Front Suspension - Lower Control Arms

[Crazy Paul]

2008 & 2009 Part Numbers

Rear Straight Control Arm ...........(Item 5)
92183309 Right Hand Side ---- No Longer Available in Aus, Use 92244050.
92183310 Left Hand Side ---- No Longer Available in Aus, Use 92244051.

Front Dog-Leg Control Arm ..........(Item 7)
92224668 Right Hand Side --- No Longer Available in Aus, Use 92244046
92224667 Left Hand Side --- No Longer Available in Aus, Use 92244047
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UPDATED CONTROL ARMS BELOW CAN BE USED ON 2008+ CARS.
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VE9R 2009.5+ Part Numbers

Rear Straight Control Arm .............(Item 5)
92244050 Right Hand Side ----
92244051 Left Hand Side ----

Front Dog-Leg Control Arm ...................... (Item 7)
92244046 Right Hand Side ---
92244047 Left Hand Side ---

Just buy the Complete Kit of 4 (2009.5) arms with fasteners there in USA for about $220. GM Kit Part Number 92249538



VE1 2011+ Part Numbers

VE 9.5 Individual Arms----supercedes to-----VE1 (2011) Individual Arms
92244046--------------------------------------> 92253412
92244047--------------------------------------> 92253411
92244050--------------------------------------> 92250640
92244051--------------------------------------> 92250641

No Kit Number has been released yet for the full set of 4 2011 arms with fasteners.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/R1010023_01.jpg

[Crazy Paul]

Item 5 looks like this, it has the ball joint fitted at one end and a hollow bush at the other.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/VE%20under/R1010105.jpg

[Snakey]

Thanks for the update! I hope my dealer has the right parts.

[Crazy Paul]

Item 7 looks like this, it has the ball joint fitted at one end and a hollow bush at the other.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/VE%20under/P1010476_02.jpg

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[vic2186]

which one is the one that starts to rattle

[Chewy]

which one is the one that starts to rattle

Every damn one of them! I personally replaced all four on mine. They ALL use the same POS ball joint.

Chris

[Crazy Paul]

If you are unsure about which version of control arms are currently fitted to your car you can check the Casting Numbers on each arm.
Casting Numbers are not the same as the GM part numbers for each part , although they are close in sequence.

This is a 2008-2009 Right hand rear straight control arm. GM Part No 92183309.
The Casting number on this arm is 92182846
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/VE%20under/P1010105.jpg


The new version of the above is the 2010 Right hand rear straight control arm. GM Part No 92244050.
The Casting number on this arm is 92244052.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/VE%20under/P1010476.jpg

Likewise the new 2010 Left hand rear straight control arm. GM Part No 92244051.
The Casting number on this arm is 92244053.

2010 Left hand front dogleg control arm. GM Part No 92244047.
The Casting number on this arm is 92244049.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/VE%20under/P1010476_03.jpg

2010 Right hand front dogleg control arm. GM Part No 92244046.
The Casting number on this arm is 92244048.

[Crazy Paul]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/VE%20under/P1010478.jpg

[Panzer Leader]

So Paul. were you able to compare the these with the old ones? Differences/improvements found? How do these appear to compare with the newaftermarket ones from Kolar and Spohn. And finally, are BMR and Pedders still developing theirs? This is an issue that should be discussed at the National Meet. As for me, I am STILL getting the run around from the Dealer who says that the LCAs and driveshaft are not in stock in the U.S. and that the ship bring them ver was either attacked by pirates, or eaten by a giant squid. This is another issue that we need to turn into a matrix type fact sheet. Paul I am glad that you are there to help but I have a warranty with GM plus the extended warranty from GM back by the Federal Government as sworb to me on TV by the Prez. (Excuse me I just had a laughing spasm) So I can see why I have to pay for somerthing that GM knows is their problem. Perhaps the idea of a class action lawsuit against GM needs to be discussed at te National Meet.

[travis gore]

thanks for the info.I had all 4 of mine done a few months back. I will check later to see if by chance I did get the new version.

[Crazy Paul]

So Paul. were you able to compare the these with the old ones? Differences/improvements found?
I've told you before. To the naked eye they look the same externally (except the new casting numbers). They've undergone enough change to warrant a new casting and a new part number. Nobody outside of GM Tech will know what the differences are. I'm certainly not going to buy new arms to pull apart just to find the answer.



