everybodys torque management settings??

[vic2186]

mine is at %50...as per charlie im lower to 20 for sport 0 for manual and 40 for drive..

and yours..

[GeorgeInNePa]

0% on the upshifts. I'm not sure how much on downshifts, but it's not zero.

[bobyoung]

mine is at %50...as per charlie im lower to 20 for sport 0 for manual and 40 for drive..

and yours..

How's it drive with those numbers? Are those for both upshift and downshift?

[wreckwriter]

Off.

[johnh]

90% to 50% depending on RPM

[GT-610]

'bout 50% in sport,lil less in manual and D is almost stock exept when im wot or close to it because I hate harsh shifts when I'm just putzing along.

[NickFormicola]

I'm assuming that stock is 100%?

[GeorgeInNePa]

Off.


This!

Are you guys at Zero for downshifts too?

We tried that and it shifted violently, so bad that I was worried about breaking something. I'm talking about cruising at 50mph and then floor the throttle. The downshift would break the tires loose and it felt like there was a cable attached to the car that was tied to a rocket. Just violent and disconcerting.

[majesticix]

20% for 1-2 shift, 30% for 2-3 shift, 40% for remaining.

[bobyoung]

Are you guys at Zero for downshifts too?
The downshift would break the tires loose and it felt like there was a cable attached to the car that was tied to a rocket. Just violent and disconcerting.

Sounds like fun to me.:nah:

[jaxredg8]

Im with Wreck and MGM GT. Off makes for some spin but the fun factor is now at 110%!!

[wreckwriter]

Are you guys at Zero for downshifts too?

We tried that and it shifted violently, so bad that I was worried about breaking something. I'm talking about cruising at 50mph and then floor the throttle. The downshift would break the tires loose and it felt like there was a cable attached to the car that was tied to a rocket. Just violent and disconcerting.

Yea, mine is off for downshifts too. It will go pretty good in the scenario you describe :) Biggest issue I had was on downshifts at the end of the quarter, under closed throttle. That was rough at first but I finally got it tuned out.

[WARLOCK]

Off on the ups

[GeorgeInNePa]

It honestly felt bad with 0 on the downshifts.

[G8GT594]

Yea, mine is off for downshifts too.

Same, off on the up and down.

[ArkGL01]

I turned mine off and get a 2nd scratch and a 3rd sometimes. It is great!

[Chewy]

75% in D, 35% in S and M.

D will still break the tires loose from 1-2 and a slight chirp from 2-3.

Chris

[99-LS1-SS]

Mine don't exist. :p

[Patrick G]

Zero torque management up or down, just like the cars used to be before the mfrs figured out they could cut back our power to make their warranties easier to extend.

[SRG963]

I was told that TM is a global setting. Any change affects all modes and isn't independently adjustable by driving mode.

To change the feel of the shift, the line pressure is adjusted, but not TM.

Any truth to this?


Oh, BTW, I'm anywhere from 25% to 100% off on upshifts depending on what I want to do with my car :)

[Chewy]

I was told that TM is a global setting. Any change affects all modes and isn't independently adjustable by driving mode.

To change the feel of the shift, the line pressure is adjusted, but not TM.

Any truth to this?


For SC perhaps but Vector can tune for each mode.

Chris

[SRG963]

For SC perhaps but Vector can tune for each mode.

Chris

I was told no one could do this, that it's not possible to separate the TM by drive mode. I'm not throwing anyone under the bus, but I was told this by a very reputable tuner, not SC.

[majesticix]

HPTuners had an update which allowed New Era to modify TM for shift points from what I could gather from Mike. I believe it is the same for all modes though. Before I just had it turned off completely. Doesn't answer your question though, does it :)

[Chewy]

I was told no one could do this, that it's not possible to separate the TM by drive mode. I'm not throwing anyone under the bus, but I was told this by a very reputable tuner, not SC.

I had Kirk set mine at 75% and 35% so I'm pretty sure he can. He touted that ability. The difference between D and S is VERY noticeable.

