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Chewy
10-15-2008, 05:40 AM
I copied and pasted this from another (http://www.fullsizechevy.com/forums/general-discussion/exterior-tech/76444-wheel-offset-explained.html) site to here as I was looking for a definition. Many people say that BMW wheels will bolt on to our cars but I noticed their offset tends to be 15-20 where as ours is 35-40. Looking at this definition allows me to assume that it would probably work but the wheels would be inset into the car more than the stockers. Being that the bolt pattern from a 2005 530i is the same but has a bit of a different back spacing and offset I believe (without trying) that the BMW wheels WILL fit.


To start things off, I’d like to get a few definitions out of the way.

The offset of a wheel is the distance from its hub mounting surface to the centerline of the wheel and for some ungodly reason is usually measured in mm. the offset can be one of three types.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn189/4gasem/offset.gif

Zero offset - the hub mounting surface is even with the center line of the wheel.

Positive offset - the hub mounting surface is toward the front or wheel side of the wheel.

Negative offset - the hub mounting surface is toward the back or brake side of the wheels center line.

Backspacing of a wheel is the distance from the hub mounting surface to the rear outer most edge of the wheel.

Front spacing is a term not used too often, but is a term I like when discussing a wheels ability to tuck. It is the distance from the hub mounting surface to the front outer most edge of the wheel.

As an example I’m going to use a wheel that is 20x8.5 with a +19mm offset as this seems to be a pretty common size.

The first thing you have to understand is that actual wheel width is about 1 inch wider than stated, so a wheel that is 20x8.5 in actuality measures 9.50 inches wide. That being said the center line of the wheel, +0.00mm offset, is the same as 4.75in backspacing/front spacing.

9.50in/ 2 = 4.75

Now to get the offset from metric to a more understandable unit of measure (inches), we are going to divide it by 25.4. This number is a constant as there are 25.4 mm in an inch.

19mm/25.4 = 0.7480314in

For practical reasons, we’ll round up to 0.75in. Since we already established that our center line is 4.75, and we are dealing with a positive offset, we are going to add 0.75 in to 4.75 to give us a wheel backspacing of 5.50 inches. This in turn will allow us to figure up the wheel front spacing by simply subtracting the wheel backspacing from the overall wheel width giving us 4.00 inches.



To find to total backspacing/ front spacing, we are going to apply the same principle we did to find wheel backspacing/ front spacing.

The new center line of the tire/ wheel combo is 5.05. we found this by dividing 10.1 by 2. Again we are dealing with a positive offset, so you add the 1.25 offset to the center line to get a total backspacing of 6.3 in.

(10.1/ 2) + 1.25 = 6.3 in

This will let us find our total front spacing by subtracting the backspacing from the tire width.

10.1 – 6.3 = 3.8 in

Since the 3.8 inch total front spacing is less than 4, you should have no problems tucking this wheel/ tire combo. You can of course get around the 4 inch limit by rolling or trimming your fenders.

*note – you should take measurements when possible. these numbers are close, but not necessarily exact

99-LS1-SS
10-15-2008, 05:52 AM
I found a good wheel offset calculator that should help people with any questions relating to offset.

http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp

GeorgeInNePa
01-12-2009, 06:00 AM
From another thread.


So, found the details.

OEM HSV sizes are:

Fronts - 19 x 8", 5 x 120, +48

Rears - 19 x 9.5", 5 x 120, +57
http://www.oz8.org/gallery/albums/album20/wheels5.jpg

-Ray-
01-12-2009, 06:04 AM
Thanks to LDV60, I think we know what offsets to use now.

Chooch
01-13-2009, 08:06 AM
So knowing the offsets, and looking at our sister car from the UK Vauxhaul VXR8 which comes with these tires standard , 245/40 R 19 front and 275/35 R 19 rear , if we go with the above offsets, should clear with aftermarket wheels. my car has not been lowered so all being said, should be a straight bolt on with no clearance issues? Just want to be sure as I am getting my summer wish list of SUmmer RIms and tires and CAI funds ready

99-LS1-SS
01-23-2009, 07:38 AM
Will a 5 x 4.75" wheel fit on our 5 x 120mm lug pattern?

GeorgeInNePa
01-23-2009, 11:37 AM
Will a 5 x 4.75" wheel fit on our 5 x 120mm lug pattern?

5x4.75" is 5x120.65mm. It will fit. The 17" Fbody wheels we are using for DRs are 5x4.75". The 18" Vette wheels that Panther 2 is using are 5x4.75" pattern.

99-LS1-SS
01-23-2009, 12:00 PM
Cool! I was looking at a set of Vette wheels.

f117rt
01-24-2009, 09:18 AM
??????
If you can't, they are 2008 Caddy CTS wheels.
Had to add Pontiac logos of course!
Bolted right on, even using stock lug nuts.
Got them from EBAY for $200 (all 4!!)

Saginaw748
01-26-2009, 09:22 AM
I hear you on the ebay wheels, those are tempting. I'm leaning more towards the BMW take-offs, or 'knock-offs'. I don't want to go larger than 19', and there are some hella deals on ebay....