How do these appear to compare with the newaftermarket ones from Kolar and Spohn.
No idea, haven't seen the Kollar items. Wasn't aware Spohn made front suspension lower control arms.



And finally, are BMR and Pedders still developing theirs?
No idea.




Paul I am glad that you are there to help but I have a warranty with GM plus the extended warranty from GM back by the Federal Government as sworb to me on TV by the Prez. Thread info is for the entire community, not everyone is in your situation.

[texn884]

How do you know if the LCA's are going bad?

[Chewy]

Couple of ways... #1 you removed the BJ from the spindle and it's loose and making noise, #2 every time you hit a bump you hear it knocking, #3 your steering wheel shimmy's when braking...

Check out my vids on Youtube showing you what a bad one sounds like. I have two vids. One with it out of the car and one with it in the car. My username is 4gasem.

Chris

[texn884]

My sterring wheel shims when braking when I am going between 30 and 50 and braking. My car has 26,000 miles on it.

[Shredmo]

Would bad LCA's cause my power steering to moan?
I know my LCAs are bad, wondering if the steering is a separate issue. My car has 10k on it.

[texn884]

maybe the pump is bad.

[Eidolon]

Question: Having once verified that our cars do in fact have the old arms, should we instantly begin looking to replace them? Is the expected failure rate of the stock OEM arms 100%, with failure only being a matter of time?

[bradshow]

Keep in mind that the stock strut bushings are known to collapse as well. This adds to the noises in the front end. My car had 16k on it (pedders coilovers at 5k) and I had to replace the lca's and bushings/bearings.

[rez0nance]

Keep in mind that the stock strut bushings are known to collapse as well. This adds to the noises in the front end. My car had 16k on it (pedders coilovers at 5k) and I had to replace the lca's and bushings/bearings.

Yep, my dealer replaced my LCAs a couple weeks ago (they got them in very quickly actually, about a week turnaround, which is a little puzzling based on the crazy wait times being posted lately, but I digress), and when the adviser called me to say the car was ready, he said the tech noticed a pop/clunk sound was still there, and determined my driver side strut was bad as well. They ordered one at that point (which impressed me as far as how proactive they were after the earlier incident, looks like I might be giving them a good review after all).

Point is, the LCAs might be bad, and one or more struts may ALSO be bad in addition.

[Chewy]

Most of the strut bushings I saw at the National meet were bad... You can tell VERY easily from above.

Chris

[Eidolon]

Most of the strut bushings I saw at the National meet were bad... You can tell VERY easily from above.

Chris

Wait, strut bushings or LCA bushings? Is there a way to visually verify an issue with the LCAs?

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[ZiM]

How do I go about ordering the lower (straight) control arms, I would like both, left and right....

[Crazy Paul]

How do I go about ordering the lower (straight) control arms, I would like both, left and right....

Received your e-mail and replied.
I've got yours + another full set of 4 still in stock.

[AVIDMOTION]

anyone heard of UMI? I saw some nice red beffy arms with zerk fittings for grease and one end had the poly urethane bushing by a name brand company, the guy said they were 115 set, looked impressive.

[Crazy Paul]

by a name brand company

You can mention names, there's no power tripping Nazis here Bro.

[Crazy Paul]

This entire thread is about Front Suspension Lower Control Arms.

Your last 3 posts don't really belong in this thread as it will only cause confusion.

Start a new thread & maybe label it "Rear Suspension bits" or something
in here:
Forum/ G8 Tech/ Suspension and Brakes.
http://forum.grrrr8.net/forumdisplay.php?f=56


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[G8Headache]

Sorry to get off topic, but just wanted to comment on how beautiful those Front Rotors and Calipers are. TWO THUMBS UP!!!

[polo]

I took my car in for steering wheel shake, and gave them the part number for the complete kit of 4 control arms and all hardware (92249538), but for some reason they didn't order that kit. They only replaced the front lower control arms (92244047 and 92244046) and the necessary hardware. I haven't had a chance to drive the car yet, so I'm not sure if the shake is still there.

Any idea if the front or rear LCA's are the most common cause for the steering wheel shake? Or could it be any of them causing it?

I wish they would have just ordered the entire kit, because now if I still have the shakes I won't know if it's due to the old rear LCA's or something else.

[WhatNext]

Hey Polo - just on the other board, the op has declared success with the shakes! The short of it, after they installed the Pedders LCA kit the shakes went away. This is in spite of initially replacing the LCAs with new factory stuff. They noted the bushings on the new factory LCAs were really soft. I think the culprit was the rear LCAs of the front set.

