Holden fix for A/C belt throwing

[Crazy Paul]

"A proper fix is now available from Holden.
It involves a replacement compressor mounting bracket incorporating an idler pulley (previously not fitted), with a longer belt to match.

Most cars were previously fixed by replacing the commonly failing harmonic balancer, but a few cars proved stubborn, hence this release.
All VE V8's from 6G1EP4EH2AL419681 19/11/09 production on incorporate this fix.

For those whose cars are now out of warranty, or mod level leads to warranty rejection, these parts are now available for purchase at quite reasonable cost, and will take just over an hour to fit."

"It is not a recall, just a service fix, so no advertising.
It is only dealt with under warranty on an as-required basis for cars with proven problems, not as a pre-emptive fitment to every car out there."


Part No.: Description
92244378 A/C Bracket Assembly (inc idler pulley) . Edit -- Obsolete, New Part No below.


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92252927 NEW A/C Bracket Assembly (includes a new idler pulley & a complete new tensioner)
92244381 A/C Belt

Edit -- See Pics of the NEW A/C Bracket Assembly from Post #37 onwards.
Pricing which includes Airfreight Shipping is Here : http://forum.grrrr8.net/showthread.php?t=24830
-------------------------


** Those with an aftermarket underdriven A/C pulley fitted would need a different belt to the 92244381 due to your non-stock pulley diameter.
Your crank balancer may be under-driven, but as long as the A/C crank pulley is not under-driven then the new belt will fit.

*** Holden policy may well vary to GM North America policy, consult your local GM dealer.

[Crazy Paul]

So instead of having an A/C belt with just a tensioner like this:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/L76/19155066_ins.jpg

The new fix also adds a new idler pulley (and replaces your old tensioner with a new one) so it looks similar to this:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/L76/50241MGTODrivetrain31_03.jpg

[99-LS1-SS]

How can one tell if they have this issue? Is throwing a belt the only way?

[todds87ss]

I've only heard of this issue on cars with a gen1 UDP installed (mine included). The Gatorback belt has alleviated some of the issue, but it seems like this would be added insurance for high revving motors.

[norm8332]

I wonder if this is a DIY friendly upgrade.

[vert]

I would think it would be in the same difficulty level as installing an UDP.

[GRRRR8]

The funny thing is I have never slung mine with the 1st design UDP. I know I spin more rpms then most.

[-Ray-]

I never lost a belt, and it's not from lack of trying.

[dv327]

Thanks for the info. I have an earlier style UDP that I am going to install. With this fix, I can do it w/o worries.

[Patrick G]

More belt wrap helps I guess. I threw lots of ac belts with a brand X UD pulley that had 10% UD on AC and 25% on the rest. I went back to stock and haven't thrown a belt since.

Interesting that the 2010 Camaro has no tensioner/idler pulley at all.

[Chewy]

The funny thing is I have never slung mine with the 1st design UDP. I know I spin more rpms then most.

Diddo... Well, all but the more RPM thing... I guess if you have to throw a belt that's the best one to throw... :shutup:

[todds87ss]

Paul, please PM me the details of how I can obtain this fix...

Thanks
Todd

[Crazy Paul]

Paul, please PM me the details of how I can obtain this fix...
Thanks
Todd

Done.

[Crazy Paul]

Edit ---These are pics of the first version of the A/C Belt throwing fix. Go to Post #37 and onwards to see the NEW A/C Belt throwing fix.

Pics of the new A/C bracket with idler pulley.
92244378 ---Part No now Obsolete.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/AC%20belt%20fix/R1090419.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/AC%20belt%20fix/R1090415.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/AC%20belt%20fix/R1090414.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/AC%20belt%20fix/R1090417.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/AC%20belt%20fix/R1090413.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/AC%20belt%20fix/R1090416.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/AC%20belt%20fix/RM1090418_02.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/AC%20belt%20fix/RM1090419_02.jpg

Edit ---- You do not have to re-use your old tensioner with the NEW Revised Fix....see the Pics from Post #37 Onwards.


Pics of new A/C belt to suit new arrangement & in conjunction with a non-underdriven A/C pulley on crank balancer.
92244381

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/AC%20belt%20fix/R1090411.jpg

[Andy@SquashPerformance]

I threw an A/C belt with the stock pulley once.

Andy

[Crazy Paul]

Here's a pic of the stock A/C bracket which just has a tensioner on it.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/AC%20belt%20fix/801.jpg

[Crazy Paul]

Belt for use with Powerbond Under-drive pulley & new Holden A/C Bracket with Idler = 4PK1080
(Unsure if this Powerbond pulley is the new or old version as they did not mark them to indicate the design change).

[DRCUSTOMPARTS]

My A/C wasn't working so I took it to the dealer and come to find out the belt came off. They ordered a new one and it has been on there ever since they installed it over a year ago. This is a nice setup though for those that have problems with the A/C belt coming off.

[texn884]

Can this be a warranty item?

[Crazy Paul]

See Post #1 above.

Yes it is being done under warranty in Australia if a bunch of conditions exist.


*** Holden policy may well vary to GM North America policy, consult your local GM dealer.

[texn884]

Thanks Paul, I am going to take my car in this week to have them check the LCA's and rotors. I will bring this up to my service guy also.

[It's A G8!]

The funny thing is I have never slung mine with the 1st design UDP. I know I spin more rpms then most.

