New SRT Challanger

[WARLOCK]

So I work with a guy who has an 09 srt8 challanger (no he won't run the G) who says dodge is tight lip about the new challanger. He's thinking it's suppose to be some monster to destroy the camaro and new mustang. I'm not buying it. Anyone got any insite??

[caretaker]

Rumor is that it will have a 6.4-liter Hemi that will make 480 HP and 460 lb-ft of torque.
Plus a new 8 speed automatic transmission.

[Bonnetts02Vette]

make that 525hp and 510 lb ft torque and 5 speed auto tranny from what ive seen, possible tr-6060 6 spd manual could be an option too. if this is all the case, it should easily destroy the camaro and 5.0 stang in performance aspect. but im sure it will handle like shit since im sure it will be a solid rear.

[OLD_GOAT]

The SRT8 is already around 10K more expensive than the 5.0 Stang and 6.2 Camaro. I bet this new engine will jack the price higher than the SRT8 by several more thousand.

[caretaker]

make that 525hp and 510 lb ft torque and 5 speed auto tranny from what ive seen, possible tr-6060 6 spd manual could be an option too. if this is all the case, it should easily destroy the camaro and 5.0 stang in performance aspect. but im sure it will handle like shit since im sure it will be a solid rear.

Could be 525 / 510. Here is where I got my info.
http://wot.motortrend.com/6660937/auto-news/report-2011-dodge-challenger-srt8-to-get-480-horsepower-v-6-up-to-300/index.html
After a little more investigation it looks like the 8 speed won't be available until 2013,
so a 5 or 6 speed is probably more likely.
Estimated starting price for the 2011 SRT is $43,100.

[WARLOCK]

Hmmmm well just making conversation..
Yeah I agree dodge has lost their fing mind with their price tag. I laughed at the dealer when I looked at one before buying the g. And yes they will only get higher. I was just wondering. Hell I ain't buying one. Further more who really cares about handling with any of these cars. If that was what we was into we would all be sporting rice burners or German stuff. Not blasting by no means! just sayin. None of them are real canyon carvers

[wnt2gofst]

I have to say the chally is over priced by far...That is what turned me to the camaro ande G8. The final thing was room, and the wait for the camaro since i would have had to order it.

[PMD G8]

So I work with a guy who has an 09 srt8 challanger (no he won't run the G) who says dodge is tight lip about the new challanger. He's thinking it's suppose to be some monster to destroy the camaro and new mustang. I'm not buying it. Anyone got any insite??

Rumor is the '08 SEMA viper engined Challenger has been seen running around Detroit recently......can't remember exactly where I read that though...think it was a car mag. This could mean absolutely nothing, but......you never know.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/10/14/sema-preview-dodge-bringing-viper-powered-challenger-srt10-conc/

[NYG8GT]

There can be nothing good to come from an 8 speed. Gear hunting much? Our 6 speed is too much as it is. These car companies need to just stop for a minute and think about keeping things a little more simple. There is no reason to go with more than 5 speeds. I long for a GM 4 speed auto again after dealing with this awful 6L80 :(

[WARLOCK]

Now u know.... U kind of have a point there. for the crap I don't like about the 6 speed auto there's stuff good about it too but ur right. KISS method goes a long way

[todds87ss]

my trans is the main reason I can beat these SRT8 folks all day at the track (and still log 22 mpg). Better gear ratios.

[Slizzo]

There can be nothing good to come from an 8 speed. Gear hunting much? Our 6 speed is too much as it is. These car companies need to just stop for a minute and think about keeping things a little more simple. There is no reason to go with more than 5 speeds. I long for a GM 4 speed auto again after dealing with this awful 6L80 :(

This 6speed auto is one reason we get as good mileage as we do while still being able to be quick.


Also, it's a pretty stout transmission, and with tuning makes the car worlds quicker. I haven't seen anything really truly bad about it so far.... But then I'm not going for insane power levels.


Also, look at BMW and Porsche (and Audi, and Lexus and on and on) transmissions. They seem to be doing just fine with 7+ gears.

[NYG8GT]

We get good mileage? Since when? You mean the 25mpg at 60mph on a flat section of highway? Like that's completely realistic. I'd rather have my 3 deep ratios, a 4th OD, and a decent rear gear to tie it all together. You know, like what 4th gen LS1 F-bodies, cars much faster than ours, used to get good performance and high teens in the city and close to 30 on the highway.

