VMS single turbo in the works

[Thrasher]

I was over at the other board checking out the regional section to see what's going on. As I was scrolling down I saw a tread about the aerocharger twin trubo kit and went in to see what it's all about. While readign through Kirk at Vector had this to say on 2/1...

"We are currently working on a single turbo G8 kit. It will be a complete intercooled kit including our PowerFlash cable and tune.

Our plan is to keep the price under $6000."

If this is the case my plans could drastically change. I'd better pump the brakes and see what becomes of this.

http://www.g8board.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28860

[GPDAN]

im curious to see the numbers on this setup

[Thrasher]

I know it'd be a lot more than the $5000 or so worth of mods I was planning on finally being able to do this year.

[bubblyjock]

Hmm this and a cam or a Maggie and a cam??

[swimman]

Too many choices but this could be very interesting.

[2ltrgsr]

it would easily make more power then a maggie....

[familycaronROIDS!]

:watch: Im sure it will make good #'s. Turbo set ups are over achievers...

[G8GT594]

Turbo, not the way to go. Half of the people are racing from a dig, why go turbo? Why make all your power above 4k just to shift at 6600? Pointless and not efficient in my opinion.

[2StepsAhead]

Who's to say the turbo won't spool lower? Especially on a 6.0 I will bet it's gonna make full boost pretty early.

[G8GT594]

Who's to say the turbo won't spool lower? Especially on a 6.0 I will bet it's gonna make full boost pretty early.

What size turbo are we talking then?

[GRRRR8]

It all depends on the turbo used. The correct single turbo could hit full boost pretty quick. Just look at the Buick V6 guys and they only have 231 cu in to spool up the turbo.

[r33pwrd]

Turbo, not the way to go. Half of the people are racing from a dig, why go turbo? Why make all your power above 4k just to shift at 6600? Pointless and not efficient in my opinion.

well with the correct stall that window is just fine :)

[G8GT594]

It all depends on the turbo used. The correct single turbo could hit full boost pretty quick. Just look at the Buick V6 guys and they only have 231 cu in to spool up the turbo.

Anyone know which turbo it is?

[Robert@KBXPerformance]

Turbo, not the way to go. Half of the people are racing from a dig, why go turbo? Why make all your power above 4k just to shift at 6600? Pointless and not efficient in my opinion.


Whaaaat??? Get some more personal experience with building turbo performance cars before bringing that noise in here. :uhm:

To provide frame of reference, my car is making 400rwtq at just after 3,000rpms, over 500rwtq by 3,500rpms, hell it is even 570rwtq at 4,400rpms. That torque curve is what is getting you out of the hole so it is what applies more for dig racing. There is also no need to shift the car at 6,600 with a turbo. I command the shifts at 5,700 right now in the turbo G8. You don't need to rev a turbo 6.0 V8 to the moon like you might have to with a small turbo I4. Turbo cars can get off the line quite fast with even just brake boosting, let alone dropping a higher stall TC in there. Do those things and a properly setup turbo car will put a hurting on a Maggie or cammed car from a dig or roll. The words "not efficient" and turbo don't go in the same paragraph. :cheers:

[SpeedRacerX]

Forget about the track for a minute...

With the traction problems our cars have, NOT having all the power on tap right off the jump might actually be a good thing!

I can't wait to see this.

[SpeedRacerX]

Anyone know which turbo it is?

From the thread on the other forum:

"AirWerks (Borg Warner performance division) OEM quality and longevity."

[G8GT594]

Whaaaat??? Get some more personal experience with building turbo performance cars before bringing that noise in here. :uhm:

To provide frame of reference, my car is making 400rwtq at just after 3,000rpms, over 500rwtq by 3,500rpms, hell it is even 570rwtq at 4,400rpms. That torque curve is what is getting you out of the hole so it is what applies more for dig racing. There is also no need to shift the car at 6,600 with a turbo. I command the shifts at 5,700 right now in the turbo G8. You don't need to rev a turbo 6.0 V8 to the moon like you might have to with a small turbo I4. Turbo cars can get off the line quite fast with even just brake boosting, let alone dropping a higher stall TC in there. Do those things and a properly setup turbo car will put a hurting on a Maggie or cammed car from a dig or roll. The words "not efficient" and turbo don't go in the same paragraph. :cheers:

Actually they do and you can say the same thing for a maggie. Once again, this all depends on what kind of car your trying to build. Sorry for stepping on your feet.

[Robert@KBXPerformance]

Forget about the track for a minute...

With the traction problems our cars have, NOT having all the power on tap right off the jump might actually be a good thing!

I can't wait to see this.



Good point. I can dead hook with the M/T's on the street with virtually zero traction issues. I haze the Mickeys over a little bit from about 4,000 to shift in first gear but it is nothing major. Street tires are a VERY different story, but who races on those?!?!?? :brock:

[Robert@KBXPerformance]

Actually they do and you can say the same thing for a maggie. Once again, this all depends on what kind of car your trying to build. Sorry for stepping on your feet.

You are not stepping on my feet at all, I just don't think you really know what you are talking about when it comes to racing turbo cars. Different strokes for different folks but you were talking with specific regard to turbo cars not being good from a dig which is just not true when they are setup/driven right.

[dv327]

My 87 GN would run 11.60s all day long shifting @5200 rpms. 26 mpg and quiet on the highway. This could change my future plans on my upgrades.

[parish8]

Turbo, not the way to go. Half of the people are racing from a dig, why go turbo? Why make all your power above 4k just to shift at 6600? Pointless and not efficient in my opinion.

:uhm:

i wish more people thought like you did. i could make some serious cash.

[Mike P]

My 87 GN would run 11.60s all day long shifting @5200 rpms. 26 mpg and quiet on the highway. This could change my future plans on my upgrades.


+1

Now, instead of going with a 222/230 .597/.600 114+4 LSA cam,
I may need to get one spec'ed for a single turbo set up.....

What kind of specs would that be? Anyone know?


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[vic2186]

A properly built turbo g8 will spank most or all built Maggie or NA g8s...the top end is crazy..look at the turbo g8s on the boards with minimal mods they almost 10s ..nothin beats turbo more air more power bigger cubes equals problems..if I had to do it over my car would have that single turbo on it..

[GeorgeInNePa]

+1

Now, instead of going with a 222/230 .597/.600 114+4 LSA cam,
I may need to get one spec'ed for a single turbo set up.....

What kind of specs would that be? Anyone know?


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P-a-t--G

[Mike P]

P-a-t--G


Yep, I was thinking that too. He's the one that I got my EPS spec sheet from for the 222/230 cam I was talking about.....

Until I get another one spec'ed out.... it's Google time.... :D



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[G8GT721]

will be interesting to see how they plumb this up

[BATOYGIO]

Other than price and I guess less complicated, what makes a single turbo kit more appealing than a twin? Are there differences in power, or when the power comes on?

[parish8]

Other than price and I guess less complicated, what makes a single turbo kit more appealing than a twin? Are there differences in power, or when the power comes on?

price would be the big one. you wont have an oil return pump to worry about either.

performance wise. on a g8 it will be easier to build a twin kit for very high hp. a single large turbo would be dificult to place and a large down pipe really dificult to route.

[dv327]

Does anyone know when this may be available for sale?

[BATOYGIO]

price would be the big one. you wont have an oil return pump to worry about either.

performance wise. on a g8 it will be easier to build a twin kit for very high hp. a single large turbo would be dificult to place and a large down pipe really dificult to route.

gotcha, so price not being a factor, twin would be without a doubt the best way to go?

[parish8]

gotcha, so price not being a factor, twin would be without a doubt the best way to go?

i dont think i said that. it depends on your hp goals, how much room you have for a down pipe and turbo, bling factor... lots of stuff. the performance diference between a well set up single and well set up twins is going to be minimal.

for example on my car if i was only looking for 500hp i would have done a top mount single, more bling since you could see the turbo. less money in parts, no oil return pump. for over 600rwhp there isn't a good option for a single, the down pipe would be a bitch to go over 3"

for another example look at a full size chevy truck. you can run a big single mounted up top with a 4" down pipe. in that case it comes down to bling and money. i dont see twins being a performace advantage in that aplication since you can run and fit a large single and a large dp.

[r33pwrd]

I agree with you Parish looking under the cars hood there is minimal room for a down pipe. I wonder if we can reverse our stock manifolds for a front mount setup? I looked at a front mount GTO and they have a lot more room to work with than the G8!

[Mike P]

Here is a link to LS1 Tech that has that 2006 5.3 LS4 single turbo Monte Carlo I was talking about..... He's at 11.49 now......

