GTS Dash...

[peterg22000]

I got my dash done, took a little trial and error, but it turned out pretty darn good! (ignore the wrong console trim for now, New one's on its way.)
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/G8/G8GT446.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/G8/G8GT448.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/G8/G8GT449.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/G8/G8GT450.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/G8/G8GT451.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/G8/G8GT452.jpg

I'll put together a write up late, for now I just wanted show my work :)

[GTPprix]

Looks awesome, BTW I have the OEM hardware for the lighing in white as well as the matching needles OR you since you are in Canada I can sell you a full HSV cluster retrofitted for your G8 to match if you'd like ;)

[Kermit]

That's looks great! Very nice job:clap::clap::clap:

[peterg22000]

Looks awesome, BTW I have the OEM hardware for the lighing in white as well as the matching needles OR you since you are in Canada I can sell you a full HSV cluster retrofitted for your G8 to match if you'd like ;)



what do you mean you have the OEM hardware for white lighting? and matching needles?

[GTPprix]

I have a contract with the OEM supplier to the people who make those gauges.I have the needles that match the G8 cluster with spun metal inserts as well as the correct OEM LED's (so you dont trash that binnacle :)). Or again you can just upgrade to the HSV dash and call it good :)

[peterg22000]

I have a contract with the OEM supplier to the people who make those gauges.I have the needles that match the G8 cluster with spun metal inserts as well as the correct OEM LED's (so you dont trash that binnacle :)). Or again you can just upgrade to the HSV dash and call it good :)

you have a PM coming..

[GTPprix]

I <3 PM's :)

[Steve]

So is it my eyes or is that cubbyhole cover a slightly different color than the rest? Does it still have the 12v out in there?

[peterg22000]

So is it my eyes or is that cubbyhole cover a slightly different color than the rest? Does it still have the 12v out in there?

the color it JUST off, the camera makes it look much worse.
so far I've lost the 12v outlet, but I have a solution on its way. ;)

[LDV60]

Looks really nice.
Is strange seeing the VOLTAGE guage in that config.
Mine doesn't read up so high. I think I max out at 16volts. with a min of 8volts.

[-Ray-]

Peter, that is just awesome!

[Panther 2]

Really a job well done!

[GRRRR8]

Nice work! Can the gauges be installed with out changing the other panels?

[G8Smitty]

Very nice! Where did you score the pod?

[jnak]

That looks really good. Nice job! I like the way the centre stack flows into the centre console.

[mjduell2009]

Nice work! Can the gauges be installed with out changing the other panels?

+1 ..... I know what my next interior mod is.

How do you hook up the gauges? Can you use the stock senders or wiring?

--Mike

[peterg22000]

the other panels do have to be changed, except for MAYBE the storage cubby.

If you get the full gauge pod (wiring and all) its a simple mater of tapping into the cars wiring harness, its only 5 wires +ground (12V, Ignition, Illumination, CAN High, CAN Low)

one thing though, I'm not sure if its the same for G8's, but the 08 modles in Australia don't work 100%, as the PCM isnt programed to work the oil temp gauge, but the 09's are. This may however not apply to the G8.

[99-LS1-SS]

How much did it cost you?

[peterg22000]

here is what I have for the write up so far.


HSV Triple Gauge Pod into 2009 G8 GT




The Hardest part of this project is getting the Parts, I lucked out and Got my Gauge pod off ebay for a good price. If your unable to obtain one by that or othre means, you will need to buy direct from Holden I used Crazy Paul to get me all my Holden parts, But I also found this dealer willing to ship to North America.

Suttons Motors Waitara
Spare Parts Department
90 Pacific Hwy Waitara, NSW, 2077
www.suttonswaitara.com.au
parts@suttonswaitara.com.au


The Part Numbers for the gauges/pod if you can't get them as a complete unit are...
HOUSING - Binnacle Gauges (Onyx)
B06-060601 $335.50rrp
engine oil temp
12J-060602 - $206rrp
oil pressure
12J-060603 - $206rrp
voltmeter
12J-060601 - $206rrp
guage harnesses
Harness CSTR WRG RRP
12H060601
Harness M/Func Ga Wrg
12H060602

(taken from LS1.com.au, all prices in Australian dollars)

as that should get you this.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/G8GT380.jpg

the Other parts needed are
MRC Blank
SV-12F-060607 - $36.98rrp
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/R1010419.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/R1010423.jpg
Stereo Centre Stack trim
GM-92170900 - $13.09rrp
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/R1010390.jpg
Ashtray Compartment
GM-92200591 - $60.50rrp
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/R1010401.jpg
Ashtray Compartment Door
GM-92170909 - $16.39rrp
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/R1010399.jpg
Gear Leaver Surround Trim (auto)
GM-92176910 - $94.50rrp
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/R1010450.jpg

the "ashtray" listed doesn't have a 12V outlet (lots of storage space) If you want the 12v outlet, you will need to NOT order part Numbers GM-92170909 & GM-92200591, and instead order the Calias/Calias V front & rear smokers package GM-92189928 - $125.00rrp
Front
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/R1010460.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/R1010461.jpg
Rear
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/R1010463.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/R1010464.jpg


Now that the parts are out of the way, installing them...