[Miker]

PROBLEM SOLVED: all the control arms were replaced and the strut and top strut mount but the problem persisted. The solution turned out to be the bonnet/hood stops.
So if you have got knocking issues have a look at your bonnet/hood rubber stops and unscrew to tighten out the play when the hood is shut.
Well happy, I have been trying to solve this issue for 6 months!

[american_kestrel]

PROBLEM SOLVED: all the control arms were replaced and the strut and top strut mount but the problem persisted. The solution turned out to be the bonnet/hood stops.
So if you have got knocking issues have a look at your bonnet/hood rubber stops and unscrew to tighten out the play when the hood is shut.
Well happy, I have been trying to solve this issue for 6 months!

Are you talking about the bump stops (yellow color) or the strut mounts (black rubber, metal sleeve insert)?

[BlackGT5]

Are you talking about the bump stops (yellow color) or the strut mounts (black rubber, metal sleeve insert)?

From the looks of it, he is not talking about suspension components at all but rather the small rubber stops on the hood itself.

[2008GTG8]

I personally had mine replaced by dealer under the recall. Problem is that I found that I had a lot of camber wear on my drivers side tire. So I inspected all ams with a pry bar and found that my lower is loose again and clunking which then caused my sway bar link to wear out and really start to make a knocking sound. So moral of the story is. The dealer is queitly replacing all front suspension parts (FOR FREE) that are related to any customer complaint related to front end noise. My service advisor told me that when recalls are done they OFTEN revise them over and over again due to added customer complaints. Because when a new part gets into the field under a customers car is really essentially the test bed for the new revised part. In the case of our front suspension parts, it is the install procedure that is the issue. The new part does not come with hardware i.e. bolts washers hardware. It also depends on what time of year your part was replaced if you live in an area that has cold winter months as the rubber parts deform and cause premature ball joint wear. And if any of you have had a ball joint break at speed, its not a funny thing. So check your front ends close and get your dealer to correctly service your G8.

[Crazy Paul]

The new part does not come with hardware i.e. bolts washers hardware.

It does if the Dealership reads the Service Bulletins and orders the Part No specified within.


the part number for the complete kit of 4 control arms and all hardware (92249538),

[Crazy Paul]

VE 9.5 Part Numbers have now been superceded with VE1(2011) Part Numbers.
I asked and they dont have a revised Part Number for a complete kit of VE1 arms with fasteners.


VE9.5 Kit of 4 Arms with Fasteners 92249538

VE 9.5 Individual Arms----supercedes to-----VE1 (2011) Individual Arms
92244046--------------------------------------> 92253412
92244047--------------------------------------> 92253411
92244050--------------------------------------> 92250640
92244051--------------------------------------> 92250641

I do not know and have no way of finding out what changed between 2009.5 and 2011 arms.

[AVIDMOTION]

I had my front set both upper and lower and strut bearings? replaced under warranty twice. I now have 60000, am out of warranty and they are starting again. I live NJ in the cold. Is there one set that if I had to buy would cure this once and for all?

[Crazy Paul]

I had my front set both upper and lower and strut bearings? replaced under warranty twice. I now have 60000, am out of warranty and they are starting again. I live NJ in the cold. Is there one set that if I had to buy would cure this once and for all?

There's no technical info available on either the stock control arms, the VE9R revised arms or the VE1 revised,revised arms. There's no Kit Part No out yet for the VE1 arms.
For $220 odd you can buy a VE9R kit with all required fasteners....this is the most recent and cheapest solution you can currently buy there in USA.
$220 isn't even enough to pay for 29 lbs of Economy airfreight from Australia.....so Kit 92249538 is a screaming bargain price there in USA. IMO it's about 1/3 the price it should/could be. Get on it before they change their mind.

[Crazy Paul]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/VE%20under/101221HE2013_zps8df61a36.jpg

[silver6.0L]

Paul does the Chevy SS have the same lower control arms as the G8. Have you found out the difference in 2009 vs 2011 arms yet?

[Crazy Paul]

Paul does the Chevy SS have the same lower control arms as the G8. ? Parts listing won't be available for a long time. Greg will probably see it before the rest of us.

Have you found out the difference in 2009 vs 2011 arms yet?
No. There's no hope trying to find out insider engineering info.

