WOW! Pace has the 2-Way Remotes for our G8's!

[SRG963]

Just stumbled across this http://paceperformance.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=250633

Anyone have one installed? Comments? Install procedure? Do I need the dealer to install?

I've been waiting for this item for a year and a half now, lol

Thanks!

[dukeofpg]

Just a note to let you know that I bought my G8 with this option, dealer installed. While this was installed the car was in for service every week. I was constantly getting check engine codes and the TPMS was always sending an alert. The remote would not unlock or start the vehicle unless I was within 10 feet of the car. That is correct TEN feet. After 5 visits and much frustration, I suggested they remove it and put it back to stock. All is good now and I can sit on the can and start my car in the garage!!

I really enjoyed having the remote info. If it were to function as advertised, $120. is a fantastic deal. I paid about $300.

This was back in March of 09. I am not aware if problems have been resolved, so check it out before you buy. If Pace says it is good, then they will take care of you. I trust them as a premier GM dealer and performance parts outlet.

[polo]

All is good now and I can sit on the can and start my car in the garage!!


Now that's something I've never tried. Just don't drop your key in there... it's not cheap. :)

[SRG963]

Just a note to let you know that I bought my G8 with this option, dealer installed. While this was installed the car was in for service every week. I was constantly getting check engine codes and the TPMS was always sending an alert. The remote would not unlock or start the vehicle unless I was within 10 feet of the car. That is correct TEN feet. After 5 visits and much frustration, I suggested they remove it and put it back to stock. All is good now and I can sit on the can and start my car in the garage!!

I really enjoyed having the remote info. If it were to function as advertised, $120. is a fantastic deal. I paid about $300.

This was back in March of 09. I am not aware if problems have been resolved, so check it out before you buy. If Pace says it is good, then they will take care of you. I trust them as a premier GM dealer and performance parts outlet.

Thanks for the heads up. I'll be sticking with what I have for now.

[rez0nance]

I have no idea what happened to Duke's install - he must have had some horrible tech mess something up - but I've had the 2-way remote since it first came out, which was back when I first got my car in September of 08, and I have NEVER had any problems with it. No complaints at all, and it's a pretty cool little gadget.

I had my dealer install mine.

[Chewy]

What's your distance like? I've heard it was supposed to be better than stock.

[rez0nance]

What's your distance like? I've heard it was supposed to be better than stock.

It's definitely better. I get a range of, at the very least least, 200 feet or so, though it obviously depends on how many other parked cars or other obstacles are in the way. They install a brand new, about 12" long antenna assembly that's supposed to be attached to your passenger-side C-pillar. It's pretty unnoticeable.

Mine had issues staying attached to the C-pillar with the double-sided tape, so they ended up taping it to the rear glass next to the C-pillar instead. When I got my tints, the installer re-attached it a bit farther from the C-pillar (since you couldn't see it with the 20% tints), and I believe the range got even better.

[J Wikoff]

The problem is our key is attached to a giant fob. Add another fob to the mix and I'd feel lopsided from the extra pocket bulge. Too much damn key.

[Mlozano]

The problem is our key is attached to a giant fob. Add another fob to the mix and I'd feel lopsided from the extra pocket bulge. Too much damn key.


My thoughts exactly, it's just to many remotes going on, i looked into this way back when, didn't like the idea of two bulges.

[WickedMom]

I'd feel lopsided from the extra pocket bulge.



i looked into this way back when, didn't like the idea of two bulges.

sounds like a girls dream come true!

[Mlozano]

sounds like a girls dream come true!

lmao

[bubblyjock]

sounds like a girls dream come true!

Jeez you would say that, and no its not a bad thing!:woohoo:

[Night Train]

How does this differ from ours (except for the extended distance and "diagnostic" features)? Can someone move the car if they break in? Does it allow you to turn the climate control to a different temperature than the preset 73 degress?

[SLVRG8GT]

sounds like a girls dream come true!

:facepalm:

[Night Train]

I purchased the two way remote. It has a great distance. I can start my car up from at least 200 feet away with a clear view.

However, I am having this problem with my TPMS. It's going nuts. It keeps saying normal tire, then low tire and the "dinging". The tires are at the correc pressure.The dealer can't seem to figure it out. They think that it may have to do with the recall that was done. So, supposedly there was a query put into GM about fixing the problem. I don't have much confidence in them fixing this. If they dont, I am going to ask for a full refund.

[Mlozano]

I purchased the two way remote. It has a great distance. I can start my car up from at least 200 feet away with a clear view.

However, I am having this problem with my TPMS. It's going nuts. It keeps saying normal tire, then low tire and the "dinging". The tires are at the correc pressure.The dealer can't seem to figure it out. They think that it may have to do with the recall that was done. So, supposedly there was a query put into GM about fixing the problem. I don't have much confidence in them fixing this. If they dont, I am going to ask for a full refund.