[DRCUSTOMPARTS]

The 6-speed is definitely faster than a 4-speed auto. Go drive a 6.0 GTO with a 4-speed auto and you'll see what a dog it is.

[Tweaky]

LS1 cars got 30mpg hwy when they had an M6, not an A4. And the A4 was slower. Buddy with an 98 SS with full SLP and M6 could almost keep up with my G8 when I was stock...an 2002 A4 Firehawk was a bus or two back.

[TyG8GXP]

LS1 cars got 30mpg hwy when they had an M6, not an A4. And the A4 was slower. Buddy with an 98 SS with full SLP and M6 could almost keep up with my G8 when I was stock...an 2002 A4 Firehawk was a bus or two back.
Plus they were easily 500-600 pounds lighter than our cars, with a little bit smaller of a motor. 6th gear for the LS1 M6 car is really low as well, IIRC, they do only about 1800 rpms at 80 mph.

[youngrushhour]

make that 525hp and 510 lb ft torque and 5 speed auto tranny from what ive seen, possible tr-6060 6 spd manual could be an option too. if this is all the case, it should easily destroy the camaro and 5.0 stang in performance aspect. but im sure it will handle like shit since im sure it will be a solid rear.

Everything I've read has said 480. Never heard 525 before.

[NYG8GT]

LS1 cars got 30mpg hwy when they had an M6, not an A4. And the A4 was slower. Buddy with an 98 SS with full SLP and M6 could almost keep up with my G8 when I was stock...an 2002 A4 Firehawk was a bus or two back.

Well that's just sad and either you have a ringer, their cars are factory dogs, or they couldnt drive. An M6 SS is low 13's and an A4 Firehawk should be mid 13's easily. How you could beat both of them, the Firehawk by a bus or two especially, just doesn't make sense.

[caretaker]

HERE WE GO!
Another pissin' contest! :pee: :pee:

[gr8lover]

There can be nothing good to come from an 8 speed. Gear hunting much? Our 6 speed is too much as it is. These car companies need to just stop for a minute and think about keeping things a little more simple. There is no reason to go with more than 5 speeds. I long for a GM 4 speed auto again after dealing with this awful 6L80 :(

+1..... and Chrylser tans suck 10x worse than GM's..... like playing hide and go seek.... never know when are where you will find a gear!!!!

[JoeSyko]

As you can see from my sig pic, I've got my feet in both gene pools. I enjoy both cars immensely so you wont get any mopar bashing from me. That being said, I think the interior of the Challenger blows away the G8 (and from what I've seen, the Camaro & Mustang as well). Also, the car just feels more solid. As far as retro, none match the retro looks of the Challenger IMO. MPG's are comparable to the G8 with freeway driving but the G8 does far better in the city. The Challenger price tag, however, is crazy high in comparison to the other muscle car offerings so I have to agree with the complaints on the price. Performance wise, you can do much better for less money but in the end, I will still pay 10K more for a Challenger rather than buy a Camaro or Mustang. But that's just me.

If you want the real word on the 2011 Challenger, check out this thread: http://www.challengertalk.com/forums/f5/2011-challenger-information-thread-40234/

The OP in that thread (ResumeSpeed) is pretty well known for having insider info and what he has posted there can pretty much be taken to the bank.

It looks like right now, 480hp is what they are claiming. However, I have a feeling they are underrating it until it is released. Anything under 500hp would be unacceptable IMHO. Time will tell.

[m1tankr]

DR's right about that. I had an '06 GTO A4 & now have the G8 A6. The A6 is worlds better, much better mpg & performance. I was lucky to get 14mpg city in the Goat. The G8 gets me 17mpg at my worst. With the tune I knocked down 30mpg on the highway in the G8 cruising over 70. The A6 has much fewer holes in the powerband than the A4 (even with both tuned). The GTO was much easier to be caught out of the sweet spot when you nailed it. The G8 easily gets 3 mpg better city, & the highway is even better. That was one thing I was actually looking forward to w/the G8. I test drove an '10 A6 Camaro (closer comparison to GTO) & that was even better in performance & mpg ratings were higher. Once more experience is gained w/the A6's, they'll get even better.