First thing I did was make a wiring harness for the gauge. I first cut off the connector as I could not find one that would go into it, and soudered about 2 feet of extra wire onto it
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/G8/G8GT423.jpg
Make sure you label the wires so not to lose track of which is which, the original wires are numbers B1-B6 (corrisponding with which pin they went to in the original connector seen here.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/HSV654321.jpg
the wires you added to them have to go down to thethe steering colum, 3 on the right side, 2 on the left..

the two that go to the left get wired into the headlight switch, they are wire B2(illumination) which gets spliced into the Yellow wire, and the other is B3 (ignition) which gets spliced into the Pink/Blue wire
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/G8/G8GT435.jpg

the other 3 that go on the other side under the dash guage cluster on the rhs there should be 3 plugs as pictured below
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/G8/G8GT384.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/G8/G8GT386.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x83/sixlitreclub/ColumnHarness.jpg
you need the plug on the left, push up on the plug and it will come out of the socket.
You will notice the the color of the wires into the plug from the dash harness are not the same as those comming out and going into the steering column.

Take note you will be connecting to the steering column side of the harness but need to identify the colors on the dash harness side.

Using the lables you have previously attched to the harness you made, on the column side of the harness, attach B6(CAN Low)to one of 2 wires that corresponds to the browns on the other side of the plug (2 in that harness), do the same with the brown/black(B5(CAN High)) and light blue(B1(12V Power Supply)). Cut the wires shorter if needed to make the harness tidy and not hanging everywhere. Make sure you tape up any joins with insulation tape and dont cut the vehicle harness, just strip back the insulation and solder your harness to it.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/G8/G8GT436.jpg

the last wire (B4) is the Ground wire, this can be grounded to the body under the radio.

For easy reference,
B1(12v) > Lt Blue
B2(Illumination) > Yellow
B3(Ignition) > Pink/Blue
B4(ground) > Gound to body
B5(CAN High) > Brown/Black
B6(can Low) > Brown


I'll write up the actual install on the parts either later tonight, or tomorrow..

[BlownG8GT]

nice work, I love the gauge cluster!

[GeorgeInNePa]

What size are the gauges?

Sorry if this has been posted and I missed it.

[peterg22000]

What size are the gauges?

Sorry if this has been posted and I missed it.

2"

[Cashed]

Man, that looks awesome. Now I am curious to see if this DOES work 100% on 08 G8s since an earlier post said that the gauges do not work 100% in 08 Commodores...

[GeorgeInNePa]

2"


Hmmm, are there any aftermarket 2" gauges?

[Cashed]

Hmmm, are there any aftermarket 2" gauges?

I am sure there are...probably cheaper than the Holden gauges, too.

[peterg22000]

I am sure there are...probably cheaper than the Holden gauges, too.

Maybe so, but Time=Money and the time it takes to install these is hardly anything!

no need for any aftermarket sensors or wiring under the hood of the car, or under the car itself...

[GrandPrix98GT]

Nice work... that looks so much better than stock.

[Cashed]

Maybe so, but Time=Money and the time it takes to install these is hardly anything!

no need for any aftermarket sensors or wiring under the hood of the car, or under the car itself...

Good point. Plug and play is hard to pass up.

[Crazy Paul]

saudi has posted another set of gauges up on ebay.com.au
AUD$250 price rise from last time.

:hang:

[peterg22000]

saudi has posted another set of gauges up on ebay.com.au
AUD$250 price rise from last time.

:hang:

yeah I saw that, I emailed him to ask him what the deal was (after he said mine would be his LAST)


he replied
" Hello, you bought the last of my original order. I was not planning on selling them anymore due to the cost of them. But due to a crate order i once again have a surplus. They owe me more this time hence the higher price. Thankyou for your concern."

[Crazy Paul]

yeah I saw that, I emailed him to ask him what the deal was (after he said mine would be his LAST)

he replied
" Hello, you bought the last of my original order. I was not planning on selling them anymore due to the cost of them. But due to a crate order i once again have a surplus. They owe me more this time hence the higher price. Thankyou for your concern."

I was talking to someone who got offered the original lot of pods....at that time nobody thought they could be retrofitted, so the interest level was minimal, and this guy didn't snap them up "cheap". He wouldn't tell me how much.

I guess saudi took the gamble and it paid off for him. He might be telling the truth about this new lot costing him more. My other guess is that he made a killing on the first batch.

[peterg22000]

found a cheap pod!....

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/VE-HOLDEN-HSV-COMMODORE-DASH-GAUGES-NEW_W0QQitemZ150311669719QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car _Parts_Accessories?hash=item150311669719&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

[GeorgeInNePa]

found a cheap pod!....

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/VE-HOLDEN-HSV-COMMODORE-DASH-GAUGES-NEW_W0QQitemZ150311669719QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car _Parts_Accessories?hash=item150311669719&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Already saw it.

:)

[-Ray-]

Looks like it can only be shipped to Aus.

[Crazy Paul]

Looks like it can only be shipped to Aus.

So where's the problem ?

Who wants it ???

: )


[Just so everybody is aware....the other 5 parts you need to fit this gauge set into G8-GT
come to US$210 landed at your door. I sent a set yesterday.]

[peterg22000]

Looks like it can only be shipped to Aus.

thats ok, 75% of everything on OZ ebay is "pick up only"

sometimes people are willing to ship dispit what there ad says.

[GeorgeInNePa]

So where's the problem ?

Who wants it ???

: )


[Just so everybody is aware....the other 5 parts you need to fit this gauge set into G8-GT
come to US$210 landed at your door. I sent a set yesterday.]

PM sent.

[peterg22000]

Last of the parts showed up today, everything is now done.
(new [automatic] gear shift surround.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/G8/G8GT524.jpg
new "ash tray" this time it actually IS and ashtray with an outlet (you kinda lose alot of room) :(
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/G8/G8GT523.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/G8/G8GT521.jpg

[Crazy Paul]

Well done Peter, that looks awesome !!!
Did the rear passengers' part of the smokers kit work out OK too ?