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/11-second-club/1100940-06-monte-carlo-ss-ls4-5-3v8-car-tuning-turbo-kit-11-68-120-mph.html



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[Mike P]

This is at Stanton, MI......

I met this dude... He is super nice..... :)


LVqrfNLi-Ts


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[Kirk@VectorMotorsports]

i dont think i said that. it depends on your hp goals, how much room you have for a down pipe and turbo, bling factor... lots of stuff. the performance diference between a well set up single and well set up twins is going to be minimal.

for example on my car if i was only looking for 500hp i would have done a top mount single, more bling since you could see the turbo. less money in parts, no oil return pump. for over 600rwhp there isn't a good option for a single, the down pipe would be a bitch to go over 3"



Word spreads fast! We are going to size the turbo for 575 HP at the crank or 475 HP at the wheels. This is with a completely stock AFM engine. Dependability and fuel mileage are important to this project.

We are sizing so a converter is not necessary, but it sure wouldn't hurt. I have tuned many single turbo LSX engines and properly set up big torque at low RPM is easy.

We don't want to deal with oil return pumps and want to make the install as easy as possible. The kit will come with the proper tune included.

We have 3 different ideas regarding exhaust manifolds. One custom and two are maniflods from different LSX engines.

All the pieces are being ordered and we expect to have a finished product by the end of March.

[2ltrgsr]

Turbo, not the way to go. Half of the people are racing from a dig, why go turbo? Why make all your power above 4k just to shift at 6600? Pointless and not efficient in my opinion.

i love this mentality, keep thinking this and you will find out the hard way:second:

[2ltrgsr]

any introductory pricing ????

[r33pwrd]

any introductory pricing ????

Im sure thats hard when he has not even decided on what manifolds to use ;)

[SRG8]

Kirk, If you do make a custom manifold, are you planning to have the manifolds connected together for a single big turbo setup? Turbo sitting on the side where the stock air box goes.

Not sure if this is even doable in the G8.

Here is an example done by National Speed:
http://www.nationalspeedinc.com/projects/turbo-trans-am/

http://www.nationalspeedinc.com/wp-content/gallery/turbo-trans-am/image_57.jpg

[2ltrgsr]

http://www.aseturbo.com/images/uploads/Turbo%20kits/VE_T1000.jpg
more like this...

[Kirk@VectorMotorsports]

any introductory pricing ????

We are shooting to keep it under $6000.


Im sure thats hard when he has not even decided on what manifolds to use ;)

It might sound crazy but using GM stock manifolds is close to the same price as custom making stainless ones. It really comes down to production time.


Kirk, If you do make a custom manifold, are you planning to have the manifolds connected together for a single big turbo setup? Turbo sitting on the side where the stock air box goes.

Not sure if this is even doable in the G8.

Here is an example done by National Speed:
http://www.nationalspeedinc.com/projects/turbo-trans-am/

http://www.nationalspeedinc.com/wp-content/gallery/turbo-trans-am/image_57.jpg

Nothing quite that cool looking! The turbo will be where the stock air box is. There will be a crossover exhaust pipe making both sides meet up under the turbo.

[2ltrgsr]

http://www.modyourcar.com.au/images/products/2/478753661311-LST-800VE.jpg

[Devilish34]

Word spreads fast! We are going to size the turbo for 575 HP at the crank or 475 HP at the wheels. This is with a completely stock AFM engine. Dependability and fuel mileage are important to this project.

We are sizing so a converter is not necessary, but it sure wouldn't hurt. I have tuned many single turbo LSX engines and properly set up big torque at low RPM is easy.

We don't want to deal with oil return pumps and want to make the install as easy as possible. The kit will come with the proper tune included.

We have 3 different ideas regarding exhaust manifolds. One custom and two are maniflods from different LSX engines.

All the pieces are being ordered and we expect to have a finished product by the end of March.

Is it the end of March yet?

[2ltrgsr]

Is it the end of March yet?

i hope your not getting a kit ....nobody will keep up with you:facepalm2:

[Mike P]

is it the end of march yet?


+1 :)



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[SpeedRacerX]

Is it the end of March yet?


+1 :)



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+2. I really have to reconsider my performance mod plans again. FI, stealthy, street monster is what I have been wanting from day one.

[p71]

This looks very interesting... hopefully you can keep it under 6K... I love that y'all are still coming out with options even though the customer base cannot grow... way to go vector...

really random question... on the TT system you have to loose or move your cats way downstream... what are y'all planning for those guys who need to pass a visual inspection?

[Devilish34]

i hope your not getting a kit ....nobody will keep up with you:facepalm2:

FI is in the plan soooo..... :devil: but it's one of the last mods on the list

[dv327]

This is really starting to grab hold of my interest!!! More info, please.

[Kirk@VectorMotorsports]

This looks very interesting... hopefully you can keep it under 6K... I love that y'all are still coming out with options even though the customer base cannot grow... way to go vector...

really random question... on the TT system you have to loose or move your cats way downstream... what are y'all planning for those guys who need to pass a visual inspection?

Thanks!

Visual inspection meaning they have to see cats on the car? Or do they have to see stock cats in the original places?

We are thinking of a single 3.5" Metallic cat that splits on the output to tie into the stock exhaust. Or if need be split the output of the turbo and use 2 2.75" Metallic cats that tie into the existing exhaust system. Either way they should pass sniffer emissions.

The cats are not going to be in the stock location so I know California is a no go.

[G8GT594]

:uhm:

i wish more people thought like you did. i could make some serious cash.

Well of course your going to support turbos... Seriously half the fucking people on this website cant take or handle when someone else has an opinion.

[G8GT594]

i love this mentality, keep thinking this and you will find out the hard way:second:

Really? Thats why my NA car has already beat a t/c g8.

[r33pwrd]

G8GT594 you having a hard morning man? :) play nice :)

[fiveoh]

Word spreads fast! We are going to size the turbo for 575 HP at the crank or 475 HP at the wheels. This is with a completely stock AFM engine. Dependability and fuel mileage are important to this project.

We are sizing so a converter is not necessary, but it sure wouldn't hurt. I have tuned many single turbo LSX engines and properly set up big torque at low RPM is easy.

We don't want to deal with oil return pumps and want to make the install as easy as possible. The kit will come with the proper tune included.

We have 3 different ideas regarding exhaust manifolds. One custom and two are maniflods from different LSX engines.

All the pieces are being ordered and we expect to have a finished product by the end of March.

:thumbsup: I might think about selling my current mods and going to this kit, depending on how it turns out....... man my mustang is never going to get done. :facepalm2:

[G8GT594]

G8GT594 you having a hard morning man? :) play nice :)

I'm having a great morning!

Seems like i offended some people by stating my opinion from a personal perspective. By all means, if you want to turbo your car go for it. I just rather not.

[r33pwrd]

I'm having a great morning!

Seems like i offended some people by stating my opinion from a personal perspective. By all means, if you want to turbo your car go for it. I just rather not.

Have you not learned yet? Opinions are NOT welcome here or at any G8 forum! :thumbsup:

[G8GT594]

Have you not learned yet? Opinions are NOT welcome here of any G8 forum! :thumbsup:

I noticed! :brock::brock:

[dv327]

2ltrgsr, where did you get the picture of a turbo kit? Is it Vector or ???

[p71]

Well of course your going to support turbos... Seriously half the fucking people on this website cant take or handle when someone else has an opinion.

why are you making 25+ more HP than me?

[johnbell2]

Came here to read about turbo setups and a hockey match broke out :boxing:

Personal opinion from an aesthetic "form follows function" perspective, if turbo was my only option I would prefer going with twins. Would appear that there are better options there for getting the turbos as close as possible to the manifolds. Not looking at this from a peak power vs. peak power perspective but more from throttle response and other intangibles (heat management, oil routing, other stuff like that).

I imagine with variable vane setups much of this is moot but I'm just guessing that two smaller turbos would be easier to deal with re: fabrication and routing since we're not running in-line engines. Doesn't really matter, nice to know we have more options :thumbsup:

[Kirk@VectorMotorsports]

2ltrgsr, where did you get the picture of a turbo kit? Is it Vector or ???

I believe it is a Holden set-up.

[majesticix]

very interested

[MGM GT]

Word spreads fast! We are going to size the turbo for 575 HP at the crank or 475 HP at the wheels.

Any plans to offer a bigger turbo for those people that already have that much power N/A?