+1

[G8Firehawk17]

I wanted to revive this thread because I'm currently at a local dealer with this problem. This is the 2nd time it's happened, so the shop foreman (who has been the most helpful of any I've worked with) has contacted GM corp engineering concerning the issue and apparently there have been no reported cases of this issue to corporate. Therefore they cannot order the parts that Paul listed (which are valid GM part numbers) for a fix under warranty. I'm surprised with the amount of people that are reporting this has happened, hasn't had their local dealer open a case with GM corp. We need that to happen in order to get GM to acknowledge issues like this and provide a fix under warranty.

GM corp's stance is that I will have to just continue to bring the vehicle in every time this happens. The foreman said he would just order the parts and have it fixed if it were his car, and I'm inclined to agree with that. It would be nice though if GM had a record of how many are reporting the issue.

[08G8V8]

From what I understand this is mainly an issue with folks with high HP, which means they have done some modification, either a cam, supercharger, pro-charger...making a warranty claim next to impossible.

You might have a warranty case with GM, as your car came with a supercharger. Most others would not.

If you are having the problem, probably quicker and less hassle to just get the parts and have them installed. Maybe the dealer will work with you on a deal on parts/labor, as they seem to also think it's a GM problem. But, getting GM to fix it, isn't going to happen quickly or easily.

[Crazy Paul]

From what I understand this is mainly an issue with folks with high HP, which means they have done some modification, either a cam, supercharger, pro-charger...making a warranty claim next to impossible.

No. It's an issue common to all V8's and can hit anyone regardless of power output.
Holden would not have set up a warranty program , produced a fix kit, or incorporated the fix into all new V8 cars after mid 2009 if it did not affect un-modified cars.

[08G8V8]

Didn't realize that. Haven't heard of this issue on the G8 on stock cars. There is a thread on the G8 board and it seems to be common with higher HP cars. http://www.g8board.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44387

Would be nice to have this as a warranty item, but doubt it will happen, or anytime soon if they do do it.

[Tempest2000]

Andy at Livernois said he saw a few cars that were virtually stock throw ac belts as well...

[l76]

Tossed mine on the second run after the cam, which was the first time ever. Put about about ten more in since then with no problems except can not get a pass right. Either too hot, get decent traction, but too hot and run mid 12's or when the temp gets right the steet tires will not hold the power and still run mid twelves or higher. Time to get some DR's and start breaking parts I guess.

[todds87ss]

virtually stock is not "Stock" in the eyes of the dealer. An UDP will keep them from covering issues with the belt, as they are directly related. Once the belt has thrown once, there is a very high likelyhood of damage to the tensioner. Take it off and inspect it. If necessary, replace it. The damage will be visible (the part of the housing that restricts movement of the tensioner will be broken).

[Crazy Paul]

There is a thread on the G8 board and it seems to be common with higher HP cars. http://www.g8board.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44387

Someone could tell the tards over there that the parts will not cost $336 if they know where to look.
But then that someone would get banned for mentioning Crazy Guy.

Holden A/C Bracket with Idler Pulley.
DEAL 45.....it's not on my website.

Bracket with new idler pulley - 92244378
US$130 shipped by Airfreight.

Belt to suit new arrangement & non-underdriven A/C pulley on balancer.
92244381
Add US$15.

EDIT: The previous A/C Belt throwing fix has been revised. No more Deal 45....It's now Deal 45R. Better value for Money !!!!
See POST #37 below.

[08G8V8]

I know where to go if I see this problem come up!

[popsicle]

Threw mine last night. And I'm not supercharged or cammed...

[thebeast]

Mine flew off as well. I popped the hood and saw it sitting there on the cross member. Thought it was kinda weird. But hasnt come off since.

[popsicle]

Ok, got the belt back on, started it and it looks like the belt wants to ride to front edge of tensioner..... Hmmm. Is the problem in the harmonic balancer possibly? Gotta drive it and see if it stays put

[popsicle]

Ok so took it to the dealership after it came off again. The tensioner is bad, which in turn screwed up the A/C belt, which took a chunk out of the main serpentine belt which flung a cord off the edge and ate into the coolant hose going to the water pump and leaked..

Good news-they are replacing the tensioner, the A/c belt, the main serpentine belt and the water pump hose under warranty.
Bad news- the parts won't be in until Monday...so
Good news- They gave a sporty 4 banger HHR rental for free! (LOL I'm taking all races in the HHR)

I even mentioned the parts Crazy Paul has listed here(had part #'s in hand) as a solution but they said they'd use the OEM replacements. Ha!

[BLKG8]

My car threw the a/c belt once, on start up. I put it back on and hasnt come off. Been about 2-3 months now.....weird.

[Crazy Paul]

The previous A/C Belt throwing fix has been revised. No more Deal 45....It's now Deal 45R. Better value for Money !!!!
It's not on my website, but here's the link to DEAL 45R http://forum.grrrr8.net/showthread.php?t=24830

The new bracket with new idler and a complete new tensioner on the left (Deal45R) , Previous fix on the right was a new bracket and new idler only (Deal 45).
You previously had to re-use your old A/C tensioner or buy a new A/C tensioner seperately for an extra $80+.