[peterg22000]

Well done Peter, that looks awesome !!!
Did the rear passengers' part of the smokers kit work out OK too ?

it was to late to do that part, I'll get that done tomorrow.:)

[Crazy Paul]

found a cheap pod!....

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/VE-HOLDEN-HSV-COMMODORE-DASH-GAUGES-NEW_W0QQitemZ150311669719QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car _Parts_Accessories?hash=item150311669719&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

End time: 1 hour 21 mins
Current bid: AU $572.90
History: 13 bids
High bidder: Bidder 4

It's getting up there now !!!

[Crazy Paul]

Winning bid: AU $572.90
Bidder 4

[peterg22000]

Winning bid: AU $572.90
Bidder 4

thats still way better then the starting bid for the other one, Maybe S.A.I will realize he's over shooting his market and lower his asking. I remember the one I got had a BIN of $999.99:wacko:


So, who here won the bidding?:boxing:

[J Wikoff]

Merry Christmas to me...

EDIT: oooh, hey, I've got a 10% ebay coupon that expires today. Fantastic.

[GeorgeInNePa]

Merry Christmas to me...

EDIT: oooh, hey, I've got a 10% ebay coupon that expires today. Fantastic.

Congrats!

I decided to not up my bid. I was Bidder 2. After Friday night at the strip, I've decided to forgo any "bling" and concentrate on the rest of my performance needs first.

Paul, I'm still looking for a price on the 3.27s. ;)

[TPMSXpress]

After reading about all the big money being spent to make our kickass G8's look like Holden HSV GTS's, I think it will be cheaper for me to just buy a HSV GTS and have it shipped to the U.S.

:angeldevil:





P.S. Just kidding guys...I would love to have the triple gauges in my G8 also!

[99-LS1-SS]

If they made a left hand steering version I might be inclined to look into it.

[BigRob]

Last of the parts showed up today, everything is now done.
(new [automatic] gear shift surround.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/G8/G8GT524.jpg
new "ash tray" this time it actually IS and ashtray with an outlet (you kinda lose alot of room) :(
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/G8/G8GT523.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/G8/G8GT521.jpg

dude i want!! how much for everything? easy install? i want i want!

[Crazy Paul]

dude i want!! how much for everything? easy install? i want i want!

Gauge pod from ebay.com.au (when available)

+

http://forum.grrrr8.net/showpost.php?p=29037&postcount=36

[BigRob]

your the man! i look forward to doin biz with ya everyone speaks very highly of you on a number of forums! thanks man!

[J Wikoff]

Has anyone seen a printer friendly version of the instructions to take the dash/console apart? The one linked on g8board has a black background and isn't copy and pastable into Word. Print preview from Explorer doesn't have most of the text.

[J Wikoff]

How does the radio faceplate come off? The write up says grab the bottom and pull, but I tried that, and I felt like I was going to break it... I've got the lower cubby out. Are there some screws that need come out?

[Steve]

Same here! kept on pulling till it started bending and then 'snap' it came off and broke all 4 brackets that were holding it in place.. oh well now it just sits in there hanging by the connectors.. lol

[peterg22000]

How does the radio faceplate come off? The write up says grab the bottom and pull, but I tried that, and I felt like I was going to break it... I've got the lower cubby out. Are there some screws that need come out?

its a real pain, you have to pull out with two hands and firmly as possible, try to use even presure as possible.

I never had mine "bending" like Steve said his did, but it did hold hard! and ONE of the CLIPS of mine broke, but 3 clips and all the electrical pins do hold it in very well.

[Crazy Paul]

How does the radio faceplate come off? The write up says grab the bottom and pull, but I tried that, and I felt like I was going to break it... I've got the lower cubby out. Are there some screws that need come out?

Thread here
http://www.forum.grrrr8.net/showthread.php?t=2268&highlight=fascia

[J Wikoff]

That answers my next question about the clips...

[J Wikoff]

Anyone know what type of connector this is?

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/HSV654321.jpg

[Crazy Paul]

Anyone know what type of connector this is?


Does it have anything written on it ?

I know I wrote down every part number I could find off all that HSV gear, but I dont have that one.

The big yellow main connectors in further are a Tyco and I have the part number for those, so maybe there's nothing on that white one.

I just rang my Holden/HSV parts supplier and gave them the complete pod part number......from that they found no available info on the main interface connectors.

[J Wikoff]

On the highest surface facing us above the 2 is A1 3
On the highest surface facing us above the 1 is 10796 with a right triangle above it.

[Crazy Paul]

I took pics of the white socket and the complete rear of the pod and all the Part Numbers I had, out to the Holden/HSV Parts warehouse this afternoon.
Nobody there could help me ID it.

Here's some bigger better pics of it. Maybe e-mail Caspers Electronics,Painless,Speartech or some of the bigger Auto Electrical supply places there.

http://picsorban.com/upload/p1010494.jpg

http://picsorban.com/upload/p1010496.jpg

[J Wikoff]

I appreciate the help, but don't kill yourself. I can get any number of 6 pin connectors if I need to and splice them in. Just hoping to find the match.

[peterg22000]

I appreciate the help, but don't kill yourself. I can get any number of 6 pin connectors if I need to and splice them in. Just hoping to find the match.

thats what I ended up doing.

Just make sure you don't lose track of which wire is which.

[J Wikoff]

I got a 6 pin trailer wiring harness from Autozone. 3 bucks. I finally got it all apart last night. It goes in this evening.

