR8]

Thats why they are using a stock one and my car as the tester cars.

[r33pwrd]

Thats why they are using a stock one and my car as the tester cars.

thats cool. I may buy the varraram (if they ever make it ;) ) but I think people thinking this with a tune will make them beat a GXP are fools.

[GRRRR8]

I never said that. I said it should produce the most power of the systems available.

[r33pwrd]

I never said that. I said it should produce the most power of the systems available.

was not pointed at you but some people on the other forum.

[99-LS1-SS]

but I think people thinking this with a tune will make them beat a GXP are fools.

But not when the GXP has this and a tune also.....:bm:

[GRRRR8]

Why do I feel like I am caught in a vortex today! lol

[99-LS1-SS]

LOL! I baited you on that one.

I was just being a punk....sorry.

[r33pwrd]

Why do I feel like I am caught in a vortex today! lol

we are talking air not water! loose the vortex term :)

[GRRRR8]

See what I mean! lol

[r33pwrd]

See what I mean! lol

you need to get off the forum and call and get a group buy going on this intake... Im sure it will be a good seller!

[GRRRR8]

I have 25 orders already! I am just as anxious as everyone. I will need everything I can get to get under 11.50 ETs I have found that rushing it wont make it happen faster and after a very LONG talk with Patrick @ Vararam he will not release it until its perfect and makes all the power it can.

[GeorgeInNePa]

But not when the GXP has this and a tune also.....:bm:

You are going to need more than a tune and an intake.

;)

[GRRRR8]

You are going to need more than a tune and an intake.

;)

LOL! Yes he will.

[r33pwrd]

I have 25 orders already! I am just as anxious as everyone. I will need everything I can get to get under 11.50 ETs I have found that rushing it wont make it happen faster and after a very LONG talk with Patrick @ Vararam he will not release it until its perfect and makes all the power it can.

can people get on a list with you? I want to try one of these vs my modified new era one im doing...

[The Commodore]

Want!

[GRRRR8]

Want!

Go post in the sticky "Vararam order list"

[G8GTlawride]

I sure hope that these intakes are all that everyone is making them out to be. I really do. As these engines never cease to amaze me, so then maybe the power increase of the ram air will also. But I have my doubts. Aside from the lower ambient temp of the air entering the engine, the only other advantage of the RA is increased air flow. So, with that said, you are going to have to go pretty fast to increase the flow on the system to have a measurable increase in HP and to overcome the "Pull" on air the engine is doing already. In other words, in days gone by, Ram Air was only worth a few horsepower at HIGH SPEED. Roto-Fab has explored this and thus the reason they have NOT released their advertised ram air system. They do not produce the numbers the Ram Air designation would suggest. Before everyone sells, or commits to sell, their "other" CAI, wait and see the head to head comparison. First on the dyno and then on the track. Only then will you see the true measure of the effect of the new Vararam.

[GRRRR8]

RotoFab could not be a true Ram Air without sealing the top and no not to the hood as that is not sealed. I picked up more power from my mods to help the RotoFab, so that says alot about what can be done with a system.

[G8GTlawride]

I agree with that completely. That mod to the lower panel opened up the intake to cooler air if nothing else. Forcing air into the intake from forward motion may not have as a dramatic improvement as some believe. I hope it does. I will be in line right behind the next guy if that is the case. I just don't think it will be as dramatic as folks seem to think it will. I bet 3-4 HP at 100 MPH. Measuring the improvement will be, lets say, subjective to say the least, since there are so many variables and there is no way to inject a proportionate amount of air while on a dyno.

[GRRRR8]

The mph gain in the 1/4 mile will be the proof.

[G8GTlawride]

I hope you test this system nine ways to Sunday.

[GRRRR8]

Bone stock car, Roto, Vararam, Vararam with tune........and my car.:)

[r33pwrd]

Bone stock car, Roto, Vararam, Vararam with tune........and my car.:)

when are you going to the track to test?

[GRRRR8]

when are you going to the track to test?

I will do it when its ready. It will either be the way the car is, or with the heads and cam. My car is really just to see how well it helps a highly modded car.

[Chooch]

My question for the day, what would a VaraRam do for a car that well frankley will never see a dragstrip and will not be modified due to the iron fist of his wife :) (Previous experience with a 95 Neon Modded out the wazoo forced this delimma 13.5 at 104 Best 1/4 time) and it had issues with driveability ie too high strung. But back to my G8GT , will a VaraRam do anything on a bone stock G8GT that sees highway speeds? I am assuming with more HP, it might increase gas milaege as the AFM will hold better while crusing at 70 or so. Or would a CAI just be fine for what I do. Need to purchase SNOWS and RIMS too for next year.and want to do a valued purchase as RS-A's not so good in snow.