New [Deal 45R] A/C Bracket assembly is much greater value for money.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/AC%20belt%20fix/Pxs1010599.jpg

[Crazy Paul]

Deal 45R
Here's the latest A/C Bracket which includes a new idler and a complete new tensioner.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/AC%20belt%20fix/Pxs1010603.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/AC%20belt%20fix/Pxs1010604.jpg

[JonnyG2132]

So if my car is an 08, I can not get this bracket and belt? I used to throw the belt when I first got the car so I replaced the pulley and bracket that I needed. Was good for a couple years or so and now its throwing it again

[Crazy Paul]

So if my car is an 08, I can not get this bracket and belt?

I don't understand how you drew this conclusion.
The bracket with idler (Deal 45...now no longer available) & the newer bracket with new idler and new tensioner (Deal 45R) will fit all V8 G8's
The bracket with idler mod is now fitted as standard equipment on all 2010+ Holden V8 cars

[JonnyG2132]

Sorry. Could have swore I read that it worked on cars produced after 09.

[Crazy Paul]

Sorry. Could have swore I read that it worked on cars produced after 09.

If you let me know what kicked off that false belief then I'll go and fix it so others don't think the same way.

[drglock]

Glad I saw this thread. My AC belt kicked off last summer. I brought it in and they put a new one on under warranty. Now, it happened again this week. Ive got to bring it in again. Will they perform this upgrade automatically?

[Crazy Paul]

Will they perform this upgrade automatically?
Not likely.
Even with Holden it was only done after a car had a long history of belt throwing problems.
GM NA run their own game and don't seem to share all knowledge with Holden.
The Parts required for the fix are not showing up on any GM NA online parts site that I've checked.


Edit: The old obsolete Part No 92244378 is showing at GM NA Retail US$578.94 on some sites....the new Part No 92252927 (which includes a new tensioner) isn't coming up on GM NA websites.

[drglock]

Not likely.
Even with Holden it was only done after a car had a long history of belt throwing problems.
GM NA run their own game and don't seem to share all knowledge with Holden.
The Parts required for the fix are not showing up on any GM NA online parts site that I've checked.

Edit: The old obsolete Part No 92244378 is showing at GM NA Retail US$578.94 on some sites....the new Part No 92252927 (which includes a new tensioner) isn't coming up on GM NA websites.

Thanks for the info. I will bring her in and see what they do about it. My guess.....new belt. .....further bulletins as events warrant.....

[Crazy Paul]

Your existing stock A/C mounting bracket does not have provision for mounting an idler pulley to help keep the A/C belt running true.
Your existing bracket is the thing I've painted blue in this pic.
Your existing A/C bracket has to be removed to fit the new A/C bracket which has an idler and a tensioner.

The engine in this pic has it's waterpump removed and heater hoses disconnected for other purposes, you do not have to remove the waterpump or heater hoses.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/AC%20belt%20fix/24.jpg

[Crazy Paul]

Here is how your A/C compressor mounts to the A/C bracket.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/AC%20belt%20fix/341150347.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/AC%20belt%20fix/AC-comp.jpg

[Crazy Paul]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/AC%20belt%20fix/AC-bracket1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/AC%20belt%20fix/AC-bracket11.jpg

[Crazy Paul]

Install the new A/C Bracket.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/AC%20belt%20fix/AC-bracket2.jpg

[Crazy Paul]

Fasten the A/C Compressor to the new A/C Bracket

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/AC%20belt%20fix/AC-comp2.jpg

[VegasNate]

I need this BAD. I've thrown 3 A/C belts in a month. Not happy at almost $200 a pop.

[Crazy Paul]

I need this BAD. I've thrown 3 A/C belts in a month. Not happy at almost $200 a pop.
You can get Deal45R (new A/C bracket complete with new tensioner and new idler) + a new A/C belt for TOTAL US$190 shipped.
http://forum.grrrr8.net/showthread.php?t=24830

I'll wait by the phone.
:)

[JonnyG2132]

Just ordered mine! Thanks paul

[Crazy Paul]

Just ordered mine! Thanks paul
Thanks Man,
Shipping now.
Ref No LC743292680AU

[08G8V8]

I've got mine sitting in the corner of the kitchen.....just waiting for install. Just finishing up the Maggie and gauge install now, and will get to this eventually. Figured it would be best to have the parts on hand.....then Paul sweetens the deal after I order! Paul is the man!

[JonnyG2132]

Just got mine in the mail. Will be putting it on this weekend. or atleast trying to ha

[JonnyG2132]

Just intalled it on the driveway with jack stands. Pain in the ass bc of everything seemed to be in the way ha. Works perfectly!

[Torqued]

To those who have received the new bracket and have a 2nd gen UDP, is the 4PK1101 the correct belt? I saw a thread elsewhere that mentioned a 4PK1065.

Thanks

[Crazy Paul]

To those who have received the new bracket and have a 2nd gen UDP, is the 4PK1101 the correct belt? I saw a thread elsewhere that mentioned a 4PK1065.
Thanks

4PK1101 was only calculated to be the correct length and still has not been 100% confirmed as fitting with the bracket fix and the 2nd gen UDP. If that 1101 belt does not fit then you can always sell the belt to someone with a totally stock balancer and stock bracket. You might even make money on the belt as its a lot more expensive when sourced in USA.

4PK1065 has been reported to fit by 1 member here in Aus (Morpheus...something).