Chris

[ashaal]

Is it possible to get a definitive answer to this maybe from some of the tuner sponsers...I have been curious about this for a while and depending on the answer it might finally knock me off the fence and onto a cortex or custom/HP Tuner setup...

I would love to have a stock "style" tranny tune for drive, and a "balls to wall" tune in sport/manual mode...

[Chewy]

Is it possible to get a definitive answer to this maybe from some of the tuner sponsers...I have been curious about this for a while and depending on the answer it might finally knock me off the fence and onto a cortex or custom/HP Tuner setup...

I would love to have a stock "style" tranny tune for drive, and a "balls to wall" tune in sport/manual mode...

This is why I went with Vector. As my DD I didn't want the herky jerky shifting associated with removing TQM completely, plus I thought it would save the transmission to not remove it completely. At the time Vector was the only one I saw that offered such a plan. Different TQM in the modes.:)

Chris

[ashaal]

Did you drive to their shop or go with the power flash cables/remote tune....

[Patrick G]

Don't forget that increasing line pressure above stock will make shifts feel much harsher. Reducing torque management is not the only thing that does this. Be careful adjusting line pressure as too much is as dangerous as too little.

[Chewy]

Did you drive to their shop or go with the power flash cables/remote tune....

Remote tune but not the power flash as they didn't have that available when I got mine.

Chris

[ashaal]

Don't forget that increasing line pressure above stock will make shifts feel much harsher. Reducing torque management is not the only thing that does this. Be careful adjusting line pressure as too much is as dangerous as too little.

NEWB question...can someone explain the difference between adjusting torque management and line pressure

Thanks

[Patrick G]

NEWB question...can someone explain the difference between adjusting torque management and line pressure

ThanksTorque management is the computer's way of reducing engine power to soften shifts, reduce wheel spin, or reduce detonation. The ECM will close the throttle and/or reduce timing between shifts so the motor makes less power between shifts, which smooths out the shock from one shift to the next.

Transmission line pressure can be increased which will also affect how hard the shifts feel, but purely from a hydraulic standpoint. Think of higher line pressure like putting in a shift kit.

If you keep transmission line pressure stock, but eliminate torque management, your shifts will still be fairly soft at low throttle positions, but more aggressive/firmer at WOT.

Ideally, you want stock line pressure at cruising/low throttle positions and a small increase in line pressure at higher load conditions. Coupled with reduced or eliminated TM, this will give smooth shifts for daily driving and wicked shifts for racing. This is what I did for mine.

[wreckwriter]

Not adjustable based on mode, ie drive, sport, etc. but adjustable for upshift, downshift etc. Top right is enable/disable, below that is the percentage stuff.

[SRG963]

Not adjustable based on mode, ie drive, sport, etc. but adjustable for upshift, downshift etc. Top right is enable/disable, below that is the percentage stuff.

Thanks Tom. Wonder if EFI has the same level of adjustment.

[wreckwriter]

Thanks Tom. Wonder if EFI has the same level of adjustment.

Don't know about EFI Live or LS2 Edit. This is from HPTuners.

[G8JOE]

OK, now that I am totally confused, I am getting the SC Cortex. I want sporty shifts, not bone jarring when in cruise mode. In race mode I would like a 1-2 chirp and a sporty 2-3, then not mellow but not stock type shifts thereafter. I want to keep my trans and not scatter it all over the highway in either case. What settings should I look for or change. I will be using the SC Cortex in 87 octane(40 cents a gallon for 7 hp is not worth it for me anymore, one of the buying points was all this hp on only 87, My Regal GS has a worked pcm and has to use 93, not 92 or 91 has to be 93 or big KR)

[SRG963]

OK, now that I am totally confused, I am getting the SC Cortex. I want sporty shifts, not bone jarring when in cruise mode. In race mode I would like a 1-2 chirp and a sporty 2-3, then not mellow but not stock type shifts thereafter. I want to keep my trans and not scatter it all over the highway in either case. What settings should I look for or change. I will be using the SC Cortex in 87 octane(40 cents a gallon for 7 hp is not worth it for me anymore, one of the buying points was all this hp on only 87, My Regal GS has a worked pcm and has to use 93, not 92 or 91 has to be 93 or big KR)

Threadjack

I get better MPG on 93, so running higher octane pays for itself IMO.