[GRRRR8]

The results will be the same. You just cant measure them as I do since you are not going to the track.

[Chewy]

My question for the day, what would a VaraRam do for a car that well frankley will never see a dragstrip and will not be modified due to the iron fist of his wife :) (Previous experience with a 95 Neon Modded out the wazoo forced this delimma 13.5 at 104 Best 1/4 time) and it had issues with driveability ie too high strung. But back to my G8GT , will a VaraRam do anything on a bone stock G8GT that sees highway speeds? I am assuming with more HP, it might increase gas milaege as the AFM will hold better while crusing at 70 or so. Or would a CAI just be fine for what I do. Need to purchase SNOWS and RIMS too for next year.and want to do a valued purchase as RS-A's not so good in snow.

YOU have to determine that. Are you wanting the MOST HP on paper that you can get? The Vararam MAY be the one for you. Are you looking for an over all good system that makes a cool sound and frees up some power? Then New Era Performance's standard fender mount filter, Rotofab's system or New Era's new over the radiator may be MORE than OK for you. I am always looking for easy horsepower. I may look into the Vararam for that reason alone and sell my NEP fender mount system. We'll see what the actual gains are.

Oh and don't forget about JeTTT auto tech's new system. He's a vendor here as well. His may be a little less expensive than the rest.

Chris

[GRRRR8]

Very true Chris. It comes down to what do YOU want. For most it always comes down to best bang for the buck and what fits in their budget.

[Eric_GT]

Go post in the sticky "Vararam order list"

Where is this????

[GRRRR8]

Where is this????

About 7 threads down from this one.

[Eric_GT]

My question for the day, what would a VaraRam do for a car that well frankley will never see a dragstrip and will not be modified due to the iron fist of his wife :) (Previous experience with a 95 Neon Modded out the wazoo forced this delimma 13.5 at 104 Best 1/4 time) and it had issues with driveability ie too high strung. But back to my G8GT , will a VaraRam do anything on a bone stock G8GT that sees highway speeds? I am assuming with more HP, it might increase gas milaege as the AFM will hold better while crusing at 70 or so. Or would a CAI just be fine for what I do. Need to purchase SNOWS and RIMS too for next year.and want to do a valued purchase as RS-A's not so good in snow.

You know what, this is an excellent question.
Mine will never see a strip either. I just want more snap when I press the pedal. Right now, it doesn't have that throw you back into the seat feeling that my S60R had when the turbo spooled up.
Maybe a VMS is all I really need.

Plus, I want to be able to say, "It has over 400 horsepower". :woohoo:

[GeorgeInNePa]

Where is this????

http://forum.grrrr8.net/showthread.php?t=2859

[Last_ResorT_G8]

For the disbelievers of this product please do some research on there current c6 and c5 vette intakes. The way the intakes are constructed it is basically a straight shot of air into the throttle body. The performance gains will be there if the construction of the intake is some what similar to the vettes. As compared to the rotofab or other elbow designed intake systems the air is not coming in as a straight shot to the throttle body and the effect of "raming air" is null even with any attachments as previously stated. I believe in this product as I've seen first hand the performance gains on my friends c5 vette. Just wait and see:)

[jbradsh1]

For the disbelievers of this product please do some research on there current c6 and c5 vette intakes. The way the intakes are constructed it is basically a straight shot of air into the throttle body. The performance gains will be there if the construction of the intake is some what similar to the vettes. As compared to the rotofab or other elbow designed intake systems the air is not coming in as a straight shot to the throttle body and the effect of "raming air" is null even with any attachments as previously stated. I believe in this product as I've seen first hand the performance gains on my friends c5 vette. Just wait and see:)

When, and how much? Will we need to retune for the ram air effect?

[Last_ResorT_G8]

When, and how much? Will we need to retune for the ram air effect?

As with any intake tuning will be needed to fully optimize its performance. As for my friend with the vararam vette intake system it did in fact net him .3-.5 secs in the 1/4 and a increase of 2-5mph as they claim on the vararam site. So I believe as I've stated before that we will be in for a suprise.:)

[r33pwrd]

my only doubt comes from all the OTR intakes for the Holdens... none of them are like the varraram but more like the new era. Not saying that Varraram cannot build a better system than the Australians but I wonder why they have never done this down under if its so much better? And an intake can only be so good... but 1/4 mile #'s will be the only thing that tells us the truth, and a dyno will not be any proof at all IMO. But I do look forward to testing it back to back with other designs at the track.