If more people give feedback then we can post the info to help those that follow. Feedback will help.
(Holden only tell us what belt to use with the stock balancer in place and the new A/C bracket)

[SpeedRacerX]

Threw my AC belt last Friday during a storm. Monday AM at dealer, said they reinstalled the belt but were ordering me a new idler. I wonder if they meant this whole kit with the added pulley or just a new idler? No P/N on slip this time to tell what was ordered. I guess we'll see when it comes in.

[Crazy Paul]

were ordering me a new idler. I wonder if they meant this whole kit with the added pulley or just a new idler?
There is no "idler" on the stock A/C bracket. There is only a tensioner.
Seems common to just interchange those words, but it's easy to understand a tensioner adds tension and an idler does nothing but guide the belt.

[SpeedRacerX]

There is no "idler" on the stock A/C bracket. There is only a tensioner.
Seems common to just interchange those words, but it's easy to understand a tensioner adds tension and an idler does nothing but guide the belt.

I mess up "idler" and "tensioner" ALL the time. Thanks for the explanation. They should call the "idler" a "guideler." LOL.

[morpheousssv]

4PK1065 is the correct belt for the powerbond underdrive balancer match up. This belt will keep the adjuster in the middle where it is designed to operate.

[Torqued]

Does anyone know the torque specs for the bracket bolts? Thanks

[Crazy Paul]

Does anyone know the torque specs for the bracket bolts? Thanks
Post #48 to #50 of this very thread.

[SpeedRacerX]

CP,

So my parts came in at dealer (under warranty) and I asked the lady who called to set my appointment to read me the p/n's.

Dealer ordered the following according to the slip:

12545289
92244378
92244381

Do you think I'm getting the obsolete 92244378 or do you think GM shipped them the new p/n anyway??

[Crazy Paul]

12545289
I don't know what this Part is.



Do you think I'm getting the obsolete 92244378 or do you think GM shipped them the new p/n anyway??
Unless 92244378 comes up as superceded on their system, then you won't get the new bracket with new tensioner on it.

[SpeedRacerX]

I don't know what this Part is.


Unless 92244378 comes up as superceded on their system, then you won't get the new bracket with new tensioner on it.

Thanks Paul. She did say the 125xxxxx number was hard to read. Probably a wrong p/n.
As far as the 92244378, I guess we'll see what happens.

[SpeedRacerX]

Paul, wouldn't that AC belt p/n (which seems to be right) indicate that it has to work with the new p/n that has both tensioner and idler?

[SpeedRacerX]

Just talked to the parts guy who indicated he had to go back and forth with GM on this to get this to come in properly. He said the new bracket/tensioner/etc p/n has changed several times and says that what he got in was 92255289. Is that an even newer version now Paul?

[Crazy Paul]

Thanks Paul. She did say the 125xxxxx number was hard to read. Probably a wrong p/n.
12595289


Paul, wouldn't that AC belt p/n (which seems to be right) indicate that it has to work with the new p/n that has both tensioner and idler?
No.
92244378 is identical to 92252927 except with the 92252927 you receive a brand new A/C tensioner already fitted to it.
92244378 you either have to re-use your old tensioner or buy a new tensioner.
Both Part Nos take the same length of belt......which is longer than you had fitted to your car previously, because now the belt routing has to be different........because now there is an introduced A/C idler pulley there in the picture.

By ordering you an 92244378 (bracket kit) and an 12595289 (A/C tensioner) they are effectively giving you an 92252927.

[Crazy Paul]

Just talked to the parts guy who indicated he had to go back and forth with GM on this to get this to come in properly. He said the new bracket/tensioner/etc p/n has changed several times and says that what he got in was 92255289. Is that an even newer version now Paul?

92255289 I haven't seen that number before. Don't know what it is.
"Invalid Item number. Please check the item number or contact your branch for assistance"

It's 2am, I've had enough of this shit for one day.

[SpeedRacerX]

Get some sleep....

[SpeedRacerX]

Took it in today. They replaced the tensioner and belt. It was not the new bracket with the extra idler. I showed them this thread and the p/n for the new Holden assembly and they cannot find it in the GM NA system. Well, I guess if I get another 36K+ miles out of this one, I won't complain.

If it goes sooner, I'll have to get the improved one from you Paul!

[Crazy Paul]

If it goes sooner, I'll have to get the improved one from you Paul!
No problem, I always try to keep a couple in stock.
People should consider the A/C bracket fix when next they need to buy a new A/C tensioner......you get so much more for your money IMO.

[SpeedRacerX]

No problem, I always try to keep a couple in stock.
People should consider the A/C bracket fix when next they need to buy a new A/C tensioner......you get so much more for your money IMO.

Oh, no doubt. I forget the exact amount but parts guy told me the price to me (if it wasn't warrantied) was a LOT higher than what you are charging for the BETTER solution.

[jbak]

So Paul.........I got the new bracket you sent........thanks. It looks like 3 bolts connect the compressor to the bracket, and 5 bolts connect the bracket to the block......right ?

And I can swap the bracket without disconnecting the R134 (or whatever) lines on the compressor........yes ?

[Crazy Paul]

So Paul.........I got the new bracket you sent........thanks. It looks like 3 bolts connect the compressor to the bracket, and 5 bolts connect the bracket to the block......right ?
And I can swap the bracket without disconnecting the R134 (or whatever) lines on the compressor........yes ?
Excellent, glad it arrived safely.
Yes, there's pics, instructions, and bolt torque settings in this very thread.
Yes you can swap the bracket with the refrigerant lines still attached. It's a real struggle because there's no room in there.