Back on target. I doubt Dodge is going to drop the V10 in the Challenger/Charger SRT. The mpg would kill their corporate avgs for the new standards. I think realistically they will come up to the 420hp level as they need to to stay competitive (it'll still be slower w/the weight), but that will give them a better ability to sell it if they can claim similar power numbers. I could see them trying for close to 500 for the SRT8. They've all ready priced themselves out of direct competition w/the Mustang & Camaro. It's mostly a niche car for Mopar diehards. Dodge has some serious budget issues & is much more focused on trying to come out w/decent product that they're new owners will agree with. Viper being killed off doesn't bode well for the performance future. The Challenger sure is a nice looking car tho'. Wish it was competitive.

[Slizzo]

Agree with your post, however one small thing.

The SRTs are already making 425HP... 480 sounds about right for a small bump in displacement.

[ULTRA Z]

LS1 cars got 30mpg hwy when they had an M6, not an A4. And the A4 was slower. Buddy with an 98 SS with full SLP and M6 could almost keep up with my G8 when I was stock...an 2002 A4 Firehawk was a bus or two back.

my LS1 1998 bone stock got 28 hwy mpg and ran 13.3s at 101mph on high milage tires i won't say so much that the A4 were slower however a handfull of them had 2.73 gears factory and they were turds 13.8s as for my car came factory with 3.55 gears

[WARLOCK]

As you can see from my sig pic, I've got my feet in both gene pools. I enjoy both cars immensely so you wont get any mopar bashing from me. That being said, I think the interior of the Challenger blows away the G8 (and from what I've seen, the Camaro & Mustang as well). Also, the car just feels more solid. As far as retro, none match the retro looks of the Challenger IMO. MPG's are comparable to the G8 with freeway driving but the G8 does far better in the city. The Challenger price tag, however, is crazy high in comparison to the other muscle car offerings so I have to agree with the complaints on the price. Performance wise, you can do much better for less money but in the end, I will still pay 10K more for a Challenger rather than buy a Camaro or Mustang. But that's just me.

If you want the real word on the 2011 Challenger, check out this thread: http://www.challengertalk.com/forums/f5/2011-challenger-information-thread-40234/

The OP in that thread (ResumeSpeed) is pretty well known for having insider info and what he has posted there can pretty much be taken to the bank.

It looks like right now, 480hp is what they are claiming. However, I have a feeling they are underrating it until it is released. Anything under 500hp would be unacceptable IMHO. Time will tell.

Thanks for the post.. I agree with most everything u say on the challanger.. it is for sure the best looking retro ever built.. doesnt change the fact that dodge is smoking crack with the price tag, but it is an awesome looking car. must be nice to have one of each..

[Tweaky]

Well that's just sad and either you have a ringer, their cars are factory dogs, or they couldnt drive. An M6 SS is low 13's and an A4 Firehawk should be mid 13's easily. How you could beat both of them, the Firehawk by a bus or two especially, just doesn't make sense.

Because I have a GXP :). Half a second at 110mph is 80ft.

The MPG difference is due to the half ton extra I am hauling, the half a liter extra displacement, and aerodynamics...the G8 is a brick compared to 4th Gens.


On topics ( or more so anyhow)....I have seen both the 480hp and 500+ numbers for the 6.4L SRT upgrade. Either way, should be plenty to handle the Camaro/Mustang for a model year or so.

[m1tankr]

Agree with your post, however one small thing.

The SRTs are already making 425HP... 480 sounds about right for a small bump in displacement.

Yeah, I meant they need to get the R/T up to the 420hp level to be marketable now that the initial buyers are done buying.

[Slizzo]

Well supposedly the "base" 5.7L hemi is supposed to get a power boost as well correct?

[JoeSyko]

.. it is for sure the best looking retro ever built.. doesnt change the fact that dodge is smoking crack with the price tag, but it is an awesome looking car.

Agreed. I am personally willing to spend the extra on the Challenger simply for the passion I've had for that car since I was a kid. My folks had a 1970 & I was hooked. When the concept came out it was all over. One of those "I don't care how much it costs, it will be mine!" things.


must be nice to have one of each.

I am fortunate enough to have a woman who shares my passion with the American Muscle car & together we were able to make our dream cars a reality. I am blessed for sure.

[youngrushhour]

"Hemi"