[ulakovic22]

I'm guessing there are space constraints to fitting a larger turbo in place of the airbox. You might be able to fit a larger turbo in there, but as Parish said, you have to be able run the pipe to support it. Doesn't make sense to run a big turbo and run a relatively small DP.

[GXPaycheck]

Subscribed

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[dv327]

Kirk, thanks for the reply. Any "teaser" pics available on the Vector system?

[grandmacpubah]

you're killing me kirk...killing me....

[MGM GT]

I'm guessing there are space constraints to fitting a larger turbo in place of the airbox. You might be able to fit a larger turbo in there, but as Parish said, you have to be able run the pipe to support it. Doesn't make sense to run a big turbo and run a relatively small DP.

You dont generally need to go bigger then the outlet of the turbo, a slightly larger turbo would have the same outlet size. A 3" downpipe which I think would be included anyway can support plenty of power... easily 700-800hp.

[Chewy]

I think it's great to see something new on the horizon. Of course I won't be able to afford it with a little one on the way but I like innovation.

[Ktlplxm]

Have you not learned yet? Opinions are NOT welcome here or at any G8 forum! :thumbsup:


I'm having a great morning!

Seems like i offended some people by stating my opinion from a personal perspective. By all means, if you want to turbo your car go for it. I just rather not.

Opinions are always welcomed, but you have to be ready for those whose opinions differ from yours as well. Trust me, I often have the least well received ones until I'm proven right. The most important thing is being able to back up your opinions with hard facts, and at the moment the Turbo cars are the fastest. I can only think of one Maggie car that runs in the tens and is a true daily driver. No NA ones running that and driving around daily

[r33pwrd]

Opinions are always welcomed, but you have to be ready for those whose opinions differ from yours as well. Trust me, I often have the least well received ones until I'm proven right. The most important thing is being able to back up your opinions with hard facts, and at the moment the Turbo cars are the fastest. I can only think of one Maggie car that runs in the tens and is a true daily driver. No NA ones running that and driving around daily

not all opinions are can be "backed up with facts" (And I never said turbo or supercharger is better)

[Ktlplxm]

not all opinions are can be "backed up with facts" (And I never said turbo or supercharger is better)

Opinions can always be reinforced with some type of proof or experience; its how we drew the conclusions in the first place

And yes, I know you didn't say either was better, that probably means that particular part of the statement wasn't directed at you.

Guess I can't even give an opinion either

[r33pwrd]

Guess I can't even give an opinion either

:boxing:

[2ltrgsr]

that pic was a ase single turbo kit

[VegasNate]

Nice to see that someone is even willing to make another forced induction option for the G8.:thumbsup:

We need to get some of these Maggie cars lined up with turbo cars at the track. Whatever happens, it would be interesting to see side by side the launch vs the big end comparison. I'm game!:devil:

[G8GT594]

Opinions can always be reinforced with some type of proof or experience; its how we drew the conclusions in the first place

And yes, I know you didn't say either was better, that probably means that particular part of the statement wasn't directed at you.

Guess I can't even give an opinion either

So thats 3 of us? lol. Honestly, i dont have anything against turboed cars i just prefer superchargers from my own personal experiences. So why this got so blown out is beyond me. You want a turbo get a turbo, i could careless.

[GRRRR8]

So thats 3 of us? lol. Honestly, i dont have anything against turboed cars i just prefer superchargers from my own personal experiences. So why this got so blown out is beyond me. You want a turbo get a turbo, i could careless.

You have been here since the begining Paul, but you really need to learn to tone it down and not take things so personal.

I reviewed all of what went on and I do not see where you were disrespected. I say disrespected because both of your posts make it seem thats how you felt.

[r33pwrd]

So thats 3 of us? lol. Honestly, i dont have anything against turboed cars i just prefer superchargers from my own personal experiences. So why this got so blown out is beyond me. You want a turbo get a turbo, i could careless.

I have had both a Supercharged car and a turbo car... I have to admit the superchrged car was WAY easier to tune but once the tubo car was tunned properly it was a lot of fun to drive. I say put a Maggie and a single turbo on to make everyone happy :)

I think for a DD I like the Magie but for more HP a turbo is always a good option.

[Posidon42]

subscribed. My last car was a turbo and I loved driving it like a 'stock' car until I wanted it to not behave like a stock car. Price is about what I would expect. Please keep us informed.

[2ltrgsr]

and that's the difference my 00 integra gsr made 450whp but drove like a stock car until you got on it.....turbo will always be better.....look at all the manufacturers that use turbo's on there cars. i think if vegas nate put a turbo kit on his car in place of the 2300 he would make more power at the same psi.

[Mike P]

Nice to see that someone is even willing to make another forced induction option for the G8.:thumbsup:

We need to get some of these Maggie cars lined up with turbo cars at the track. Whatever happens, it would be interesting to see side by side the launch vs the big end comparison. I'm game!:devil:


+1 I agree. I would love to see a race between Vegas Nate & either Parish8 or Robert@KBXPerformance......

It would be cool to see the differences in the FI launches to 330' and how the race from the 1/8 to the end of the 1/4 mile would be....



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[GeorgeInNePa]

Well of course your going to support turbos... Seriously half the fucking people on this website cant take or handle when someone else has an opinion.

:eyeroll:

[GeorgeInNePa]

Have you not learned yet? Opinions are NOT welcome here or at any G8 forum! :thumbsup:

:eyeroll:

[christiancoach]

What about STS Turbos? I wanna see Vegas Nate's Maggie setup up against the mystic98ls1's STS Turbo setup! Or the other person who was installing an STS talking 700hp.


BTW: I still can't believe that the Intense Twin Turbo G8 is the fastest. They set that time a loooooong time ago. When is someone going to get serious and break that record?????

[Robert@KBXPerformance]

+1 I agree. I would love to see a race between Vegas Nate & either Parish8 or Robert@KBXPerformance......

It would be cool to see the differences in the FI launches to 330' and how the race from the 1/8 to the end of the 1/4 mile would be....



The problem Nate is going to encounter is that by the time us turbo guys bother to make just above 600rwhp (like Nate is making) our torque will be through the roof. haha.



BTW: I still can't believe that the Intense Twin Turbo G8 is the fastest. They set that time a loooooong time ago. When is someone going to get serious and break that record?????


It has stood much too long. Something tells me that between KTX, Parish, myself, or a few other cammed+nitrous guys that will not stand much longer. I honestly think Parish will take it down first because he already has the cam installed and just finalizing. I have to delay installing the items I have due to my upcoming overseas sandbox "vacation". But it will allow more financial levity when I finally return. :cool2:

[Torqued]

Here are a few pics of a single turbo setup on a 2010 Camaro. I don't think the G8 setup would be much different or would it?

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1337795

[parish8]

It has stood much too long. Something tells me that between KTX, Parish, myself, or a few other cammed+nitrous guys that will not stand much longer. I honestly think Parish will take it down first because he already has the cam installed and just finalizing. I have to delay installing the items I have due to my upcoming overseas sandbox "vacation". But it will allow more financial levity when I finally return. :cool2:

i might be able to beat that ET but right now i dont plan on upgrading any of my driveline. my car is done for awhile, all i have left to do is work on the tune and mount up the dr's.

[GeorgeInNePa]

Here are a few pics of a single turbo setup on a 2010 Camaro. I don't think the G8 setup would be much different or would it?

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1337795


There's another single turbo system on that site also.

[r33pwrd]

:eyeroll:

:hug:

[Mike P]

How much is that Camaro turbo set up?


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[Robert@KBXPerformance]

i might be able to beat that ET but right now i dont plan on upgrading any of my driveline. my car is done for awhile, all i have left to do is work on the tune and mount up the dr's.


For some reason I got the feeling you were planning another round of mods for later this year. It wasn't anything you said, just a few things that were somewhat alluded to. Are you good to go with the trans tuning for your car?

[parish8]

For some reason I got the feeling you were planning another round of mods for later this year. It wasn't anything you said, just a few things that were somewhat alluded to. Are you good to go with the trans tuning for your car?

trans was working great when i ran 11.44. not so sure now, just getting started with tuning for cam and converter. in the tuning section i just started a thread about the converter not staying locked.

i would love to keep dumping money in the car but i am thinking about taking a few months off from it other than racing/driving it. dump some money in the house/garage/yard...

it seems i am near a cross over point. the bang for the buck has been great so far but to continue things are going to get very expensive. the engine/tranny/rear/suspension.... all will need money if i push it much harder.

[Ktlplxm]

BTW: I still can't believe that the Intense Twin Turbo G8 is the fastest. They set that time a loooooong time ago. When is someone going to get serious and break that record?????