Once you get the Cortex, select the Advanved tune, choose 87 octane, select the Shift Torque and set it to 25%, and continue to follow the instructions on the Cortex.

[ashaal]

So if I am understanding everything...

It appears that neither HP Tuners nor the Cortex allows for TM adjustments based on driving mode, but there still may be some hope for other tuning programs (EFI Live or LS2 Edit).

What programs do Vector or Livernois use to tune G8s...is it possible for them to chime in here?

[GTPprix]

Don't know about EFI Live or LS2 Edit. This is from HPTuners.

Nothing does, its not in the Operating System. You can of course Adjust shift quality via other tables like line pressure, shift time ect though.

On topic I run 40% in first and 50% in the rest of the gears, and I still get a heck of a 1-2 upshift :D

[shane]

i have came a long way with the 6l80E's with messing with the tm tables..

my car ranges from 10% removed to 90% removed depending on engine speed and torque..

by logging many wot runs from a stop my car logs faster shift times with a little bit of timing pull

[SRG963]

I would want to lower even more how hard it shifts, WHAT VARIABLE WOULD I ADJUST? Thanks for your time.

Set the shift torque to the stock value (0%) and try it out. It takes a day or two for your car to fully adjust to the new tune.

[c5racr1]

my right foot is my tm!

[Devilish34]

Depends on the time of the month. Sometimes it's 110% others it's -25%.

I never seem to get the full -110% :(

[Kaltech Tuning]

So if I am understanding everything...

It appears that neither HP Tuners nor the Cortex allows for TM adjustments based on driving mode, but there still may be some hope for other tuning programs (EFI Live or LS2 Edit).

What programs do Vector or Livernois use to tune G8s...is it possible for them to chime in here?

I think the problem here is semantics. It's not actually torque management that's making the difference in driving modes. The transmission tuning of line pressures and shift times is how you can differentiate between drive mode and sport mode and that's what makes the shift feel harder and quicker. You can firm and quicken up the shifts but still have torque management fully active.

[ashaal]

I think the problem here is semantics. It's not actually torque management that's making the difference in driving modes. The transmission tuning of line pressures and shift times is how you can differentiate between drive mode and sport mode and that's what makes the shift feel harder and quicker. You can firm and quicken up the shifts but still have torque management fully active.

Sweet, so it is possible to setup a transmission tune that shifts "stock-like" in drive mode, but harder and faster in sport or manual mode (by adjusting shift times and line pressure and NOT torque management). Correct?

[bobyoung]

Sweet, so it is possible to setup a transmission tune that shifts "stock-like" in drive mode, but harder and faster in sport or manual mode (by adjusting shift times and line pressure and NOT torque management). Correct?

My tune does that now.

[PantherGT]

I can't wait to get my HPT. I'm tired of that throttle lag! Good info here! I've been thinking probably 20%, 50% first and see how it feels. I'm hoping to figure out how to make it different in drive and sport. Sounds like we may have figured it out. ^^^ So it's just the line pressure and shift RPM and don't mess with TM in the shifts?

[TrUcKeR]

Not adjustable based on mode, ie drive, sport, etc. .

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I'm HP Tuners tuned, and yes they are very much different between modes.

When I'm in Normal mode, it shifts the same no matter what %, although I do believe WOT is a little tweaked.

Sport mode? Doesn't matter if I am driving like a granny or foot-mashed-WOT, the shifts are hard and fast. I drive normal in Normal, and I play in Sport.

I don't even bother with Manual mode. Don't need to. The car shifts faster on it's own in Sport than I could in Manual.

[SRG963]

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I'm HP Tuners tuned, and yes they are very much different between modes.

When I'm in Normal mode, it shifts the same no matter what %, although I do believe WOT is a little tweaked.