..problem is, I don't want to be the guinea pig!

example - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-19-inch-M5-WHEELS-92-08-3-SERIES-E36-E46-E90-5X120_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1171Q7c66Q3 a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293 Q3a3Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZit em120368618601QQitemZ120368618601QQptZMotorsQ5fCar Q5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Another I kinda like - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/19-wheels-fit-BMW-3-series-M3-330-335-challenge-rims_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1171Q7c66Q3a 2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q 3a4Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZite m250362564383QQitemZ250362564383QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ 5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

It all comes down to the offset. It's just hard to 'imagine' how it will look. I know it would be more inset than ours, but...

99-LS1-SS
01-26-2009, 09:49 AM
Saginaw, the first wheels won't work. The offset is 22.5 which isn't nearly enough. The second set wants you to call for offset.

f117rt
01-26-2009, 05:15 PM
3 Series wheels usually have the same offst as G8.
The 5 Series do not. Also you would need a Hubcentric ring for BMW wheels.

EcoBrick Bob
01-26-2009, 06:27 PM
BMW wheels with the right offsets are a no-brainer... I have used BMW wheels on my GTO with 275's on the rear without having to roll the fenders. JUST HAVE TO GET THE CORRECT OFFSET (48 or higher#)
I am running WIDE 285's on my G8. My BMW hub bore Beyern Multi's are 45 offset. This would be the smallest number (furtherest extending outward) wheel offset that would take the 285 without rubbing the fender or without fender rolling.NOTE: Not All Tires are the same width in the same metric size designation. You need to check the specific specs on what you are considering buying to make sure you get what you want and what will actually fit. Hubrings are essential in making the package work.

Saginaw748
01-27-2009, 07:05 AM
Excellent answers, precisely the information I was looking for.

Thank you gentlemen.

PantherGTBlack
02-23-2009, 12:36 AM
BMW wheels with the right offsets are a no-brainer... I have used BMW wheels on my GTO with 275's on the rear without having to roll the fenders. JUST HAVE TO GET THE CORRECT OFFSET (48 or higher#)
I am running WIDE 285's on my G8. My BMW hub bore Beyern Multi's are 45 offset. This would be the smallest number (furtherest extending outward) wheel offset that would take the 285 without rubbing the fender or without fender rolling.NOTE: Not All Tires are the same width in the same metric size designation. You need to check the specific specs on what you are considering buying to make sure you get what you want and what will actually fit. Hubrings are essential in making the package work.

Rob, what particular tire are you running where you can fit 285s with a 45 offset? Thanks in advance.

charliecar
06-15-2009, 12:43 PM
please help here guys. i bought a set of 4, factory G8 19s, i am planning to have 2 of the wheels widened to 10 inch wheels, the company said they would need a set of cores to cut 2 inches out of, so that is y i bought a set of 4. question is, if i read and understang the offset info, ill should have no problem putting the 10inch wheels in back, since the wheel will still mount as original, just gets wider to the inside, i wouldnt know what offset it wil become, but the outside of tire wont change, just the inside so im guessing the offest will become much bigger, any ideas here, will this work? i just want a stock looking wheel, but that fat fat from behind look!

thanks
charlie

99-LS1-SS
12-15-2009, 01:31 PM
Bump for a good wheel offset calculator added to the second post.

RapidG8GXP
12-15-2009, 01:39 PM
Great thread. Thanks for posting.

G8GTlawride
05-12-2010, 08:56 AM
Where are the stock wheels offset/backspace listed? (the 19's in particular)

SRG963
05-12-2010, 09:10 AM
Where are the stock wheels offset/backspace listed? (the 19's in particular)

On the back of the wheel.

OLD_GOAT
09-11-2010, 09:13 PM
5x4.75" is 5x120.65mm. It will fit. The 17" Fbody wheels we are using for DRs are 5x4.75". The 18" Vette wheels that Panther 2 is using are 5x4.75" pattern.

First things first. I am wanting a really good street/strip tire like the Nitto 555 I used to run on my GTO. I am wanting tires that really hook, but are safe to drive in the rain. The options for my 245/40/19 just aren't there. When I go to wheel web sites, they always ask what kind of car I have, and when I enter 2009 Pontiac G8 GXP it defaults to 19" wheels. Simply put, is there any car that uses an 18" wheel that would fit on my car, in other words..........for example a 2006 GTO (thinking Holden brother) or even a 2008 G8 that I could enter, so the computer would search an 18" wheel, and not automatically default to a 19" wheel.

Thanks.

GeorgeInNePa
09-12-2010, 12:03 AM
First things first. I am wanting a really good street/strip tire like the Nitto 555 I used to run on my GTO. I am wanting tires that really hook, but are safe to drive in the rain. The options for my 245/40/19 just aren't there. When I go to wheel web sites, they always ask what kind of car I have, and when I enter 2009 Pontiac G8 it defaults to 19" wheels. Simply put, is there any car that uses an 18" wheel that would fit on my car, in other words..........for example a 2006 GTO (thinking Holden brother) or even a 2008 G8 that I could enter, so the computer would search an 18" wheel, and not automatically default to a 19" wheel.

Thanks.

2008 and 2009 G8GT should default to 18" wheels. That is the standard size. 19s were optional on both years.

If you enter G8 GXP, most sites will default to 19s, because of the front Brembos. In fact, most sites have a horrible selection of wheels for the GXP because of that.

If you just want 2 for the back, search for G8GT wheels. The rear brakes are the same, GT or GXP.

If you want GXP wheels for all four corners, you are going to have to search real hard.

1 GR8 G8
12-31-2010, 09:00 AM
Could I fit an 18x9.5 up front with a 35mm offset and 265/xx tires?