It has stood much too long. Something tells me that between KTX, Parish, myself, or a few other cammed+nitrous guys that will not stand much longer. I honestly think Parish will take it down first because he already has the cam installed and just finalizing. I have to delay installing the items I have due to my upcoming overseas sandbox "vacation". But it will allow more financial levity when I finally return. :cool2:

I'm not 100% sure what Intense's record is, but I do know for a fact that people have been very close to breaking it. The key isn't necessarily the power needed to do it, just the sacrifices the and compromises you're willing to make in the car. the Maggie equipped vehicle I was referring to earlier made its 10.9x pass with 18" drag radials and a factory stall. With 16"wheels, a stall and perhaps a little more gear, it should be able to match eclipse Intense's time. Of course the owner also will nt install any amount of cage or roll bar to the car so running at very many tracks is out of the picture as well:popo:

[SpeedRacerX]

So, I ran 13.212@108 with high DA. 13.075@109.4 corrected. This was on my first two times out with the G8. I know I can hit 12.9x just with weather and things I've learned since then about launching & tires.

After my Spring round of appearance mods are done, I will be back to performance.

I have been planning on a 3.45 or 3.70 rear being my next performance mod because the car needs it badly. For a DD, where most of my driving is city, I'd rather have the rear than a stall. I actually think it will help move my car easier and help with my mpg around town.

I'm thinking that with a new 3.45 or 3.70 diff (to help keep the RPMs higher in case there is any low end lag in the turbo) plus this single turbo kit = game over. Pretty much done at that point. DD, sleeper, surprise just about anything on the road.

Thinking I'd end up at mid 11's if I have traction???

And really, when you consider the investment it takes for other FI or even NA to get to mid 11's, a single turbo and a gear isn't that bad. Or is it?????

Opinions please.

[SpeedRacerX]

I'm not 100% sure what Intense's record is, but I do know for a fact that people have been very close to breaking it. The key isn't necessarily the power needed to do it, just the sacrifices the and compromises you're willing to make in the car. the Maggie equipped vehicle I was referring to earlier made its 10.9x pass with 18" drag radials and a factory stall. With 16"wheels, a stall and perhaps a little more gear, it should be able to match eclipse Intense's time. Of course the owner also will nt install any amount of cage or roll bar to the car so running at very many tracks is out of the picture as well:popo:

House of Boost ran 11.00@???
Intense ran 10.727@129.87

[Ktlplxm]

House of Boost ran 11.00@???
Intense ran 10.727@129.87

So only .21 seconds.... that's not too bad. Supporting mods can net that

[G8GT721]

House of Boost ran 11.00@???
Intense ran 10.727@129.87

according to their video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1trhsQftOMg)

HOB ran 11.00@129.5
car makes 635rwhp & 671rwtq @ 14psi

[Ktlplxm]

according to their video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1trhsQftOMg)

HOB ran 11.00@129.5
car makes 635rwhp & 671rwtq @ 14psi

And the HOB car was almost completely stock other than tires and aerochargers

[SpeedRacerX]

You can see all of Intense's Build here:

http://www.intense-racing.com/intenseg8_home.shtml

To net it out:

1. APS Twin Turbo & Tune, 7 psi, 473 rwhp.

2. Exhaust, 60# injectors, 9 psi, 545 rwhp.

3. Cam, misc engine & fuel system supporting mods, 12 psi, 723 rwhp.

By the way, Intense's website says Scott Cook has sold to a new owner.

[Ktlplxm]

Concerning the HOB car:
Only Mods: Twin Aerocharger system, CCW Drag Pack, Magnaflow Exhaust

UPDATE: 01.16.10 ~ Car is still together, still has a 100% stock motor and tranny. Nothing has been touched, still racking up miles. So for anyone that doesn't think the GM stuff will hold up, this thing is passing the test. Over 30k miles on it now! These Aerochargers rock! Wicked performance for simple little mods.... No Fuel System, No Cam, No Stall......hasn't even had to come into GM for any warranty work! So Props to GM....take care all.

[2ltrgsr]

gotta love the gm ls series motors

[VegasNate]

Concerning the HOB car:
Only Mods: Twin Aerocharger system, CCW Drag Pack, Magnaflow Exhaust

UPDATE: 01.16.10 ~ Car is still together, still has a 100% stock motor and tranny. Nothing has been touched, still racking up miles. So for anyone that doesn't think the GM stuff will hold up, this thing is passing the test. Over 30k miles on it now! These Aerochargers rock! Wicked performance for simple little mods.... No Fuel System, No Cam, No Stall......hasn't even had to come into GM for any warranty work! So Props to GM....take care all.

Makes me feel a little better. Friday night should be fun! :new3: personal best on the way!!!

[Robert@KBXPerformance]

The key isn't necessarily the power needed to do it, just the sacrifices the and compromises you're willing to make in the car.


Very true. I plan to stay somewhat near full weight. Only weight reduction done in my car will be what I can take out without sacrificing creature comforts or safety. With weight reduction the sky is the limit.

[g8sponge]

This should be interesting. Its going to be a hard choice between a cam, maggie, or turbo when the time comes.


Here are a few pics of a single turbo setup on a 2010 Camaro. I don't think the G8 setup would be much different or would it?

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1337795

^^^ Similar to a WRX/STI setup but caddy corner. Crossover, uppipe, et all. I wonder about the turbo placement causing high EGTs in the adjacent cylinders-- a leading cause of failures in Subarus. All in the tune to some extent. Anyway, under the hood temps will be really hot in G8s (without a giant hood scoop :brock:).

[2ltrgsr]

its amazing what heat wrap and a turbo blanket will do to improve that....

[deputycrawford]

Damn. Now I gotta choose between cam and turbo next. Come Kirk, give us a break. I'm gonna end up calling my job and changing the address where my paycheck gets sent.

Jerry

[Mike P]

Damn. Now I gotta choose between cam and turbo next. Come Kirk, give us a break. I'm gonna end up calling my job and changing the address where my paycheck gets sent.

Jerry


If you can afford it. Go turbo!

Cammed is fun, but I think FI, especially this single set up would be fun as hell! :thumbsup:



...

[Robert@KBXPerformance]

Damn. Now I gotta choose between cam and turbo next. Come Kirk, give us a break. I'm gonna end up calling my job and changing the address where my paycheck gets sent.

Jerry


If you know you will eventually go turbo then do that first. That way you don't go with a FI/turbo friendly cam too soon and hurt power a bit. Do the turbo first and if you still want more then cam it too. This is all assuming you can afford it. If not then save up and do the turbo first... :cheers:

[deputycrawford]

Thanks for the info. I might just do that. I will get my GTO tuned soon and ask about the turbo kit while I'm there. Man I hate cars.


Jerry

[MGM GT]

I would do the DoD delete cam before any FI. I don't trust it and would hate to have it under any more pressure ready to take your engine out the second something fails.

[deputycrawford]

I ve got mine disabled through the tune but I always wondered if those heavy lifters are ok in the engine as long as I don't over rev it. I'll ask. I have been really thinking about it all evening. I really might be able to do this early summer. Maybe Kirk can use my car for a test vehicle so I can get the kit and install for free....LOL

Jerry

[grandmacpubah]

I thought I finally had my plans set and now kirk makes me second guess them...so how hacked up would my headers get if I put the single turbo in?

[Robert@KBXPerformance]

I would do the DoD delete cam before any FI. I don't trust it and would hate to have it under any more pressure ready to take your engine out the second something fails.


The average person will not need to worry about that. I still have all DoD and stock cam in my G8 and have been running the TT's at 500rwhp for about 3,000 miles now. I did turn DoD off in the tune though. I think that for a milder boosted situation (500rwhp and less) that keeping DoD will not be anything to lose sleep over. Now I am planning on getting rid of all the DoD hardware along with a turbo cam but that is also because I plan to push the combo a bit further too.

[Robert@KBXPerformance]

I thought I finally had my plans set and now kirk makes me second guess them...so how hacked up would my headers get if I put the single turbo in?


If I were you I would sell the headers and recoop some money rather than trying to hack them up. They are a totally different configuration than what would be friendly for the routing of exhaust pipes for a single turbo. If they were shorties then they possibly could be used, but not LT's.

[jimmytt6]

I was thinking same thing about headers...I wonder if the kit will allow us with Kooks 1 7/8 mid or shorty headers work with turbo..also wonder if you have a cat-back exhaust, will that probably not work with kit too??