[peterg22000]

Well I found the proper conector, turned out i had it all along (even before I did mine)

I took it out of a scrap Toyota camry door (un sure of year)
it only has two pins in it, but more could be added.

[J Wikoff]

I finally got it wrapped up last night. I didn't take any pics because it's flippin cold in the garage and I just wanted to get the job done. I've get some end pics later.

Notes:
You don't need the smokers pack. The original lower cubby will mount back up. It moves back towards the shifter an inch or so, and now isn't as tucked under the radio. Also, the smokers cubby (with the door) doesn't have the same connector as the original cubby, so you'll need to look into that. I haven't yet.

Pay attention to how the lower console side trim panels sit before you remove them.

Pick out two screws that aren't necessary where there are or get two new screws that match what the trim has. The HSV pod will need two screws that you won't have.

One of Peter's steps says to pick out one of the two brown wires to tap into on the right side of the steering column. Mine had three. I picked one and it worked. I don't know if I got lucky or they all would work.

If you can figure out how to completely remove the glove box, do it. The radio harness is a bitch if you've got big hands and the glove box is hanging in the way.

You don't need to remove the shifter assembly. Even if you're tempted, it's a bitch to put back together because of the indicators. They just sit where they are, nestled into the back of the top plate. But are not held in place.

I got lucky I didn't break the speaker grill on the center of the dash. Some directions said to start at the windshield end. I couldn't get a hold of that end, so I had to start at the other end, and it was a pain in the ass.

It looks great though...

[peterg22000]

Also, the smokers cubby (with the door) doesn't have the same connector as the original cubby, so you'll need to look into that. I haven't yet.

there is a second wire pigtail pin up next to the radio on the passenger side, this is what meant for the smokers package, pop it out and put the old one back up there in its place, the new one has 3 wires, I believe the extra wire to be for the small light the lights up the ashtray.


the ashtray itself has a small clear cap on it to A) keep crap from falling threw the light hole & B) to help spread the light out within the cubby.
I removed this cap from the removable ashtray bit, as I will not be needing that, and popped it into the hole that remains for the light.

[J Wikoff]

Ah, I'll have to look for that. Did you ever get the rear cubby installed?

[99-LS1-SS]

Take pictures and post them up when you can.

[J Wikoff]

It'll probably be today or tomorrow. I have to dig back in. Yesterday, I'd realized I forgot to plug the radio antenna back in, so I took off the driver side lower trim to hook it back up. I put it back together, tested the radio and went inside. This morning... the guages don't work. I must have pulled on the wiring for the headlight switch. I made the harness to be removable with spade terminals.

[peterg22000]

Ah, I'll have to look for that. Did you ever get the rear cubby installed?

yeah..
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/G8/G8GT535.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/peterg22000/G8/G8GT534.jpg

[J Wikoff]

Is there wiring present for it?

[peterg22000]

yep, it's down by the floor on driver side, its a very tight fit in ther if I remember correctly..


didn't your smokers pack come with the install sheet?

[J Wikoff]

Yeah, but I didn't read the rear portion yet.

[J Wikoff]

Here's some pics. You can see the new two tone shifter as well.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/jwikoff99/G8/054.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/jwikoff99/G8/060.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/jwikoff99/G8/074.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/jwikoff99/G8/056.jpg

More pics here:

http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/jwikoff99/G8/

[peterg22000]

Looks good John,

while I like the Clean look ob the cubby with the door, I have to say the original bin is also very good looking, and having more space over the smokers package is kinda nice two.

[J Wikoff]

Hey Pete, do your guages work when you use the remote start? I haven't gone back in to check the wiring yet, but the two times I've used the remote start, the guages don't work, and won't work until I leave the car for a while and come back. Even if I turn the car off, open the door to turn of the RAP, and start the car again with the key.

[J Wikoff]

Peter has reminded me of the difference between his wiring and mine. His CAN LOW is connected to one of two brown wires in a connector to the right of the steering column. Mine has three brown wires... does anyone know if loss of CAN LOW would stop the whole gauge pod from working? No illumination, no needle motion.

[GTPprix]

Ok when you say CANLOW are you talking about Single Wire Low Speed CAN or HS-CAN (-)? If you are talking about the twisted pair HSCAN lines then YES if you are missing HSCAN (-) (low) then it wont work.

Although the Dash Lighting/Dimming is controlled by LSCAN (low speed single wire)

[J Wikoff]

I don't know, Pete just called it CAN LOW. I do not recall the wires being twisted around eachother any more than normal for a factory wiring job.

[GTPprix]

HSCAN should be a brown and brown with black tracer twisted pair LSCAN should be a single wire dark green if my memory serves.

[J Wikoff]

No dark greens in the connector.

[GTPprix]

Hrmm odd let me see what color it should be.

[J Wikoff]

I've got three browns, a brown/black, one light blue, and one black.

[GTPprix]

yeah its dark green in the G8, I didnt think they passed the dimming info on the HS bus has anyone gotten these to dim?
On the other note the low can hes talking about then is more than likely HSCAN- which should be brown and yes if its missing it wont get any data to display.

[J Wikoff]

Would it prevent illumination? The two times it happened, no illumination, no needle movement.

Mods, feel free to split this to a new thread if you feel the need.

[GTPprix]

It could, like I said i've only seen the illumination message passed on the single wire low speed can so I'm not 100% sure. It would FOR SURE keep it from displaying any data though.

[J Wikoff]

Well I tried the remote start after work, and the gauges came on with the remote start. And stayed on when I put the key in. I'm thinking I've got intermittant wiring or a funky gauge set that doesn't like the cold.