[silver6.0L]

Thanks for the info. Thinking about buying the kit and saving it before they raise the price on it like the GXP front bumper.

[IRISH]

I need to have my LCA's replaced but the dealer does not want to order and install the 92250640 & 92250641 because they list on the computer 9224046 & 9224047 for my serial number. Has anyone else had this issue with the dealer and also has anyone installed the updated arms yet?

[Crazy Paul]

I need to have my LCA's replaced but the dealer does not want to order and install the 92250640 & 92250641 because they list on the computer 9224046 & 9224047 for my serial number. Has anyone else had this issue with the dealer and also has anyone installed the updated arms yet?
You've got all that info cross-threaded.
92244051 in Aus, No Longer Available....superceded by 92250641
92244050 in Aus, No Longer Available....superceded by 92250640
92244047 in Aus, No Longer Available....superceded by 92253411
92244046 in Aus, No Longer Available....superceded by 92253412

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[IRISH]

Thanks Paul,

At the risk of sounding stupid, but I still need to ask for clarity. What is the VE9R vs VE1 and the new numbers 92250640 & 92250641 will work on a G8 and if they do and are the updated ones, why are they not the only ones they sell?
Sorry if I was irritating asking these questions, but I am just confused.

Scott

[Crazy Paul]

VE9R was a mid-year update...it didn't quite co-incide with your MY2009.5 cars, it came after they were already on boats.
VE1 is MY2011
Yes 92250641,92250640,92253411,92253412 will all work on a G8. When a new number supercedes an old number it must be backward compatible.
They will continue to sell the old number until stock runs out. In this case the stock of VE9R arms has already run out in Australia but not yet in USA.
If a new number comes along and it does not work on previous MY cars then both part numbers (new and old) must continue to exist.

[IRISH]

Thanks for the clarity.

[pokey]

Had mine replaced today at the dealer. Kit 92249538 is still in use.. no listing of individual part numbers, not sure which ones I got, but wow a Big difference. Mine were going bad long before I heard any noise.

[toedrag]

CP, I recently bought some new arms under 92249538 from Pace. The arms have the following numbers stamped:
Rear: LH JNAL92, RH JNAL94
Front/Radius: LH JNAS88, RH JNAT92

There are no other numbers or letters anywhere on the casting. Any idea what revision these are?

[Crazy Paul]

CP, I recently bought some new arms under 92249538 from Pace. The arms have the following numbers stamped:
Rear: LH JNAL92, RH JNAL94
Front/Radius: LH JNAS88, RH JNAT92
There are no other numbers or letters anywhere on the casting. Any idea what revision these are?

Good score.
The VE9R arms which the kits used to contain had 8 digit casting numbers....in the same format as a Holden Part Number. eg 9(1234567).
VE1 arms, 2011 version went to alpha numeric casting numbers.
You can be certain the JNAxy12 style of numbering are 2011+ arms.

[toedrag]

Good score.
The VE9R arms which the kits used to contain had 8 digit casting numbers....in the same format as a Holden Part Number. eg 9(1234567).
VE1 arms, 2011 version went to alpha numeric casting numbers.
You can be certain the JNAxy12 style of numbering are 2011+ arms.

Wicked pissah! :brock: Thx for the good news and fast response.

[Executor999]

I was holding out until next year to grab a set of new front arms - and was even going to spend the extra money on 2011 arms, but once I learned the kit comes with the newer arms, I ordered a set from Greg at Pace today. Still can't believe what a great deal it is.

*edit
once I learned some of the kits comes with the newer arms

:)

[Crazy Paul]

but once I learned the kit comes with the newer arms,
Not all of the kits will have 2011+ arms in them, it will be the luck of the draw until all the 2009 arms are flushed from stock.
Technically they should have revised the kit part number as soon as they started putting arms other than the VE9R into the boxes.
They didn't do that.
So it's a bit of a lottery unless you've got a proper gentleman at the parts place willing to peek inside your box before you buy it.
Hi Greg.

[Chewy]

Not all of the kits will have 2011+ arms in them, it will be the luck of the draw until all the 2009 arms are flushed from stock.
Technically they should have revised the kit part number as soon as they started putting arms other than the VE9R into the boxes.
They didn't do that.
So it's a bit of a lottery unless you've got a proper gentleman at the parts place willing to peek inside your box before you buy it.
Hi Greg.


I see what you did there!