[2ltrgsr]

well unless your headers can resemble this then probably not.

http://www.modyourcar.com.au/images/products/2/478753661311-LST-800VE.jpg

[Kirk@VectorMotorsports]

I would do the DoD delete cam before any FI. I don't trust it and would hate to have it under any more pressure ready to take your engine out the second something fails.

There will not be any extra pressure on the lifters. Extra stress on the lifters either comes from higher RPM or stiffer valve springs. Our normal G8 calibration only raises the RPM limiter by 150. We will not raise it any higher with the turbo calibration.


I thought I finally had my plans set and now kirk makes me second guess them...so how hacked up would my headers get if I put the single turbo in?

Robert is correct. Selling the headers and getting some money back is the way to go.


I was thinking same thing about headers...I wonder if the kit will allow us with Kooks 1 7/8 mid or shorty headers work with turbo..also wonder if you have a cat-back exhaust, will that probably not work with kit too??

No aftermarket headers will work with the turbo. We are custom making the exhaust. It will connect directly to the factory cat back system or aftermarket cat-back system.

[MGM GT]

There will not be any extra pressure on the lifters. Extra stress on the lifters either comes from higher RPM or stiffer valve springs. Our normal G8 calibration only raises the RPM limiter by 150. We will not raise it any higher with the turbo calibration.

So you don't think PSI rises against both sides of the valves when opening/closing against forced induction?

I'm confident it does and effects all the parts associated. I don't feel the stock pieces are up to the task as they have been shown to fail on stock engines.



The average person will not need to worry about that. I still have all DoD and stock cam in my G8 and have been running the TT's at 500rwhp for about 3,000 miles now. I did turn DoD off in the tune though. I think that for a milder boosted situation (500rwhp and less) that keeping DoD will not be anything to lose sleep over. Now I am planning on getting rid of all the DoD hardware along with a turbo cam but that is also because I plan to push the combo a bit further too.

True maybe not a factor at low levels... But personally I wouldn't want to deal with a turbo for 500hp or less as most of the cam'd cars are running mid 400's now.

[r33pwrd]

I'm confident it does and effects all the parts associated. I don't feel the stock pieces are up to the task as they have been shown to fail on stock engines

OK well im pretty sure there are guys with the 2300 and the APS kit running stock springs and valves?? Am I wrong?

[MGM GT]

OK well im pretty sure there are guys with the 2300 and the APS kit running stock springs and valves?? Am I wrong?

Probably... you can do anything. I would like to see it in 30,000 miles or so.

I guess I just prefer a reliable setup and would rather eliminate problems up front then discover them on the side of the road.

[jimmytt6]

No aftermarket headers will work with the turbo. We are custom making the exhaust. It will connect directly to the factory cat back system or aftermarket cat-back system.

Ok thanks Kirk for the info..Is it safe to assume that the system also comes with high flow cat's on new exhaust manifolds? Then from there connect to factory or aftermarket cat back system?

thanks,
jim

[r33pwrd]

I guess I just prefer a reliable setup and would rather eliminate problems up front then discover them on the side of the road.

From my past history (not G8) a 450hp NA motor will not be as reliable as a 450hp NA motor....

these cars do amaze me with how much HP they put down with a cam and some minor other mods but how many cam guys have 30K on their motors?

[MGM GT]

From my past history (not G8) a 450hp NA motor will not be as reliable as a 450hp NA motor....

these cars do amaze me with how much HP they put down with a cam and some minor other mods but how many cam guys have 30K on their motors?

HUH? I think you meant F/I vs N/A?

I have almost 40k miles on my car...

[r33pwrd]

HUH? I think you meant F/I vs N/A?

I have almost 40k miles on my car...

Yep typo :)

I have always had very good luck with FI cars holding up.

again I have no personal experince with either on a G8, im cosidering a cam or a TVS or a turbo :) I think they are all good options.

[1meand]

Ok thanks Kirk for the info..Is it safe to assume that the system also comes with high flow cat's on new exhaust manifolds? Then from there connect to factory or aftermarket cat back system?

thanks,
jim

I would like to know if the kit comes with high flow cats too? If not, I would want to get the Solo cats.

Thanks,
Dan

[Kirk@VectorMotorsports]

So you don't think PSI rises against both sides of the valves when opening/closing against forced induction?

I'm confident it does and effects all the parts associated. I don't feel the stock pieces are up to the task as they have been shown to fail on stock engines.


Pressure rises on the back side of the intake valve for sure, but that actually takes stress off of the lifter since the pressure helps open the valve.

I'm not sure why you think there would be more pressure on the piston side.

[Steve@Vectormotorsports]

True maybe not a factor at low levels... But personally I wouldn't want to deal with a turbo for 500hp or less as most of the cam'd cars are running mid 400's now.

I see your point, but whats the torque on that mid 400's car?
Plus the sleek style of a turbo car creeping up on a cam G8 that's thumping away is sweet. Now that being said, A cam turbo set-up would just be wicked.:cool2:

[Robert@KBXPerformance]

True maybe not a factor at low levels... But personally I wouldn't want to deal with a turbo for 500hp or less as most of the cam'd cars are running mid 400's now.


You also may want to think about average hp and tq. While 500rwhp may not seem like much for a turbo to make it will also be making damn near 600rwtq too. A cammed car isn't normally going to be within 150rwtq of that. That is a HUGE factor in the cars acceleration. Turbo G8's normally get darn near 30mpg on the highway and 20+ mixed driving. Not that mpg is a huge factor but it does not hurt to get more. Not saying turbo's are better than cammed cars but I think taking a look at the whole picture would be the smart thing to do here. :cheers:

[Robert@KBXPerformance]

I see your point, but whats the torque on that mid 400's car?
Plus the sleek style of a turbo car creeping up on a cam G8 that's thumping away is sweet. Now that being said, A cam turbo set-up would just be wicked.:cool2:


Damn Steve you beat me to it. haha :thumbsup:

[MGM GT]

Pressure rises on the back side of the intake valve for sure, but that actually takes stress off of the lifter since the pressure helps open the valve.

I'm not sure why you think there would be more pressure on the piston side.

Because our engines don't have 100% volumetric efficiency and cylinder pressures are higher but you knew that ;)

I'd just rather have quality pieces controlling the valve train. I know its not required but it doesn't hurt either.



I see your point, but whats the torque on that mid 400's car?
Plus the sleek style of a turbo car creeping up on a cam G8 that's thumping away is sweet. Now that being said, A cam turbo set-up would just be wicked.:cool2:

True the mid 400's cam cars have low 400's tq.



You also may want to think about average hp and tq. While 500rwhp may not seem like much for a turbo to make it will also be making damn near 600rwtq too. A cammed car isn't normally going to be within 150rwtq of that. That is a HUGE factor in the cars acceleration. Turbo G8's normally get darn near 30mpg on the highway and 20+ mixed driving. Not that mpg is a huge factor but it does not hurt to get more. Not saying turbo's are better than cammed cars but I think taking a look at the whole picture would be the smart thing to do here. :cheers:

True but thats why this little piggy has nitrous... gotta compare apples to apples ;) I get 27-28mpg driving normally with my N/A setup as it is now.

I'm looking for something to replace the nitrous on my cammed car and this looked promising. It was stated that the kit was going to be for around 500hp or less which I already have... I assume that was at a very low PSI but no details were given. I was hoping you can either turn up the boost a bit or run a slightly larger turbo, whichever is easier to move more air.

[Robert@KBXPerformance]

True but thats why this little piggy has nitrous... gotta compare apples to apples ;) I get 27-28mpg driving normally with my N/A setup as it is now.

I'm looking for something to replace the nitrous on my cammed car and this looked promising. It was stated that the kit was going to be for around 500hp or less which I already have... I assume that was at a very low PSI but no details were given. I was hoping you can either turn up the boost a bit or run a slightly larger turbo, whichever is easier to move more air.



I cannot speak FOR Vector here but I can speak from the perspective of a person who has built multiple custom turbo systems for various vehicles before. Unless they are running a tiny turbo in this kit then you probably will be able to turn it up a bit to make more than 500rwhp; especially considering that they probably plan to have the G8 GT make that without any meth injection or aftermarket FI friendly cam. Add those and the numbers will go up even if the boost stays the same or decreases. However, when it comes to building a turbo system for a vehicle and application you first have to set the goals for what you want the car to make powerwise and how you want that power to come on. All that is taken into account when it comes to sizing the turbo compressor, compressor housing, turbine wheel, turbine housing, and CHRA bearing system. This system may be optimized for around 500rwhp on a mostly stock G8 GT but that doesn't automatically mean it cannot support more.