[GTPprix]

Yeah if you used T-Taps thats more than likely the case :)

[J Wikoff]

T-taps?

[GTPprix]

Some people call them a vampire tap, they wrap around a wire then you plug a blade into them.

[J Wikoff]

Ah. I used shielded female spades on the stock wiring and the male end on the pod harness so I can unhook it. The the females had problems, the car would have other issues because that circuit would be broken. So I may have pulled a male blade almost loose or something.

I googled the t-taps. I thought about those, but the stock wiring was too small for the ones I had.

[Featherburner]

Some people call them a vampire tap, they wrap around a wire then you plug a blade into them.
AKA the cheap lazy way that will come back and bite you in the ass. :)

[peterg22000]

yeah its dark green in the G8, I didnt think they passed the dimming info on the HS bus has anyone gotten these to dim?
On the other note the low can hes talking about then is more than likely HSCAN- which should be brown and yes if its missing it wont get any data to display.

there was no Green wire on mine.

there where 2 brown, 2 brown/black, and 2 different Blues...

Mine does work perfectly now, I had to switch the illumination wire to get the gauges to turn on and off where the control the came as the main gauges (the AUTO feature always worked)

now EVERYTHING works fine, including dimming of the lights..



side note, I only called it CAN high and CAN low because thats what the aussy sites said.

sources..
http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=97140
http://www.mechanikadc.cz/_soubory/CANcockpit.pdf (page 5)

[Crazy Paul]

I've got three browns, a brown/black, one light blue, and one black.


I sent you a PM.

I found a similar looking connector with the V shaped thingo on the top.

Brown
Brown
Brown/Black
Brown/Black
Light Blue
Black/Blue

[J Wikoff]

Replied. That sounds like the connector in question. And it matches the pod connector to boot.

For curiosity sake, what does that harness route to?

[J Wikoff]

This morning, I started the car with the key, the gauges were not working, and I went back in the house. Came back a few minutes later, still not working, turned to grab the belt, and looked back and just the volt gauge was working (lit and pointing at about 15 volts) and the other two weren't doing anything. Out of instinct, I thumped the top of the pod... still nothing. I turned the car off and back on, and they all worked. So I went on my way to work. After a few minutes the oil temp gauge was reading really high, over 110 deg C, when normally it wouldn't have left the bottom of the range yet. After a couple miles, it slowly settled in to what seemed to be about right when I got to work after a couple more minutes.

Does that sound even remotely like my wiring could have done it?

[wreckwriter]

Weird. I still think you have bad connection(s). First thing to check anyway. Do you know how to solder?

[J Wikoff]

Yeah, but I don't have any soldering equipment.

[wreckwriter]

Its not very pricey. I trust solder joints a lot more.

[evilb]

I've done a lot of wiring in the past, of aftermarket stereos, nav systems, aftermarket gauges (autometer), etc. and have always used t-taps (or vampire taps as someone called them) and male/female connectors with zero issues.

I don't think there has ever been a time where I saw or felt that soldering was necessary for gauge installs.

It's possible that you used the wrong sized t-taps for the wires that you've tapped into. They're not one-size-fits-all. I would check that before you go soldering and/or replacing things.

My $0.02.

B

[J Wikoff]

I didn't use t-taps.

[J Wikoff]

Hey Pete, did you use that one wire in the seperate little green connector? I don't remember seeing it in your instructions, so I didn't do anything with it.

[Grantski Barney]

You may want to check your ground as well, I had a difficult time getting the gauges in my truck to work correctly after I put them in. I have the triple pillar pod, so I feel your pain on tight wiring spots. Check all the connections, and your grounds and you should find the source. ALL CONNECTIONS ON ALL WIRES! I think you get the point.

[68rustang]

I spent sometime at a local audio shop looking through the adapter harnesses they had available. It looks like the Metra 71-7550 (http://retailer.installationexcellence.com/productfeatures.aspx?retailerid=1944&productid=1073&sid=CC32EB9A-D4F5-4911-9DCE-02110D105262)is what is needed to plug into the HSV gauge cluster. I say "looks" like because he only had the 70-7550 (http://retailer.installationexcellence.com/productfeatures.aspx?retailerid=1944&productid=1072&sid=CC32EB9A-D4F5-4911-9DCE-02110D105262)in stock but it pretty much exactly matched the gauge plug. I ordered the 71-7550 and will let you guys know for sure when it comes in.

[Crazy Paul]

http://mrpburke.com/fileupload/uploads/r1010496.jpg

[peterg22000]

I have a female plug that fits that I took out of a scrapped Toyota camry door.

[68rustang]

My next stop is going to be the junkyard if this Metra Nissan harness doesn't work.

Hey Paul,

two pieces that you may want to add to your kit for those of us with MY08 cars, #17 & #10 in the attached pic. With those two pieces the whole center console is converted to the dark silver of the 09 instead of the black.

http://forum.grrrr8.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=1501&stc=1&d=1239039702

[68rustang]

The Metra harness worked after I trimmed away a bit of the excess but I wouldn't recommend it. Now that I have wired my gauges up and seen the matching plug to the right of the steering column, IIRC one of the Metra harnesses for a Toyota would fit exactly. That also jives with Peter's junkyard find.

In my '08 all three gauges work.

[68rustang]

Looks awesome, BTW I have the OEM hardware for the lighing in white as well as the matching needles OR you since you are in Canada I can sell you a full HSV cluster retrofitted for your G8 to match if you'd like ;)

Chris,

What is the best way to get ahold of you? I have tried through your website and sent a few PM's about these but never heard back.

