how to build max torque and still be a DD?

[sstolen]

i have been kicking around the idea of doinga cam swap and got to thinking after looking at the new FAST LSXRT intake for our TBSS.

what if or has anyone done a TSP Torquer cam and LSXRT intake on our cars and maybe shorty headers?

i dont know if thats a great recipe for big torque or not but thought i would start the convo this way.

ideas, suggestions?

starting with stock what mods should follow?

[GRRRR8]

I have hit 470HP/427TQ and am sure we will hit close to 500/435. Torque is great, BUT if you cant put it to the ground, all you are really doing is stressing driveline components..........and back tires. :)

[sstolen]

i have no intention of racing it at all, just want a litte more kick int he pants and dont care to rev it to the moon.

my last car had a CheaTR cam in it and i loved it since it still sounded stock, drove stock until you floored it and got great mpg.

if it gets a little sidewas :) im ok with that :)

i just dont want to have something that shakes the ground smells like 1970 and is no longer a family car DD

as for sound, its too quiet for me now but i dont want it to be much louder than my TBSS and its still got its stock exhaust but a nice low rumble

[norm8332]

Maggie all the way.

[Robert@KBXPerformance]

Twin Turbos... On mild boost (8.5psi) 570rwtq at peak (4400rpm's). Over 450rwtq by 3500 rpm's. Who needs a cam?!?!?? :devil: Ok, I will take one of those too. :)

[Crazy Paul]

i have no intention of racing it at all, just want a litte more kick int he pants and dont care to rev it to the moon.
my last car had a CheaTR cam in it and i loved it since it still sounded stock, drove stock until you floored it and got great mpg.
if it gets a little sidewas :) im ok with that :)
i just dont want to have something that shakes the ground smells like 1970 and is no longer a family car DD
as for sound, its too quiet for me now but i dont want it to be much louder than my TBSS and its still got its stock exhaust but a nice low rumble

If you dont care about chasing a hero hp number above 5000rpm then a TSP
25-220R 220/220 .581/.581 XER will surprise you with its great torque and general manners.
Whilst it's not specifically meant for L92 headed engines they are fairly popular down under for daily driven 6.0 L76 and L98.

Here's a dyno sim which illustrates the 220 having the edge over a 232 until 5000rpm. I dont think the hp/tq scales are correct but you'll get the general idea.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/L76/Dyno/220232115tunnel.jpg

[sstolen]

thats the kind of thing im looking for, some data like that, im trying to think of useable power under the curve.

without spending a million bucks or making it too powerful and undriveable like TT or maggie. this gets driven in the snow and ice of KS daily so i have to take all that into consideration also, plus our crappy gas we have here, no 93 anywhere, and the 91 we have is a minimum 10% ethanol and everything smells like corn being this close to NEB.

that kind of cam that makes good power in the normal driving rpm range vs the peak #s at 6500ish.

thats why i liked the truck version of the LSX R intake the LSXRT, it gives better power where we use it 90% of the time

[GeorgeInNePa]

Twin Turbos... On mild boost (8.5psi) 570rwtq at peak (4400rpm's). Over 450rwtq by 3500 rpm's. Who needs a cam?!?!?? :devil: Ok, I will take one of those too. :)

I wish someone would make G8 specific tubes for the G8 so I don't need to learn how to TIG weld...

I can make hoses and source the turbos and other parts myself, but trick aluminum work is tougher.

;)

Hint...

[GeorgeInNePa]

If you dont care about chasing a hero hp number above 5000rpm then a TSP
25-220R 220/220 .581/.581 XER will surprise you with its great torque and general manners.
Whilst it's not specifically meant for L92 headed engines they are fairly popular down under for daily driven 6.0 L76 and L98.

Here's a dyno sim which illustrates the 220 having the edge over a 232 until 5000rpm. I dont think the hp/tq scales are correct but you'll get the general idea.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/L76/Dyno/220232115tunnel.jpg

I've been reading a lot on ls1.com.au and Paul is right, there are a lot of guys saying the 220/220 is a great street cam.