[Tempest2000]

FYI I had livernois put my new tensioner/idler from Crazy Paul. I used the Dayco 5040420 belt - autozone should have it. So far so good. It made it through several dyno sessions and Andy driving it for a week. I haven't got to totally put it through its paces yet, but I have been to 6500-6700 range several times with the AC on and no issues so far. Before anything over 6000 and the AC on meant a thrown belt. Sometimes even 5500.

[jbak]

Tempest.......thanks, that's good to know. A buddy with another GXP had a similar testimonial.

[jbak]

Excellent, glad it arrived safely.
Yes, there's pics, instructions, and bolt torque settings in this very thread.
Yes you can swap the bracket with the refrigerant lines still attached. It's a real struggle because there's no room in there.
With my fat hands, I might see if the dealer can do it.

[Crazy Paul]

FYI I had livernois put my new tensioner/idler from Crazy Paul. I used the Dayco 5040420 belt - autozone should have it. So far so good. It made it through several dyno sessions and Andy driving it for a week. I haven't got to totally put it through its paces yet, but I have been to 6500-6700 range several times with the AC on and no issues so far. Before anything over 6000 and the AC on meant a thrown belt. Sometimes even 5500.

I'd say you have the 2nd design Powerbond U/D pulley on the crank then.
Dayco 5040420 is the same length belt as 4PK1065 which morpheoussv reported back as a winner.

[Tempest2000]

Sorry forgot to include that. My udp undrives the ac.

[jbak]

So due to the insane heat here, and the likelihood of busting my fat knuckles in the little confined space around the A/C compressor, I took my car to the chevy dealer to have them put the new bracket on. They informed me that there is NOW a service bulletin on the "throwing A/C belt" problem and it can be fixed under warranty. I said: "with the double pulley system ?". They said "yes". So they did the labor for free.

[popsicle]

Nice! Bonus for the install!

[thebeast]

So. Crazy Paul. It's time for me to order this part. I'm throwing ac belt every time I go wot with my procharger. Pm sent

[thebeast]

I need deal 45r and belt to go with it. Is it 190$ shipped still?

[Darkmanx]

I need deal 45r and belt to go with it. Is it 190$ shipped still?

get me one too.

[thebeast]

Just put my belt back on. Another chunk came off of the tensioner and belt has a few prices missing. I definitely need to buy this. Let me get my bonus money first

[Crazy Paul]

Just put my belt back on. Another chunk came off of the tensioner and belt has a few prices missing. I definitely need to buy this. Let me get my bonus money first
Ready when you are, parts are in stock.
Yes US$190 shipped for the A/C Belt Fix Kit (Deal45R) and new belt (4PK1108) to suit your stock crank pulley.

Considering you would need a new tensioner and a new belt regardless....the shipped price of the kit & belt isn't too foul.
Price up a new tensioner and belt there and you'll see what I mean. And those 2 bits would only solve your immediate problem, not like the kit which gives you a new tensioner, new idler, and prevents the issue from returning.

[buick gn]

Placed my order a few minutes ago. Thanks Paul.

[Crazy Paul]

Placed my order a few minutes ago. Thanks Paul.
Got it thanks. I'm assuming you've got the stock crank balancer and therefore need the 4PK1108 belt. You've paid for that belt....I can hold it and refund the belt amount if you tell me to.

[buick gn]

Got it thanks. I'm assuming you've got the stock crank balancer and therefore need the 4PK1108 belt. You've paid for that belt....I can hold it and refund the belt amount if you tell me to.

I've got the stock crank balancer.

I haven't thrown my AC belt yet, but I know it's a matter of time. With my luck the AC belt would be thrown when I need it the most. I bought this permanent fix from you while you have stock and it's an excellent price.

Thank you for providing us with tech info that we can use, provide solutions to our problems, and expediting my order.

[Firehawk]

does anybody have the TSB # for this?

[freeflytex]

does anybody have the TSB # for this?

Looking for same info. I didn't see it listed in the TSB section on g8board.

[incon3037r]

I need to buy one of these. I'm tired of throwing belts.

[BigV8]

I put mine on yesterday and its a pita with the maggie plumbing in the way. One suggestion is to leave the bolts on the bracket loose until you have them all installed. Also the bottom bracket bolt thats rescissed is very hard to get a socket on because you have to hold up the compressor as your trying to loosin and tighten it. Not much clearence. The belt is good and tight now.

[Crazy8]

I put mine on yesterday and its a pita with the maggie plumbing in the way. One suggestion is to leave the bolts on the bracket loose until you have them all installed. Also the bottom bracket bolt thats rescissed is very hard to get a socket on because you have to hold up the compressor as your trying to loosin and tighten it. Not much clearence. The belt is good and tight now.

That recessed bolt required me to buy a thinner socket wrench and shorter socket. It was the biggest PITA of the whole deal for me. My maggie wasn't in my way, though?

[BigV8]

That recessed bolt required me to buy a thinner socket wrench and shorter socket. It was the biggest PITA of the whole deal for me. My maggie wasn't in my way, though?Yea I probably didn't get mine that tight using 1/4 drive. I should have said the coolant tank hampered things a little lol.