Has anybody figured out the dimming issue yet?

[68rustang]

I am apparently talking to myself here lately...

My gauges light up opposite of the dash. If the dash lights are off, the gauge lights are on. If the dash lights are on the gauge lights turn off. Is this normal for these gauges? I thought the dimming issue was that they stayed on all the time. Mine are hooked up exactly the same as peterg22000's gauges.

[J Wikoff]

Mine are on all the time, except when I use night mode to turn off all the lights but the speedo and DIC. The needles stay active but the lights turn off. They don't dim with the dimmer.

I think Peter git his to dim and only light up with the dash, but I don't know if he updated his write up. I remember he tapped into a different wire in the headlight switch harness.

I kinda like mine doing what they do. They light up and run when I use the remote start, so it gives a cool effect from outside the car at night. And they aren't bright enough to bug me at night.

[68rustang]

Peter, Anymore info?



Mine does work perfectly now, I had to switch the illumination wire to get the gauges to turn on and off where the control the came as the main gauges (the AUTO feature always worked)

now EVERYTHING works fine, including dimming of the lights..

[peterg22000]

Peter, Anymore info?

what info was it you where looking for? I'll help with whatever I can..

[68rustang]

Is the write-up in post #19 up to date? You stated in the post I quoted that your gauges light and dim correctly with the dash by switching the illumination wire but you didn't say what you switched it to. I am 90% sure I wired mine exactly as you outlined in the write-up but I am obviously getting different results.

[peterg22000]

Is the write-up in post #19 up to date? You stated in the post I quoted that your gauges light and dim correctly with the dash by switching the illumination wire but you didn't say what you switched it to. I am 90% sure I wired mine exactly as you outlined in the write-up but I am obviously getting different results.

No, Post #19 isnt 100% up to date. the only real difference is the illumination wire that I have listed ot go into the Yellow line. I now have that switched out to a different wire, but I cannot remember which colour its on now.

I'll try to get in there and look for you.

[68rustang]

Thanks, I am going to try and open it back up this weekend.

http://forum.grrrr8.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=1668&stc=1&d=1240492354

[Biggeo]

That looks great! Good job!

[J Wikoff]

Mine are on all the time, except when I use night mode to turn off all the lights but the speedo and DIC. The needles stay active but the lights turn off. They don't dim with the dimmer.

I take this back. Mine DO dim with the dimmer. I guess I didn't pay much attention to that when I got them hooked up. I don't adjust my dimmer much either.

[68rustang]

How do you have yours wired?

[J Wikoff]

As written in the write up, IIRC.

[68rustang]

3-month old children really eat up spare time ;)

So I finally was able to get into the dash again and check out what is going on with my wiring. It turns out wiring it up as the write up states the gauges do dim with the rest of the dash, but it is still screwy. Maybe it is the way they are, maybe they should be wired different. I am just trying to figure it out.

Using the auto headlights, when the headlights are ON/TURN ON AUTOMATICALLY the dash lights up, the gauges light up, the dash and gauges can be dimmed with the dimmer. :thumbsup:

Using the auto headlights, when the headlights are OFF/TURN OFF AUTOMATICALLY the dash lights turn off, the gauges stay on. :uhm:

Using the auto headlights, if I MANUALLY TURN OFF the headlights the dash lights turn off, the gauges stay on. :uhm:

During they day, auto headlights are enabled but automatically off, the dash lights are OFF, the gauges are ON, if I MANUALLY TURN ON the headlights the dash lights turn ON, the gauges TURN OFF. If I manually turn the headlights OFF, the dash turns off the gauges turn back on :uhm: :uhm:

How do yours act?

[peterg22000]

I keep forgetting about this..

that is not have my gauges work (atleast not now)

I'll get the wiring for you tomorrow.

[68rustang]

I would really appreciate it.

[peterg22000]

I would really appreciate it.

ok, Massive Hail storm, car parked outdoors... Don't know if I'll get it for you today..



maybe if it clears out..

[J Wikoff]

Mine are always lit unless I enable night mode. And dim with the dash guages.

[68rustang]

I disconnected the yellow wire, B2 in the write up, and it works better. They are always on now and dim with the dash. It would be nice If I could get to the point that they act exactly like the dash lights but this is better than before.

Peter I still look forward to hearing how yours are wired.


the two that go to the left get wired into the headlight switch, they are wire B2(illumination) which gets spliced into the Yellow wire, and the other is B3 (ignition) which gets spliced into the Pink/Blue wire
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...G8/G8GT435.jpg

[peterg22000]

I disconnected the yellow wire, B2 in the write up, and it works better. They are always on now and dim with the dash. It would be nice If I could get to the point that they act exactly like the dash lights but this is better than before.

Peter I still look forward to hearing how yours are wired.

Got it for you, take the Illumination wire that was connected to the yellow on the light control switch, and relocate it to the White wire with the silver tracer rings/bands (NOT the white with the tracer line running along its length)

this will give you NEAR perfect lighting..

the only thing I've noticed is that when the sun is just started to set, and the dash light come on, but its not dark enough for the headlights to turn on, the three gauge dont light up, but if you cover the sensor they will. But this isn't really a big deal IMO as every other function works perfect, when it gets dark enough for the headlights to come on automaticly the gauges do light up.
:woohoo:

[68rustang]

Thank you for taking the time to check that out.

[peterg22000]

no problem, sorry it took me so long to do so...

[peterg22000]

so did you switch the wire? how's it work for you now?