[Devilish34]

thats the kind of thing im looking for, some data like that, im trying to think of useable power under the curve.

without spending a million bucks or making it too powerful and undriveable like TT or maggie. this gets driven in the snow and ice of KS daily so i have to take all that into consideration also, plus our crappy gas we have here, no 93 anywhere, and the 91 we have is a minimum 10% ethanol and everything smells like corn being this close to NEB.

that kind of cam that makes good power in the normal driving rpm range vs the peak #s at 6500ish.

thats why i liked the truck version of the LSX R intake the LSXRT, it gives better power where we use it 90% of the time

LSR cam 223/231 .610/.617 114+2

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h171/devilish34/DynoSeptember2009.jpg

[norm8332]

Look where the torque starts on this with a maggie. This is an old dyno of my car. But to each his own.:)

http://forum.grrrr8.net/images/garage/attach/garage_vehicle-22-12430211201.jpg

[sstolen]

i am in love with maggies, no denying that, just wondering if its too much power and too much money

just exploring other alternatives and kicking ideas around right now before i spend the money.

my wife drives this car more than i do so i have to make sure its still driveable for her :)

[Devilish34]

i am in love with maggies, no denying that, just wondering if its too much power and too much money

just exploring other alternatives and kicking ideas around right now before i spend the money.

my wife drives this car more than i do so i have to make sure its still driveable for her :)

Are you feeling ill???

[GeorgeInNePa]

Too much power????

No Such Thing...

[Robert@KBXPerformance]

i am in love with maggies, no denying that, just wondering if its too much power and too much money

just exploring other alternatives and kicking ideas around right now before i spend the money.

my wife drives this car more than i do so i have to make sure its still driveable for her :)



Honestly if you want a fairly powerful car that still gets great driveability with the least BS to mess with then a Maggie is the way to go. Doing a cam is an option too but you also have to do other types of upgrades to get the most benefit from it. Maggie would be the most straightforward, VERY driveable, and easiest to install. If you think it has too much power then just run a larger supercharger pulley or have some spark timing taken out in the tune. Easier and quicker to uninstall too when the time comes to sell the car in the future too.

[99-LS1-SS]

Are you feeling ill???


Too much power????

No Such Thing...

Both of these!

[sstolen]

500 to the tires in snow is too much power and 500 to the wheels with my wife driving in any weather might be too much. she is an angry aggressive driver with major rage issues lol when it comes to slow or bad drivers so i could just see her punching it all pissed and not ready and spinning it around a tree or something... dont need that.

[sstolen]

i guess on the other hand i could make it so loud and undriveable that she just trades me vehicles and takes the TBSS and gives me the G8...that chances are comes with a no ass agreement and a place on the couch...hmmm choices

[GeorgeInNePa]

i guess on the other hand i could make it so loud and undriveable that she just trades me vehicles and takes the TBSS and gives me the G8...that chances are comes with a no ass agreement and a place on the couch...hmmm choices

Priorities my good man, priorities...

How many honest 11second cars are in your area?

Remember, the internet is for porn... Do you really need sex?

;)

[youngrushhour]

Get a stall to throw you into the seat.

[fiveoh]

Priorities my good man, priorities...

How many honest 11second cars are in your area?

Remember, the internet is for porn... Do you really need sex?

;)

I hope I never reach this point. :)

[sstolen]

you guys are funny, as any married man knows, what little sex we get, we def dont want to piss away lol, the internet gets enough use as it is lol.

as for cars in the area...there are quite a few quick (11-12sec) cars and a few fast ones...

but thats what a 3rd car is for and im pulling for a c6 vette :) something to be silly fast and fun on the weekends, the TBSS and the G8 i just want to be a lil faster than they are 12-13sec is fine for a DD. :)

i just want to be able to pull away for when the other g8s or similar try to flex a little or the pesky mustangs that are everywhere or the rare jeep gc srt8s in town :) having a quick suv shocks a lot of people :) and being able to smack down an m3 or m5 is awesome in my book i dont need the fastest thing out there...cause there is always gonna be someone faster bigger stronger...always

[Devilish34]

you guys are funny, as any married man knows, what little sex we get, we def dont want to piss away lol, the internet gets enough use as it is lol.

as for cars in the area...there are quite a few quick (11-12sec) cars and a few fast ones...

but thats what a 3rd car is for and im pulling for a c6 vette :) something to be silly fast and fun on the weekends, the TBSS and the G8 i just want to be a lil faster than they are 12-13sec is fine for a DD. :)

i just want to be able to pull away for when the other g8s or similar try to flex a little or the pesky mustangs that are everywhere or the rare jeep gc srt8s in town :) having a quick suv shocks a lot of people :) and being able to smack down an m3 or m5 is awesome in my book i dont need the fastest thing out there...cause there is always gonna be someone faster bigger stronger...always

223/231 .610/.617 114+2 that cam, vararam and Kooks 1 3/4LTs I was running 12.2s or just put a 1900 with the stock pulley.