Sport mode? Doesn't matter if I am driving like a granny or foot-mashed-WOT, the shifts are hard and fast. I drive normal in Normal, and I play in Sport.

I don't even bother with Manual mode. Don't need to. The car shifts faster on it's own in Sport than I could in Manual.

I love my manual mode! She shifts very quick, like I'm pressing a button :)

and just to clarify.....

Torque management is a global command. As stated above, you can change line pressure and some other things to have the "feel" of the shift different between modes.

[GTPprix]

^ Yup its global.

[zepcom]

Very good info; and thanks to all who contributed on this thread!!

I always wondered if it was global or not. Plethora of great info on this board!!


:woohoo:

[g8_795]

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I'm HP Tuners tuned, and yes they are very much different between modes.

When I'm in Normal mode, it shifts the same no matter what %, although I do believe WOT is a little tweaked.

Sport mode? Doesn't matter if I am driving like a granny or foot-mashed-WOT, the shifts are hard and fast. I drive normal in Normal, and I play in Sport.

I don't even bother with Manual mode. Don't need to. The car shifts faster on it's own in Sport than I could in Manual.

Tom is talking about TQ management in the different modes. I have the latest beta and you can't change the percentage of TQ management between modes. Maybe in the future, but just not now so your tuner may be buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuullshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit'ing you if he said he did this if he is using HP Tuners. ;-)

BTW. I tried disabling TQ management for the skip down shifts yesterday for a test. I quickly went back to TQ management in this mode. It felt like I was going to rip the transmission out of the car.

[g8_795]

^ Yup its global.


Torque management is a global command.

Just to clarify. You can set TQ management differently for the different kinds of shift all separately: down shift, up shift, skip shift, etc..

[Muff Daddy]

I dont see why you guys care if tq management is global or not. The bottom line is the trans can be tuned to behave differently in each mode (drive,sport,manual). I tuned truckers g8 and a few others. For those asking- Any competent tuner can leave your regular drive settings stock or close to it for everyday driving and then make sport mode a completely different misbehaving animal. As to the tm on the downshift- I tried it off and found it to be dangerous at high speeds so I turned it back on. The rest of the tm is deleted in every tune I do.

[PantherGT]

What settings did you tamper with to get this? I don't have my HPT yet so I'm trying to get it figured out prior.

[Kaltech Tuning]

Sweet, so it is possible to setup a transmission tune that shifts "stock-like" in drive mode, but harder and faster in sport or manual mode (by adjusting shift times and line pressure and NOT torque management). Correct?

Yep, that's how I tune. Drive mode is pretty stock (touched up just a little) then sport and manual rip.

[TrUcKeR]

Well, I doubt Muff is going to share his adjustments publicly. I would PM him if I were you. ;)

And just to digress a tad on the differences between normal/sport with the tune Muff did...

The car drives so close to stock in normal mode, that you don't notice anything all the way through the throttle. From 1% to WOT, it feels like it should. Shifts are smooth and even, and kick-downs are just like stock.

But when I slap it over to sport, this calm, cool librarian turns into the nastiest, freakiest hooker on the street. No matter from 1% to WOT, shifts are quick and firm, to the point that I went from WOT 1-2 shifts not even really chirping, to leaving 10' wavy blackies and chirping 2-3. Kickdown is a motherf*cker, too. I know because Sport + ESC off = me facing the wrong direction on a right turn the day after I got back to the car after the tune was loaded. Scared the crap out of me. I have since learned to watch the 2-1 kick-downs. ;)

The difference between the two modes is so night & day, that I don't even drive it in Sport unless I'm playing. He built the tune solely for this purpose. And let me tell you that this was brought up on the other board, and the naysayers were quickly shot down when Muff explained it.

And there really is no need to use Manual mode in a drag-race with Muff's tune. You can't possibly shift the car manually faster or better than what the tune does for you.

[PantherGT]

Wish there was a way to tune in throttle blipped downshifts. hehe That would be the best thing that ever happened to me.