I knocked the wire loose checking for you, now the gauges are always lite... Time to open it up AGAIN and sauder the wires..

[68rustang]

Yes it worked. Thanks.

In addition to the "dusk" quirk you mentioned above they also do not turn off at night if I manually turn off the headlights and dash lights. Not a big deal and better than before.

[J Wikoff]

Ok, so what are the different options and the results of each illumination wire?

[68rustang]

My post #121 explained as best I could how things operated when following the write up and using the yellow wire at the headlight switch.

Following Peter's advice I switched from the yellow wire to the white/silver wire.

Now it works as expected with two exceptions, at dusk, the gauge lights do not turn on until it gets really dark. At night when they do turn on they do not turn off with the rest of the dash lights if I manually turn them off. I never do that so it doesn't bother me.

[J Wikoff]

Do yours turn off with night mode?

[68rustang]

What do you mean by night mode?

[J Wikoff]

Hold the dimmer buttons for a couple seconds when the lights are on. All the dash lights go out but the speedo and DIC. Even the radio goes dark.

[peterg22000]

mine do shut off in night/stealth mode and dim with the dash..

the problem you're discribing is something I wouldn't have noticed as Canadian cars don't have the option to turn off the lights while in gear.

its still way better wired this way.

[J Wikoff]

I've been wondering... can the wiring in the left over atari harness be used for some of the needed wires?

[68rustang]

Not as far as I can tell.

[GeoffA]

Subscribed, I should be getting a triple gauge pod in the mail soon!

Any new updates on U.S. spec wiring?

[Panzer Leader]

Assume these only work on the V8 engines?

[GeoffA]

Time to start wiring it all up...


This is what I'm going by-

http://forum.grrrr8.net/showpost.php?p=19786&postcount=19

http://forum.grrrr8.net/showpost.php?p=87431&postcount=127

Any other tips that might help let me know, the MAC will be right next to me...



:cheers:

[GeoffA]

Grey (B5), Green (12v), Purple (B6) are the wires that you want in the harness that's on the right of the steering column.



:cheers:

[MIEngineer]

Good information, I'll be adding mine in the spring when I take it out of storage...

[GeoffA]

Here is another TIP:

somewhere on here it says you lose two screws because the HSV pod + parts require two more...

MYTH BUSTED

You actually gain 7 screws by taking off the old console.

So, all I did was take two silver screws off the old console and put them behind the two glove box removable plastic plates and used two of the black ones elsewhere...

http://inlinethumb23.webshots.com/45398/2370388650036311313S600x600Q85.jpg


http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/45430/2692111510036311313S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb44.webshots.com/42155/2402785290036311313S600x600Q85.jpg






:cheers:

[GeoffA]

And my HSV pod, by the connector had B1-6 printed on the yellow wire, so I didn't have to mark each one.

[J Wikoff]

How do you gain 7 screws unless you don't put them back in? When I did mine, I had two more threaded holes than I had screws to put in them. So I chose the two holes that seemed like they did the least and left them empty.

All of my pods wires were labeled. Depending on where the wire was cut off the spool, some labels were close to the connector, some weren't.

[GeoffA]

How do you gain 7 screws unless you don't put them back in? When I did mine, I had two more threaded holes than I had screws to put in them. So I chose the two holes that seemed like they did the least and left them empty.

All of my pods wires were labeled. Depending on where the wire was cut off the spool, some labels were close to the connector, some weren't.

From taking off the old center console. All the screws that hold in the cubby plate on top and the air vents.

Those seven screws are the same.

[Crazy Paul]

Aftermarket "custom" gauge faces and electrical plug info here :

http://www.forum.grrrr8.net/showthread.php?t=12520

[GeoffA]

This is what I'm talking about, the seven silver screws on the old console. I took the two out from the top-

http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/43729/2779009470036311313S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/46229/2908689190036311313S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb54.webshots.com/27573/2057794160036311313S600x600Q85.jpg


And here are mine now-
BEFORE
http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/43523/2798837050036311313S600x600Q85.jpg

After, notice the HSV logo I incorporated into the Aeroforce gauge
http://inlinethumb47.webshots.com/44078/2618122080036311313S600x600Q85.jpg

I too used the stock cubby with the 12v inlet. I opted not to use the smokers kit that I got from CRAZY PAUL

http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/46139/2399901090036311313S600x600Q85.jpg






:cheers:

[Crazy Paul]

Illumination Diagram

[GeoffA]

Illumination Diagram

where is that located, I really can't tell from the pic?

[Crazy Paul]

where is that located, I really can't tell from the pic?

Brown Connector at the Body Control Module.

"The installation was pretty straight forward with the only difference in the wiring that the xxxxxx sent from what is on the GRRRR8 forum dealing with the 1080 Illumination circuit.
Instead of tapping into the white/silver wire running from the headlamp connector, xxxxxx had me splice into the brown connector at the BCM, white w/yellow tracer wire (see attachment for the pin location). This has the lighting on the HSV gauges operating exactly like the main instrument cluster lighting."

[GeoffA]

Brown Connector at the Body Control Module.

"The installation was pretty straight forward with the only difference in the wiring that the xxxxxx sent from what is on the GRRRR8 forum dealing with the 1080 Illumination circuit.
Instead of tapping into the white/silver wire running from the headlamp connector, xxxxxx had me splice into the brown connector at the BCM, white w/yellow tracer wire (see attachment for the pin location). This has the lighting on the HSV gauges operating exactly like the main instrument cluster lighting."


OK last question, maybe :dodge:

Where is the BCM located?