[Firehawk]

so is there a TSB or not?

just glancing at it, not sure how the maggie plumbing would be in the way.

how much time do i need to carve out if i want to do this myself with jack stands?

[Crazy Paul]

so is there a TSB or not?
just glancing at it, not sure how the maggie plumbing would be in the way.
how much time do i need to carve out if i want to do this myself with jack stands?

Some folks are saying there's a TSB but I've never seen it posted anywhere. I don't have access to GM TSB's.
Only fitting time feedback I've had is with un-blown engines, 1Hr on a hoist.....4Hrs in a driveway.
Some of that will depend on skill level and size of hands.

[Crazy8]

so is there a TSB or not?

just glancing at it, not sure how the maggie plumbing would be in the way.

how much time do i need to carve out if i want to do this myself with jack stands?

It took me about 3 hours in my garage on 1 jackstand including a trip to the store to buy a thinner ratchet and shorter socket for the center bolt.

[Firehawk]

what size socket did you need to get in thin?

[BigV8]

what size socket did you need to get in thin?I think it was a 14mm.I'm thinking the compressor bolts were 13 and the mount 15.

[Crazy8]

what size socket did you need to get in thin?

I bought a shorter socket and thinner ratchet. I just took them to a Northern Tool and found ones that would let me work in a smaller space.

[TA427]

[QUOTESome folks are saying there's a TSB but I've never seen it posted anywhere. I don't have access to GM TSB's.
Only fitting time feedback I've had is with un-blown engines, 1Hr on a hoist.....4Hrs in a driveway.
Some of that will depend on skill level and size of hands 2009 Pontiac G8 | G8 Service Manual | Document ID: 2762265
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#PIP4750E: Belt Squeak Noise And/Or Crankshaft Balancer Appears To Wobble - (Feb 10, 2012)
Subject: Belt Squeak Noise and/or Crankshaft Balancer Appears to Wobble



Models: 2010-2012 Chevrolet Camaro SS

2011-2012 Chevrolet Caprice

2009-2012 Chevrolet Corvette

2008-2009 Pontiac G8

with 6.0L 6.2L Engine (RPOs L76 L77 L99, LS3, or LS7)



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This PI was superseded to update recommended field. Please discard PIP4750D.
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The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.

Condition/Concern:

Some customers may complain of a belt squeak noise and/or a crankshaft balancer appears to be out of balance or wobbling while watching it with the engine running. In most cases, the wobble is an optical illusion because the design of the balancer gives the appearance that it is moving more than it actually is.

Recommendation/Instructions:

If this concern is experienced, follow the steps below:

1. Push the crankshaft all the way to the rear of the engine.

2. Using a magnetic base, attach a dial indicator so the measuring tip is contacting the rear of the drive belt groove.

[TA427]

3. Rotate the crankshaft 360 degrees and note the total amount of crankshaft balancer run out.

• If the balancer run out is 0.40mm (0.0157”) or less, do not replace the balancer because the run out is in specification.

• If the balancer run out is greater than 0.40mm, replace the crankshaft balancer and perform step 3 again to confirm that the run out of the new balancer is in specification.

4. If the customer has complained of a belt squeak, also replace the drive belt.

[Crazy Paul]

#PIP4750E: Belt Squeak Noise And/Or Crankshaft Balancer Appears To Wobble - (Feb 10, 2012)
Subject: Belt Squeak Noise and/or Crankshaft Balancer Appears to Wobble
Models:
2010-2012 Chevrolet Camaro SS
2011-2012 Chevrolet Caprice
2009-2012 Chevrolet Corvette
2008-2009 Pontiac G8
with 6.0L 6.2L Engine (RPOs L76 L77 L99, LS3, or LS7)

Nope that's not it.
We're looking for belt throwing & it will not apply to Camaro, 2011-2012 Caprice, or Corvette,

[TA427]

Earlier before this superceded, I believe the G8 was not even included in the earlier bulletin, Although in earlier bulletins i don't recall GM even mentioning a broken belt, but this is the bulletin we refer to when we receive a vehicle with the belt ommitted or balancer wobble and obviously an inop A/C compressor. Other than the steering and compressor alignment bulletin,this is all that exists today across the lines of vehicles.I thought i posted somewhere late last year the earlier buletin that had all but the G8 included at the time. That older bulletin is not even available to look at as of now.Sorry if that did not help

[Firehawk]

i just installed my new bracket pulley set from Crazy Paul

it only took about 3 hours. a complete pain, but now i can go WOT without worrying about having to sweat afterwards

thanks Paul

[Rawyzf]

FYI - The shop I used charged 1.25hrs labor for the swap. So if you don't want to get frusterated with the install and have an extra $100, just have a shop do it.

Thank CP, can't wait to test her our and see that the AC belt will still be on!

[gtp6515]

This is a little bit of a pain. I have done well until I get to the recessed bolt behind the compressor. Any tips for getting at this one? Thanks for any advice or tips.

[hflores3]

i just installed my new bracket pulley set from Crazy Paul

it only took about 3 hours. a complete pain, but now i can go WOT without worrying about having to sweat afterwards

thanks Paul

Tried it once - could not the %$##$%^&^%$ (%$#@#$%^&^%$) off. Perhaps I need shallow swivel sockets to give me room. I had her up on jacks and was working from "through" the wheel well.

[hflores3]

FYI - The shop I used charged 1.25hrs labor for the swap. So if you don't want to get frusterated with the install and have an extra $100, just have a shop do it.