Cammed/nitrous combo's aren't exactly cheap to build either if you are doing it right. I have always loved nitrous but it sure as heck is nice to have all the power available at the stab of your foot.

[2ltrgsr]

well when this kit is released we can do a g8 on 7psi vs. a cammed g8 with nitrous.....wonder who will win, and who will be reliable 40k miles down the road?

[Robert@KBXPerformance]

well when this kit is released we can do a g8 on 7psi vs. a cammed g8 with nitrous.....wonder who will win, and who will be reliable 40k miles down the road?


Of course it all depends on the tune, but on average a turbo G8 GT should put down around 460-475rwhp and 525-540ish rwtq on 7 psi with no methanol injection and on stock cam.

[Devilish34]

I see your point, but whats the torque on that mid 400's car?
Plus the sleek style of a turbo car creeping up on a cam G8 that's thumping away is sweet. Now that being said, A cam turbo set-up would just be wicked.:cool2:

My 6 liter singer creeps up just fine :cool2:

[Devilish34]

Of course it all depends on the tune, but on average a turbo G8 GT should put down around 460-475rwhp and 525-540ish rwtq on 7 psi with no methanol injection and on stock cam.

That much tq will definitely require drive shaft and rear mods if it's run regularly at the track.

[2ltrgsr]

but that cam car won't sound like a 747 when you have the cutouts open on that turbo g8:)

[MGM GT]

I cannot speak FOR Vector here but I can speak from the perspective of a person who has built multiple custom turbo systems for various vehicles before. Unless they are running a tiny turbo in this kit then you probably will be able to turn it up a bit to make more than 500rwhp; especially considering that they probably plan to have the G8 GT make that without any meth injection or aftermarket FI friendly cam. Add those and the numbers will go up even if the boost stays the same or decreases. However, when it comes to building a turbo system for a vehicle and application you first have to set the goals for what you want the car to make powerwise and how you want that power to come on. All that is taken into account when it comes to sizing the turbo compressor, compressor housing, turbine wheel, turbine housing, and CHRA bearing system. This system may be optimized for around 500rwhp on a mostly stock G8 GT but that doesn't automatically mean it cannot support more.

Cammed/nitrous combo's aren't exactly cheap to build either if you are doing it right. I have always loved nitrous but it sure as heck is nice to have all the power available at the stab of your foot.

All true!



My 6 liter singer creeps up just fine :cool2:

The low PSI turbo times are pretty close to the good cam'd runs.. add some N2O and it gets interesting!

[parish8]

That much tq will definitely require drive shaft and rear mods if it's run regularly at the track.

all depends on how hard it hits off the line. i have a pile of runs in the 11's with a best of 11.44 @124.5. no driveline mods.

[MGM GT]

all depends on how hard it hits off the line. i have a pile of runs in the 11's with a best of 11.44 @124.5. no driveline mods.

Get an AMS-1000 and make that turbo do jumping jacks with no spin off the line!

[Devilish34]

all depends on how hard it hits off the line. i have a pile of runs in the 11's with a best of 11.44 @124.5. no driveline mods.

I agree on how hard you beat the bitch off the line... That being said weak 397tq with a 2800-300 stall broke my shit on a soft rolled into it launch....FTR whats a pile?

[Devilish34]

The low PSI turbo times are pretty close to the good cam'd runs.. add some N2O and it gets interesting!

I only posted the sewing machine for you lol

[parish8]

Get an AMS-1000 and make that turbo do jumping jacks with no spin off the line!

i am going with the blitz sbc color but there doesn't seem to be one in the entire county. speed based boost or rpm based boost are the features i want most but that unit has a huge pile of features and looks cool too.

i am thinking 3psi in 1st, 5psi in 2nd, 10+psi in 3rd and 4th.

[MGM GT]

I only posted the sewing machine for you lol

I figured haha. It's so damn quiet with the stock mufflers I hear every tick from the engine, (almost as annoying as having the loud mufflers on there... I can't decide which is worse) really sleeper status though! A few cars have tried and lost with the stockers on it... nobody will race me when I have the other ones on. Definitely not a singer with the pipes on it!

[MGM GT]

i am going with the blitz sbc color but there doesn't seem to be one in the entire county. speed based boost or rpm based boost are the features i want most but that unit has a huge pile of features and looks cool too.

i am thinking 3psi in 1st, 5psi in 2nd, 10+psi in 3rd and 4th.

Nice, that ones a little sleeker. Either way you should be able to dial it in. I like the sounds of 10+!

[r33pwrd]

i am going with the blitz sbc color but there doesn't seem to be one in the entire county. speed based boost or rpm based boost are the features i want most but that unit has a huge pile of features and looks cool too.

i am thinking 3psi in 1st, 5psi in 2nd, 10+psi in 3rd and 4th.

horespower freaks has them in stock :) You can buy them on Amazon or direct from them.

[parish8]

I agree on how hard you beat the bitch off the line... That being said weak 397tq with a 2800-300 stall broke my shit on a soft rolled into it launch....FTR whats a pile?

a pile is around 80runs at the track.

[parish8]

horespower freaks has them in stock :) You can buy them on Amazon or direct from them.

thanks, i will give both of them a try. i have tried ordering one from 2 places so far that says they have them in stock only to be told 4DAYS later that they couldn't get one at this time.

edit.. grrrr, hpf is $140 more than the other places i tried ordering from. i dont know if i am in that much of a hurry.

[99-LS1-SS]

i am going with the blitz sbc color but there doesn't seem to be one in the entire county. speed based boost or rpm based boost are the features i want most but that unit has a huge pile of features and looks cool too.

i am thinking 3psi in 1st, 5psi in 2nd, 10+psi in 3rd and 4th.

That is a fancy setup there.

This is probably a dumb question but, can TVS systems do anything similar to this?

[GeorgeInNePa]

That is a fancy setup there.

This is probably a dumb question but, can TVS systems do anything similar to this?

Since boost is controlled by the pulleys and is constant, I'm going to say no.

Of course, I really have no idea... ;)

[Devilish34]

That is a fancy setup there.

This is probably a dumb question but, can TVS systems do anything similar to this?

Maybe if you could find away to control the blow off valve

[Ktlplxm]

That much tq will definitely require drive shaft and rear mods if it's run regularly at the track.

Oh no don't start that discussion on here, we'll have the holy trinity of axle breakers pointing out why everyone needs new axles, diffs, and gears lol


That is a fancy setup there.

This is probably a dumb question but, can TVS systems do anything similar to this?
It would be extremely difficult to actuate


Maybe if you could find away to control the blow off valve
Blow off valves shouldnt be able to do it, thats why on turbo cars they changethe pressure a the wastegate, not the BOV. Adjustable wastegates are designed to regulate boost not release it per se, whereas BOV are specifically designed to evacuate the charged side of a system as quickly as possible, not regulate

[2ltrgsr]

i am going with the blitz sbc color but there doesn't seem to be one in the entire county. speed based boost or rpm based boost are the features i want most but that unit has a huge pile of features and looks cool too.

i am thinking 3psi in 1st, 5psi in 2nd, 10+psi in 3rd and 4th.


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[MGM GT]

The EBoost2 is simply the best boost controller on the market.

hahaha not even close

[2ltrgsr]

why is that?

[Kirk@VectorMotorsports]

Because our engines don't have 100% volumetric efficiency and cylinder pressures are higher but you knew that ;)

I'd just rather have quality pieces controlling the valve train. I know its not required but it doesn't hurt either.



Cylinder pressure will be much higher, but not when either valve is opening. Remember, we were talking about stress on the valve train.

I agree, better parts are never a bad thing.


I cannot speak FOR Vector here but I can speak from the perspective of a person who has built multiple custom turbo systems for various vehicles before. Unless they are running a tiny turbo in this kit then you probably will be able to turn it up a bit to make more than 500rwhp; especially considering that they probably plan to have the G8 GT make that without any meth injection or aftermarket FI friendly cam. Add those and the numbers will go up even if the boost stays the same or decreases. However, when it comes to building a turbo system for a vehicle and application you first have to set the goals for what you want the car to make powerwise and how you want that power to come on. All that is taken into account when it comes to sizing the turbo compressor, compressor housing, turbine wheel, turbine housing, and CHRA bearing system. This system may be optimized for around 500rwhp on a mostly stock G8 GT but that doesn't automatically mean it cannot support more.

Cammed/nitrous combo's aren't exactly cheap to build either if you are doing it right. I have always loved nitrous but it sure as heck is nice to have all the power available at the stab of your foot.