[SpeedRacerX]

you guys are funny, as any married man knows, what little sex we get, we def dont want to piss away lol, the internet gets enough use as it is lol.

as for cars in the area...there are quite a few quick (11-12sec) cars and a few fast ones...

but thats what a 3rd car is for and im pulling for a c6 vette :) something to be silly fast and fun on the weekends, the TBSS and the G8 i just want to be a lil faster than they are 12-13sec is fine for a DD. :)

i just want to be able to pull away for when the other g8s or similar try to flex a little or the pesky mustangs that are everywhere or the rare jeep gc srt8s in town :) having a quick suv shocks a lot of people :) and being able to smack down an m3 or m5 is awesome in my book i dont need the fastest thing out there...cause there is always gonna be someone faster bigger stronger...always

12-13 is a big range. Do you want consistent & predictable low 13's, high 12's, mid 12's, or low 12's????

[sstolen]

out here stock times are a little slow, dont know if its, crap gas, poor track, being at 1300 ft asl, or bad are, avg DA is about 3500-5000ft. but stock TBSS's are running 14.5's and i think the stock g8s are about .5 sec slower around here than most peoples. not many stock ones out here and def not many at the track so not 100% what they are running but if i can get about .5-.75 quicker that would be awesome.

[youngrushhour]

out here stock times are a little slow, dont know if its, crap gas, poor track, being at 1300 ft asl, or bad are, avg DA is about 3500-5000ft. but stock TBSS's are running 14.5's and i think the stock g8s are about .5 sec slower around here than most peoples. not many stock ones out here and def not many at the track so not 100% what they are running but if i can get about .5-.75 quicker that would be awesome.

You should definitely gain that by doing a stall converter, headers, CAI and a tune.

A stall alone is going to take half a second off the time.

There is no better mod for the money that you can do for an automatic than a stall.

[sstolen]

im not a big fan of stalls

[youngrushhour]

im not a big fan of stalls

For what reason? Just curious. With my stalled GTO (a 3200 triple disc Circle D), it was a great daily driver. And that's with a big cam, full exhaust, etc.

Besides the fact that I feel that they help the trans out with hard launches as well.

[sstolen]

i dont like the way they make an ls sound, like you are slipping the clutch to 5000 just to get going froma stop light, could care less about hard launches cause ill never be taking it to the track, the reduction in mileage, and most importantly the unexpected flash.

ive known a few people out here in the land of the worst drivers known to man, and if you dont believe me, come visit wichita...bar none, worst drivers in the US. ive traveled a lot and they are BAD. but having to floor it to get out of the way of an idiot and it flashes and gets sideways is not always a good thing in an emergency and especially when its unexpected.

had one buddy in a c5 have his 3500 flash on a steep onramp once...over the side he went.

and another had hers flash while trying to pass someone in the rain, did not floor it mind you, she is one of the best drivers i know and has had the car for years so it wasnt new to her. but being a 10 sec D1sc car it flashed she spun and her and the baby slid on the highway, lost control, and ended up under the bed of an 18 wheeler with the roll cage being the only thing that saved them. everyone was fine.

so not a fan of stalls, too much nonsense for a DD, great at the track though

and i had a 3200 in my h/c/i/e 97 30th SS, it was fun for what it was but def lost its DD appeal after a while.

[todds87ss]

of the aforementioned choices, only 1 will provide power and not over power in the snow. The Maggie is your only choice, unless you just want to sound faster. Corsa might be in your future.
There are cam choices that will provide close to what you seek (cheatr, etc...), but you don't sound sold on the idea. The TC will be problematic in bad weather. Looks to me like you should decide the end goal, then how much you want to spend, then ask for advice.

[sstolen]

lol when i started this whole topic the only thing i was wondering is if anyone had tried the new lsxr intake and if anyone had tried the lsxrt intake, if it fits, if it makes better power...kinda a comparison thread, never really thought it would go here lol

i never thought of my own goals when i started the thread, just wanted to start a what if kinda scientific experiment thread.

lots of good info from everyone

[todds87ss]

Thanks for getting us back on track, lol!!!