Thank CP, can't wait to test her our and see that the AC belt will still be on!

That's it? 1.25 hours of labor? Damn! That is great!

[Greg@PacePerformance]

I've only tossed my belt once with the stock bracket, but this is still a great deal from Paul. I checked my cost on the new bracket and it is more than Pauls shipped price.
Keep the great work and prices Paul!

[Crazy Paul]

This is a little bit of a pain. I have done well until I get to the recessed bolt behind the compressor. Any tips for getting at this one? Thanks for any advice or tips.

Try this thread for tips.
ForumVendors-=Crazy Paul's Holden Parts=-NEW Improved Holden A/C Belt Throwing Fix.
http://forum.grrrr8.net/showthread.php?t=24830

[courtroom19]

[QUOTESome folks are saying there's a TSB but I've never seen it posted anywhere. I don't have access to GM TSB's.
Only fitting time feedback I've had is with un-blown engines, 1Hr on a hoist.....4Hrs in a driveway.
Some of that will depend on skill level and size of hands 2009 Pontiac G8 | G8 Service Manual | Document ID: 2762265
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#PIP4750E: Belt Squeak Noise And/Or Crankshaft Balancer Appears To Wobble - (Feb 10, 2012)
Subject: Belt Squeak Noise and/or Crankshaft Balancer Appears to Wobble



Models: 2010-2012 Chevrolet Camaro SS

2011-2012 Chevrolet Caprice

2009-2012 Chevrolet Corvette

2008-2009 Pontiac G8

with 6.0L 6.2L Engine (RPOs L76 L77 L99, LS3, or LS7)





Nope that's not it.
We're looking for belt throwing & it will not apply to Camaro, 2011-2012 Caprice, or Corvette,

There is a newer/different one that just came out in October ( I think it was October.)
I don't have access to it anymore, but it was directly related to an upgraded tensioner. Strangely enough, I believe the Caprice was also listed, Possibly in error. Don't recall whether it listed the Camaro or not...

[Crazy Paul]

There is a newer/different one that just came out in October ( I think it was October.)
I don't have access to it anymore, but it was directly related to an upgraded tensioner. Strangely enough, I believe the Caprice was also listed, Possibly in error. Don't recall whether it listed the Camaro or not...

Caprice would be in error. Although it's a WM and not a VE, Caprice built after November 2009 would have the upgrade installed.
"All VE V8's from 6G1EP4EH2AL419681 19/11/09 production on incorporate this fix."

You can search bulletins by date or keyword (G8, belt, bracket, 92244381,92244378,92252927)
here or here:
http://sandyblogs.com/techlink/
http://www.archivedsites.com/techlink/

October 2012 : http://sandyblogs.com/techlink/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/October-Techlink-2012-F.pdf

[Rosstron]

My G8 GT is in the shop right now because of throwing the A/C belt, which came off I suspect because of the harmonic balancer wobbling. I had to get my car towed because once I turned it off after the problem occurred and then tried to start it again, the car system diagnostics went through every alarm it could and left me with a big red X and a "Contact Dealer" message. The car entered a security lockout and wouldn't even give me my key back.
I can't wait to hear their diagnostic and the subsequent estimate... I really hope this is part of the 100k mile powertrain warranty.

[Crazy8]

My G8 GT is in the shop right now because of throwing the A/C belt, which came off I suspect because of the harmonic balancer wobbling. I had to get my car towed because once I turned it off after the problem occurred and then tried to start it again, the car system diagnostics went through every alarm it could and left me with a big red X and a "Contact Dealer" message. The car entered a security lockout and wouldn't even give me my key back.
I can't wait to hear their diagnostic and the subsequent estimate... I really hope this is part of the 100k mile powertrain warranty.

It's not part of the power train warranty. Some dealers have fixed it for free, but most will not. Buy the fix or it will happen again one day
Good luck!
** I was only referring to the AC belt, not the balancer.

[Crazy Paul]

Here are the most up to date products to help with A/C belt throwing problems:

NEW Improved Holden A/C Belt Throwing Fix.
Deal 45R
US$190 shipped or US$210 shipped with 4PK1108 belt.
http://forum.grrrr8.net/showthread.php?t=24830


Service Kit for A/C Bracket 45R
Deal SK45
US$89 shipped.
http://forum.grrrr8.net/showthread.php?t=35935&p=518439&viewfull=1#post518439


A/C Tensioner for G8 V8, fits all regardless of A/C bracket mod status.
Also fits 2011+ Chevrolet Caprice & 2005-2012 Chevrolet Corvette.
Replaces Part Number 12595289 and 92252340
Deal T45
US$70 shipped.
http://forum.grrrr8.net/showthread.php?t=35935&p=518440&viewfull=1#post518440

[Oldtimer]

I just took mine into the dealer because of this same issue, but I may have an extenuating problem. The bolt holding the balancer onto the crank was missing!

A little history here: 102K miles, box stock. Had the cam/lifter issue at about 60K, and just had the two belts replaced by this same dealer about three months ago.

How do you lose the bolt holding the balancer on?

Hopefully the car will be ready today, but I am anticipating a big fight over who is at fault and how much I will have to pay.

Any quick feedback will be graciously appreciated.