[BlueJacket]

Bone stock car, Roto, Vararam, Vararam with tune........and my car.:)

I would like to see a NEP OTR tested too.

I have no doubts that an OTR is the way to go, but I would like to see if their set up is going to be a large improvement over the NEP OTR.

[r33pwrd]

I would like to see a NEP OTR tested too.

I have no doubts that an OTR is the way to go, but I would like to see if their set up is going to be a large improvement over the NEP OTR.

I agree.... the fact is some people are talking up a product that does not even exist yet :) talk about good marketing! Has anyone that has the varraram ever run another OTR?

[-Ray-]

I agree.... the fact is some people are talking up a product that does not even exist yet :) talk about good marketing! Has anyone that has the varraram ever run another OTR?

When Vector was going to make a tune for the G8's people were jumping at the chance to get one. Vector's history proved that the tune was going to be good.
Doesn't Vararam enjoy a similar history?

[MANOFSTEEL69]

They can enjoy the history.....But you have to consider what these guys are saying. All the hype with no facts to back it up. Just because a system worked on one type of car, doesn't mean it will have the same effect on another. I'm still curious as to how my New Era OTR will perform on the dyno, and the track, right now all I have to go by is the feel of the car.

[-Ray-]

I'm like a lot of the other guys. I wait and see how it performs. I had more than one intake on my car. I didn't keep them on the shelf though. I sold one so someone else could enjoy it.

[GRRRR8]

Vararam does have the history on how it performs on the Corvettes.

[GeorgeInNePa]

They can enjoy the history.....But you have to consider what these guys are saying. All the hype with no facts to back it up. Just because a system worked on one type of car, doesn't mean it will have the same effect on another. I'm still curious as to how my New Era OTR will perform on the dyno, and the track, right now all I have to go by is the feel of the car.

Actually , past performance does indicate future results in this instance. If it worked on another car with this type of engine, it will work on this one.

[99-LS1-SS]

I'm really excited about the potential of the mph gain on this intake. 3 mph doesn't sound like much but it is a difference that you can notice.

[jbradsh1]

I'm really excited about the potential of the mph gain on this intake. 3 mph doesn't sound like much but it is a difference that you can notice.

If indeed a 3 mph improvement in quarter mile speed is accurate that equates to about 25 rwhp, doesn't it? That would be quite a boost from an intake, especially if it's over and above the intake most of us already have. This is what makes it doubtful to me, but heh, the proofs in the pudding as they say so bring it on and let's see a standardized test to back it up. Until then, I'm happy with my good old RF, which has never let me down.

[-Ray-]

If indeed a 3 mph improvement in quarter mile speed is accurate that equates to about 25 rwhp, doesn't it? That would be quite a boost from an intake, especially if it's over and above the intake most of us already have. This is what makes it doubtful to me, but heh, the proofs in the pudding as they say so bring it on and let's see a standardized test to back it up. Until then, I'm happy with my good old RF, which has never let me down.

It would over and above what we had as stock equipment. Even the roto-fab helps ET.

[G8GTlawride]

my only doubt comes from all the OTR intakes for the Holdens... none of them are like the varraram but more like the new era. Not saying that Varraram cannot build a better system than the Australians but I wonder why they have never done this down under if its so much better? And an intake can only be so good... but 1/4 mile #'s will be the only thing that tells us the truth, and a dyno will not be any proof at all IMO. But I do look forward to testing it back to back with other designs at the track.

There are a few from down under. The problem with them being marketed is HEAT. They sit on top of the radiator and the heat being radiated into them was a problem. I have not inquired lately but since the radiators have not been re-located, then heat is still an issue.

I too look forward to the testing. I hope the new Veraram is a great product.

[jbradsh1]

; Just because a system worked on one type of car, doesn't mean it will have the same effect on another.

NO!

[Torqued]

Here's a couple of Austrailian OTRs that suck air from the front grill area.

One by Russo

http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/330/330966/folders/288183/2380320russootr.JPG

The other by Holden. They get all the good stuff...

http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/330/330966/folders/288183/2380319holdenotr.JPG

[G8GTlawride]

Haven't seen those. Just the ones whose filters are on top of the radiator. Still, have to keep the filter away from sources of heat.

[r33pwrd]

sorry but when your moving at 60 mph there is NO heat in fron of the radiator.

[G8GTlawride]

Not in front of, on top of.

[r33pwrd]

Not in front of, on top of.

I was refuring to the ones in the picture above... I cannot find either of them online to find pricing..

[jonasan50]

It looks as though with the filter box over the radiator, there is a definate possibility of heat soak..