The turbo is large enough to make 700 HP at the engine. The A/R is such that the turbo will come on fairly quickly. The wastegate is going to be pre-set at 7 lbs. You can turn it up and get a custom tune with no problems.


Ok thanks Kirk for the info..Is it safe to assume that the system also comes with high flow cat's on new exhaust manifolds? Then from there connect to factory or aftermarket cat back system?

thanks,
jim

Yes, we will offer a off-road version & a version with twin HF cats. The cats will bolt right up to the stock or an aftermarket cat-back.


I would like to know if the kit comes with high flow cats too? If not, I would want to get the Solo cats.

Thanks,
Dan

Check my answer above. We are researching on what cats to run. The will for sure be metallic type. Metallic cats are pretty expensive, but are very efficient and flow well.

[jimmytt6]

Thanks for the info Kirk...look forward to seeing kit when done..

[SpeedRacerX]

oh no don't start that discussion on here, we'll have the holy trinity of axle breakers pointing out why everyone needs new axles, diffs, and gears lol



lmfao


thanks for the info kirk...look forward to seeing kit when done..

+1!!!

[r33pwrd]

OK kirk get off the forum and get to work allready! :) I am excited to see this kit!

[Devilish34]

Oh no don't start that discussion on here, we'll have the holy trinity of axle breakers pointing out why everyone needs new axles, diffs, and gears lol



bite me

[SpeedRacerX]

Well guys, I've decided to put my performance modding plans on hold UNTIL this kit comes out.

No sense me continuing down a hodge-podge, bolt-on or other path when my ultimate goal is FI anyway.

I am going to sit tight, save up, and wait for this kit. If this kit doesn't pan out, I will probably build my own rear mount setup - at least I can keep my cats for NJ.

Can't wait to see what Vector comes up with here!!! Thanks Vector for taking a crack at this!

Only thing I would consider doing is a 3.45 or 3.70 diff this way I'll always be in the boost range without cracking open the engine or trans (stall/cam). Traction? Who needs that? LOL.

[Kirk@VectorMotorsports]

OK kirk get off the forum and get to work allready! :) I am excited to see this kit!

OK :) We are getting all of the parts together and I will update you guys as we progress.

[dv327]

Subscribed!!!

[spider1701]

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Yes, we will offer a off-road version & a version with twin HF cats. The cats will bolt right up to the stock or an aftermarket cat-back.



Check my answer above. We are researching on what cats to run. The will for sure be metallic type. Metallic cats are pretty expensive, but are very efficient and flow well.[/QUOTE]

maybe you should try the new solo cats?

[parish8]

http://www.turbosmartdirect.com/front/pics/Eboost2675.jpg





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i have used the blitz speed based stuff before and it works great. it is also super easy to use. you dont need the instructions to program it.

i dont think the eboost will even do what i want, the speed based boost. when i said 3psi in 1st, 5psi in 2nd. that is really based on speed. i dont know how you would tell the eboost what gear you are in.

the time based part might get the job done but i like the speed based set up. you can run form a roll and it will still do it's job.

[deputycrawford]

I am subscribed to this post. I am looking forward to hearing everything about it. Very interested.

Jerry

[Ktlplxm]

lmfao


Glad someone found that funny


bite me

oh com one, I figured you'd like that!!


[


Yes, we will offer a off-road version & a version with twin HF cats. The cats will bolt right up to the stock or an aftermarket cat-back

maybe you should try the new solo cats?

Just wondering, what is the point in the catted set-up ( vs off road)? I realize noise could be a factor, but hihg flow cats traditionally don't pass emissions anyway, and still require the o2's to be disabled. The california cars are still going to fail inspection, and if its just a matter of visual inspection why not just provide a hull?

[r33pwrd]

Big fine in a lot of states not to have cats would be one reason.

[GeorgeInNePa]

Glad someone found that funny





I LOLd.

Who's the third?

Or are you just expecting another unlucky fucker to soon join our little group?

;)

[mi04se1]

[


Yes, we will offer a off-road version & a version with twin HF cats. The cats will bolt right up to the stock or an aftermarket cat-back.



Check my answer above. We are researching on what cats to run. The will for sure be metallic type. Metallic cats are pretty expensive, but are very efficient and flow well.

maybe you should try the new solo cats?[/QUOTE]

+2 I just ordered the solo cats and I would love to go this route.

[Ktlplxm]

Big fine in a lot of states not to have cats would be one reason.

But in those states, isn't it a visual only inspection? If they are just reading the computer, then a properly calibrated one won't throw any codes that the average inspector would find

[Ktlplxm]

I LOLd.

Who's the third?

Or are you just expecting another unlucky fucker to soon join our little group?

;)

I thought someone other than you and Devilish had broken one on the board. We had alocal guy break one, but he was out doing tons and tons of donuts and long sustained burnouts

[r33pwrd]

But in those states, isn't it a visual only inspection? If they are just reading the computer, then a properly calibrated one won't throw any codes that the average inspector would find

im not going to chance a 10K dollar fine ;) but yes WA is a visual / OBDII inspection state but I dont think the hP gain without cats warrants the chance IMO.

[Mike P]

im not going to chance a 10K dollar fine ;) but yes WA is a visual / OBDII inspection state but I dont think the hP gain without cats warrants the chance IMO.


$10,000 fine!!? That sucks. There is no such thing as a DMV in Michigan. You have to love that.......


...

[GeorgeInNePa]

I thought someone other than you and Devilish had broken one on the board. We had alocal guy break one, but he was out doing tons and tons of donuts and long sustained burnouts

Just the two of us.

Others are getting the peg leg thing, but just two axles so far.

BTW, I don't know if you saw that I had posted that my diff clutches are totally shot.

[Devilish34]

Just the two of us on the board so far.

Others are getting the peg leg thing, but just two axles so far.

BTW, I don't know if you saw that I had posted that my diff clutches are totally shot.

fixed

[Thrasher]

Just the two of us.

Others are getting the peg leg thing, but just two axles so far.

BTW, I don't know if you saw that I had posted that my diff clutches are totally shot.

It's going to be interesting to see what parts of the drive train hold up to the kind of power you guys are making over time.

[GeorgeInNePa]

It's going to be interesting to see what parts of the drive train hold up to the kind of power you guys are making over time.

Glad to be of service.

lol

[Thrasher]

Glad to be of service.

lol

lol I just hope when I grow up I can break stuff too! :brock:

[Ktlplxm]

Just the two of us.

Others are getting the peg leg thing, but just two axles so far.

BTW, I don't know if you saw that I had posted that my diff clutches are totally shot.

I do remember seeing someting about that, I also remember that being a reoccuring problem in the 7.5 f-body rears; it was most prevalent in those that did extended burnouts. Almost makes ya wonder...

[GeorgeInNePa]

I do remember seeing someting about that, I also remember that being a reoccuring problem in the 7.5 f-body rears; it was most prevalent in those that did extended burnouts. Almost makes ya wonder...


My car has done a lot of burnouts and launches. I went through 4 tires on the rear in 13000 miles.

Comparably, the car has IIRC less than 20 passes with drag tires that require a burnout to heat them up. Probably more like 12 to 15.

Are you telling me that 12 to 15, 8 to 10 second burnouts have done in the diff?

If so, it's shit to begin with.

[Ktlplxm]

My car has done a lot of burnouts and launches. I went through 4 tires on the rear in 13000 miles.

Comparably, the car has IIRC less than 20 passes with drag tires that require a burnout to heat them up. Probably more like 12 to 15.

Are you telling me that 12 to 15, 8 to 10 second burnouts have done in the diff?

If so, it's shit to begin with.

It could be. Those are long burnouts, which in turn put way more stress on a 2.92 gear set than it would on a 3.2x or 3.70. Additionally, factory "posi units" are of the limited slip variety (regardless of vehicle LSD are designed to slip and in a "family car" it is only realistic that it be more prevalent). The same thing happens in plenty of 4x4 vehicles as well that supposedly have "posi's" in them. In an ideal application the engineers wouldn't be forced to put weak "quiet" diffs in the cars, they would be able to install good strong consistent diffs in instead.

Besides, almost all factory diffs are shit to begin with!!

[GeorgeInNePa]

It could be. Those are long burnouts, which in turn put way more stress on a 2.92 gear set than it would on a 3.2x or 3.70. Additionally, factory "posi units" are of the limited slip variety (regardless of vehicle LSD are designed to slip and in a "family car" it is only realistic that it be more prevalent). The same thing happens in plenty of 4x4 vehicles as well that supposedly have "posi's" in them. In an ideal application the engineers wouldn't be forced to put weak "quiet" diffs in the cars, they would be able to install good strong consistent diffs in instead.