[Crazy Paul]

Had the cam/lifter issue at about 60K, and just had the two belts replaced by this same dealer about three months ago.
How do you lose the bolt holding the balancer on?
I am anticipating a big fight over who is at fault and how much I will have to pay.

If the front timing cover has ever been off then the crank pulley/balancer has been removed and replaced.
The stock balancer bolt is single use only, because it is torque to yield, meaning the threads deform on purpose when torqued to the correct value.
The deformation of the threads on the TTY crank bolt are supposed to stop it from coming loose and backing out in service.
---If the GM bolt gets re-used instead of renewed then the deformed thread (locking) feature is missing the 2nd time around.
---If the GM bolt wasn't torqued properly as per GM Spec then there's another good chance it won't perform as expected.

12557840
Crankshaft (Harmonic Balancer) Bolt

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/L76/nal-12557840.jpg

[Oldtimer]

If the front timing cover has ever been off then the crank pulley/balancer has been removed and replaced.
The stock balancer bolt is single use only, because it is torque to yield, meaning the threads deform on purpose when torqued to the correct value.
The deformation of the threads on the TTY crank bolt are supposed to stop it from coming loose and backing out in service.
---If the GM bolt gets re-used instead of renewed then the deformed thread (locking) feature is missing the 2nd time around.
---If the GM bolt wasn't torqued properly as per GM Spec then there's another good chance it won't perform as expected.

12557840
Crankshaft (Harmonic Balancer) Bolt

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/L76/nal-12557840.jpg

Thanks, that's what I understood.

I appreciate the quick reply.

:cheers:

[SpeedRacerX]

Paul, it appears that my dealer is going to take care of me big time on this. They are claiming that the fix is described in TSB 12-06-01-006 or Document ID 2813743.

They are including the new AC bracket, AC belt, a new harmonic balancer and a bolt as per the TSB.

Does this sound right?

Does you have access to this TSB? I'd like to read it. I didn't see it in the TSB section.

[Crazy Paul]

TSB 12-06-01-006 or Document ID 2813743.
I'd like to read it. I didn't see it in the TSB section.
Try google on both numbers, post it in the TSB section if you find it.

[SpeedRacerX]

I tried. I'll keep looking.

[desertg8]

My tensioner is super weak on my ls3 416. It kept throwing the belt and now the belt is gone. It obviously got cut. Would a new a.c. tensioner work from you? The dealer will not fix because of the underdrive pulley.

What parts do I need? It is hot here in Tucson.

[Crazy Paul]

My tensioner is super weak on my ls3 416. It kept throwing the belt and now the belt is gone. It obviously got cut. Would a new a.c. tensioner work from you? The dealer will not fix because of the underdrive pulley.
What parts do I need? It is hot here in Tucson.
If you are throwing the A/C belt then yes the NEW improved A/C belt throwing fix will work. Been selling them now for 5 years and to date everyone has been happy with the fix.
New bracket shipped (from Jacksonville FL)=US$190 shipped.
I don't know which under drive pulley you have but the most likely belt you'll need to suit U/D pulley and the new bracket is 4PK1065.
Here read this: http://forum.grrrr8.net/showthread.php?t=24830

[BluYa76]

Hey Paul or anyone who might be knowledgeable on this. Yesterday I did an oil change and noticed that my ac belt was missing. I've not intentionally turned the ac on cause of winter, but the car has turned it on when switching through the vent selection. I replaced the belt but the ac only blows warm air. Any idea why? I'll also be ordering the fixed tensioner pulley as soon as cash flow is better. Thanks and sorry if this is the wrong section.

[mjones73]

Is the clutch engaging on the compressor? If it is, compressor might be bad, otherwise have the freon level checked.

[LDM]

Is the clutch engaging on the compressor? If it is, compressor might be bad, otherwise have the freon level checked.

These compressors don't have clutches. They're variable displacement.

[Chewy]

My tensioner is super weak on my ls3 416. It kept throwing the belt and now the belt is gone. It obviously got cut. Would a new a.c. tensioner work from you? The dealer will not fix because of the underdrive pulley.

What parts do I need? It is hot here in Tucson.

Put one from Paul on my 418 and not had a problem since! YAY!

[TonyKarter]

Question: Is this TSB applicable to have the bracket replaced under warranty on a 63,000 mile vehicle? Considered part of the powertrain?

[Crazy8]

My tensioner is super weak on my ls3 416. It kept throwing the belt and now the belt is gone. It obviously got cut. Would a new a.c. tensioner work from you? The dealer will not fix because of the underdrive pulley.

What parts do I need? It is hot here in Tucson.

You should buy this. I've had it on my blown LS3 for over 3 years and it's worked flawlessly. In the 3 years I had the stock pulley, I threw the AC belt constantly, especially after adding the Maggie.

[TonyKarter]

Done. Guys, if you are about to take this on please consider obtaining the three tools in the picture. You can do it without them, but it is SO NICE and easy with these three. Glad I made myself buy them when I didn't need them for the day that I would need them and not have them. 48 miles to Harbor Freight from here, so I planned ahead. And if you have them, 6-point sockets. 12-point sockets just don't have enough bearing surface to safely work in confined quarters like this without possibly round off the bolt head.

[Blessed]

Do you still have any of these brackets and the belt that goes with it?

[GXPaycheck]

Crazy Paul retired long ago. You might try some other vendors. The parts can be hard to find.

[Blessed]

Ok thank you. I found some, but they're pretty expensive