:cheers:

[Crazy Paul]

OK last question, maybe :dodge:
Where is the BCM located?
:cheers:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/Instructions/BCM_03.jpg

To the right of the steering column.
I do not know which of the BCM group connectors is the brown one.

[GeoffA]

Jees, You could of atleast posted this BEFORE I did the install :)

All the other wires go right there in that general area too. I wonder if there is a difference with how they light up?

[Crazy Paul]

Jees, You could of atleast posted this BEFORE I did the install :)
All the other wires go right there in that general area too. I wonder if there is a difference with how they light up?

Yes it was very slack of me indeed.
Talk with peterg22000 or some of the other guys in this thread about how their lighting performs and how they have it wired. I know there were problems in the early days.
As far as I know only one USA guy has wired into the BCM (quoted as above) and he is happy with the results.

[GeoffA]

The way I did it in this post http://forum.grrrr8.net/showpost.php?p=87431&postcount=127 works. Dims and shuts off on night mode. I don't know how the auto feature works in the sun light because I own a GARAGE QUEEN. But I do know they don't shut off when I turn the light knob to the left (auto lights OFF), the rest of the dash lights go off but not the gauges.

I'm not too worried about it now. Maybe if I feel up to it I'll tinker with the BCM too.
Thanks CP

[jzpiano]

Yes it was very slack of me indeed.
Talk with peterg22000 or some of the other guys in this thread about how their lighting performs and how they have it wired. I know there were problems in the early days.
As far as I know only one USA guy has wired into the BCM (quoted as above) and he is happy with the results.

I'm trying to understand the wiring with this as this is not my forte. I have 6 wires to connect. I'm making the plug connector like MIEngineer did to connect the B1, B5 and B6 wires to the right of the steering column. The B4 wire is the ground and I'm going to attach to underneath the radio area. The B2 and B3 I have two choices with, if I connect them to the headlight switch B2 goes to the yellow wire and B3 would go to the pink/blue wire. The other option is to connect into the white/yellow on the BCM which should give me perfect lighting to match the dash. If I go this route do both the B2 and B3 wires get spliced into the white/yellow one on the BCM?

[Panzer Leader]

Damn I really like the analog gauges but after reading all the posts, I am kinda glad I went with the Atari. (No not really I WANT ANALOG GAUGES!)

[jzpiano]

Damn I really like the analog gauges but after reading all the posts, I am kinda glad I went with the Atari. (No not really I WANT ANALOG GAUGES!)

LOL I don't blame you. These things have been a huge headache for me. Although it doesn't help when you don't get the right parts with the gauges when you thought you were getting them and already had the car ripped apart.....

On the plus side I got all the wiring ready to go except for the above question that I still need some help with regarding the B2 & B3 wiring to the BCM and how that all would work.

[GeoffA]

Time to start wiring it all up...


This is what I'm going by-

http://forum.grrrr8.net/showpost.php?p=19786&postcount=19

http://forum.grrrr8.net/showpost.php?p=87431&postcount=127

Any other tips that might help let me know, the MAC will be right next to me...



:cheers:

This is how I did the B2 and B3



the two that go to the left get wired into the headlight switch, they are wire B2(illumination) which gets spliced into the White wire with the silver tracer rings/bands, and the other is B3 (ignition) which gets spliced into the Pink/Blue wire
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...G8/G8GT435.jpg

[jzpiano]

This is how I did the B2 and B3

I take it you never had a chance to mess around with connecting it to the BCM? It seems like if I go to the headlight switch then everything will work like stock except if I manually turn the headlight switch off and then the gauges won't turn off. I was hoping that by going into the BCM that problem would also be eliminated and they would act exactly like the stock gauges. Can anyone confirm or deny?

[GeoffA]

I keep mine on auto, and turn the day light runners off all the time I go to start the car (I turn the lights off) and the gauges are not lit up.

So with that said, when it starts to get dark outside even though my headlights are off, the gauges do light up. But they do turn off in stealth/Night mode and dim and brighten using the buttons.

No, I never did play with the BCM way to do it.

[peterg22000]

I keep mine on auto, and turn the day light runners off all the time I go to start the car (I turn the lights off) and the gauges are not lit up.

So with that said, when it starts to get dark outside even though my headlights are off, the gauges do light up. But they do in stealth/Night mode and during the day.

No, I never did play with the BCM way to do it.


your gauges stay lit in stealth mode??

if so you have them wired wrong..

[GeoffA]

Nope, I'll edit that.

They shut off in stealth.

[WhiteDeathLSX]

Looks awesome, BTW I have the OEM hardware for the lighing in white as well as the matching needles OR you since you are in Canada I can sell you a full HSV cluster retrofitted for your G8 to match if you'd like ;) I know this post is only 2 years old.... :) I sent you a PM!

[SS DAVE]

i just swapped over to a five guage cluster from performance defined ,i added a trans temp and a afr guage.plus i added a hsv instrument cluster that was fairly tricky to get working.

[VegasNate]

i just swapped over to a five guage cluster from performance defined ,i added a trans temp and a afr guage.plus i added a hsv instrument cluster that was fairly tricky to get working.

Great work! I would love to do an HSV cluster in my G8.

[SS DAVE]

yeah the 3 window cluster is great ,got instant fuel all the time ,tells me when in afm or not ,tells me litres used and left in the tank,plus white dials that match the binnicle guages.

[MIEngineer]

Looks great with the HSV cluster.

[whitehot09]

I want one of these GTS dash gauges. the searching begins.

[GTPprix]

Wont work in a G8 (if you are talking about the IPC that is ;))