Besides, almost all factory diffs are shit to begin with!!

Well, we'll see if I can break a TrueTrac.

As far as I can tell, none of the boys in Oz have yet.

;)

[Devilish34]

It could be. Those are long burnouts, which in turn put way more stress on a 2.92 gear set than it would on a 3.2x or 3.70. Additionally, factory "posi units" are of the limited slip variety (regardless of vehicle LSD are designed to slip and in a "family car" it is only realistic that it be more prevalent). The same thing happens in plenty of 4x4 vehicles as well that supposedly have "posi's" in them. In an ideal application the engineers wouldn't be forced to put weak "quiet" diffs in the cars, they would be able to install good strong consistent diffs in instead.

Besides, almost all factory diffs are shit to begin with!!

^This

[MGM GT]

I just don't understand how Chevy can provide a Quaife diff on the Cobalt but we get stuck with crap... gotta love ameristralian engineering :facepalm2:

[breakinparts]

This project is definitely cool. Too bad I spent all that money on exhaust... Still might just do a cam...

[Thrasher]

Is it ready yet?...Is it ready yet?... At this point I think I'd be tempted to throw it on a CC and act just as confused as the wife when it shows up at the door and she calls.:uhm: I've wanted a turbo car since I used to take my boss's GN T-Type to the car wash every Friday almost 15 years ago. I think that monster it's still the fastest car I've driven!

[y2kws6]

I was all set to do a Maggie but I think I'll have to wait for this kit........

[Posidon42]

any updates?

[y2kws6]

any updates?

x2 :)

[Kirk@VectorMotorsports]

Most all of the parts are in. Car is at the exhaust fabricators. Turbo looks sweet (polished housing is standard). I will get some picks soon and likely start a new thread so you guys can follow the results.

[jimmytt6]

Cool thx Kirk

[SpeedRacerX]

most all of the parts are in. Car is at the exhaust fabricators. Turbo looks sweet (polished housing is standard). I will get some picks soon and likely start a new thread so you guys can follow the results.

yes!!!

[Posidon42]

+1 keep those updates coming!

[GeorgeInNePa]

Interested...

[That Guy Over There]

The suspense is killing me... :pinch:

My only problem is lack of funds, hah.

@VMS: Assuming sufficient initial interest, will y'all be carrying this kit for at least a couple years or so? I'm trying to wait until a bit closer to the end of my PT warranty before I do any large projects like this...plus the aforementioned lack of funds. :NO:

Keep up the good work, guys!

:thumbsup:

[Devilish34]

Tis a real shame I have 8k cash in hand from snow removal but I have to pay some bills....This winter has killed my slush fund and I refuse to put go fast parts on a credit card.

[MGM GT]

Tis a real shame I have 8k cash in hand from snow removal but I have to pay some bills....This winter has killed my slush fund and I refuse to put go fast parts on a credit card.

You don't like saving 5% and earning points? I put everything on my card and pay it off at the end of the month, gladly taking the points and cash back! Never paid a dime of interest but received thousands back.

[Devilish34]

You don't like saving 5% and earning points? I put everything on my card and pay it off at the end of the month, gladly taking the points and cash back! Never paid a dime of interest but received thousands back.

We do the same with groceries, day care ect ect, I just keep my car out of the mix with the exception of ins and gas I pay for everything with $$$$ jobs.

[Mike P]

Interested...


I can only imagine how fast your 1/4 mile times would be with a cammed + single turbo set up.

Your G8 would be straight up sick fast!!!

:first:



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[MGM GT]

I can only imagine how fast your 1/4 mile times would be with a cammed + single turbo set up.

Your G8 would be straight up sick fast!!!

:first:

...

I can't wait until mine is fast... unfortunately it still feels like a pig with this trans. Always seems to shift at the wrong time and be in too high of a gear. Doesn't seem any better then my old 4L60 except now I have two useless overdrives. At least this car has finally drove home the point that I will never buy another domestic automatic.

[Ktlplxm]

I can't wait until mine is fast... unfortunately it still feels like a pig with this trans. Always seems to shift at the wrong time and be in too high of a gear. Doesn't seem any better then my old 4L60 except now I have two useless overdrives. At least this car has finally drove home the point that I will never buy another domestic automatic.

there has got to be something screwed on your tune then...mine upshifts and downshift perfectly in both modes

[Devilish34]

there has got to be something screwed on your tune then...mine upshifts and downshift perfectly in both modes

Well it's going back to Livernois soon so they should be able to fix any issues

[MGM GT]

there has got to be something screwed on your tune then...mine upshifts and downshift perfectly in both modes

By perfectly you mean it won't go into 4th until over 40MPH, 5th until over 60MPH, and 6th until over 80MPH? I also hate that it upshifts with my foot off the gas...

[Ktlplxm]

It shifts where its programmed to. At light throttle its going to shift early, its supposed to

[edmanet]

Tis a real shame I have 8k cash in hand from snow removal but I have to pay some bills....This winter has killed my slush fund and I refuse to put go fast parts on a credit card.

I hear that......

[MGM GT]

Well it's going back to Livernois soon so they should be able to fix any issues

They are going to make it faster...



It shifts where its programmed to. At light throttle its going to shift early, its supposed to

Hence why I have been using manual mode exclusively... but I have some issues with that as well. Hopefully Dan can get it all sorted out...

[Devilish34]

They are going to make it faster...



cage???

And I hope they put some parts on it that I want. That way when you get bored in 2-3 weeks I can pick'em up on the cheap

:)

[MGM GT]

cage???

And I hope they put some parts on it that I want. That way when you get bored in 2-3 weeks I can pick'em up on the cheap

:)

haha, I'm in discussions. Trying to decide if its worth it. I don't want to lose what I purchased the car for in the first place (back seat) and my car is a perfect sleeper right now. I run at the track exactly the way I drive it to work. No fancy wheels, suspension adjustment, front runners, or slicks required to run my numbers.

My buddy just finished up cages on some imports and a Cobra. He can get me a great price. But on the other hand I can let the car loose at rentals and not have to worry about rules, just have to rein it in at the test-n-tunes and midnight madness series.

[Ktlplxm]

They are going to make it faster...




Hence why I have been using manual mode exclusively... but I have some issues with that as well. Hopefully Dan can get it all sorted out...

just wondering, but why would you want it to hold shifts under light throttle? Sounds like you just need a manual trans lol. All automatics, regardless of make or manufacture, are going to do that under those conditions

[MGM GT]

just wondering, but why would you want it to hold shifts under light throttle? Sounds like you just need a manual trans lol. All automatics, regardless of make or manufacture, are going to do that under those conditions

I think it's easy to fix.. At least for someone that knows their way around the TCM tuning. You know how it responds after you floor it a few times in sport mode? That's what I want in sport mode all the time! To me that's almost perfect but unfortunately it goes back to normal if you stay out of the gas for a couple minutes.

Well I like the M5's... I do prefer a manual but it does a good job.

[Ktlplxm]

I think it's easy to fix.. At least for someone that knows their way around the TCM tuning. You know how it responds after you floor it a few times in sport mode? That's what I want in sport mode all the time! To me that's almost perfect but unfortunately it goes back to normal if you stay out of the gas for a couple minutes.

Well I like the M5's... I do prefer a manual but it does a good job.

Its defintiely the tune then. Mine shifts exactly the same everytime in sport @ WOT whether its the first time or the fiftieth, my regular mode does as well, but a little slower. I never use the manual mode unless I just want to downshift. after driving a GXP with an upgraded clutch, I never want a manual again!!

[y2kws6]

Update??? :)

[kevinm0131]

YES....Update, PLEASE?

Kevin

[Kirk@VectorMotorsports]

Pictures coming on Monday!

Waiting on the intercooler and the correct turbo exhaust flange.

[It's A G8!]

Subscribed

[vic2186]

Wow this is going to be cool

[y2kws6]

:)

[Devilish34]

Pictures coming on Monday!

Waiting on the intercooler and the correct turbo exhaust flange.

It's Christmas err I mean Monday

[vic2186]

yea its monday!!!!

[SpeedRacerX]

I am normally not fond of Mondays but this one.................:brock::thumbsup:

[vic2186]

I don't see pics!!!

[2StepsAhead]

I cried a little...no pics, lol.

[vic2186]

i think hes finalizing the kit..well i hope so

[Posidon42]

it's April, where's the pictures?!?!

[08G8V8]

it's April, where's the pictures?!?!

http://forum.grrrr8.net/showthread.php?16092-Vector-Single-Turbo-Updates