Full refund for what? the car?

[R.Penguin]

The problem is our key is attached to a giant fob. Add another fob to the mix and I'd feel lopsided from the extra pocket bulge. Too much damn key.
Ease off on the Viagra! :p

[Night Train]

Full refund for what? the car?


Yeah, I was hoping that they would let me bring the car back if the remote doesn't work. :nah:

[rez0nance]

Yeah, I was hoping that they would let me bring the car back if the remote doesn't work. :nah:

The remote has nothing to do with your TPMS system, other than reading from it. The problem you described is almost surely a TPMS issue.

[who?me?]

this would be cool if somone made some kind of holder just for the key part. If I could take the key out of the FOB and maybe put it in some kind of holder that turns it into like an old fashioned key would be cool.

[Night Train]

The remote has nothing to do with your TPMS system, other than reading from it. The problem you described is almost surely a TPMS issue.
I don't doubt that it is the TPMS. However, I did not have this problem until after I had the 2 way remote installed. So, it would seem that TPMS doesn't like the scan required for the 2 way. I could be totally wrong but it seems too coincidental. If they can't figure it out in short order, I'd rather go back to the old way and not have the annoying dinging and screen activity.
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[WickedMom]

The TPMS goes through the RCDLR. It is possible to have interference... Unlikely though.

[Night Train]

The TPMS goes through the RCDLR. It is possible to have interference... Unlikely though.
Other ideas? This is intermittent problem with a high frequency. I mean it is not constant but happens a lot. The DIC shows that the pressure is normal but still shows a "check pressure" along with the dinging. Then it goes off and everything is cool and then the warnings come on again.
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[WickedMom]

No clue... We have not had many cars with that kit installed.

[Night Train]

No clue... We have not had many cars with that kit installed.


Thanks. I do hope that my dealership can figure it out. :spank:

[rez0nance]

IIRC, there may have been a step in the install instructions where they had to reprogram the TPMS or otherwise touch it. Maybe the tech did something wrong there...

[Mlozano]

Have you tried the re-calibrating the TPMS system, instructions are in the manual.

[bigtreepu]

I have this installed on my car. I would venture to say any GM dealership will have these in stock. They are fairly common on other GM cars. They install a new antenna and range is greatly improved for your keys, and your new two way. Functionality is identical to the remote start that you already have. The difference is you can obviously now see that your car started. This is what it shows
- Car is running or not
- Time left on remote start
- 4 tire pressures
- ODO
- Fuel Level

It does not allow you to change the temperature or anything like that. That is the same as your original remote start. I got this installed w/ 1 remote for $197. From what they told me, it was a fairly complicated install, because I was the first one they had done, and the re-programming took them a fair amt of time (45min - 1hr). Overall the remote was worth it for me. I have had no issues (other than batteries only last about 6-8 months). Got mine done @ Borchering @ the Kings Auto Mall.

~Matt

[Night Train]

Have you tried the re-calibrating the TPMS system, instructions are in the manual.


Thanks for the information. I just read the manual about the process. In reading it, I noticed that one of the things that can cause the TPMS to malfunction is the use of a device that has a similar frequency to the TPMS. This could be the problem.

I am bringing the car back on Monday. I am going to point out the recalibration and frequency possibilities.

[Yuichiro]

Anything new? I am having the same issue as you, Night Train.

[Panzer Leader]

Oh Boy, another gizmo to drive me nuts, where do I buy one. No thanks.

[Panzer Leader]

BTW, why are Penquin and I rated beyond help?

[G8+6=fun]

Just don't know that answer

[SRG963]

BTW, why are Penquin and I rated beyond help?

over 1k posts ;)

[Night Train]

Anything new? I am having the same issue as you, Night Train.

No luck, I will respond to your PM with my experience.

[TA427]

As for the few i installed, The kit comes with a new (RCDLR)=doorlock receiver which is what many late GM vehicles use to read the tire press. sensors, it must be programmed to the YELLOW LABELED MODULE when programming it as it will list several choices.Also after that is programmed FIRST, you must set the threshhold for tire press,which is what the correct press. is,That should be 36psi front and 39psi rears, The tech may have set it to this, which may be higher than most people would put in theirs, but if your pressures are 25% below this,You get the warning, And may be your only problem,If your different tires require less psi the settings can be changed to a different threshhold but is not recommended for us to do at GM.Try those pressures first, Then the tire sensors get learned with the hand held tool,As the module does not care what psi is supposed to be for any given tire only what its target programmed to look for.Also that new antenna looks like a plastic wire, must not have any kinks and routed with easy bends inside the rear shelf.The last one i did required a VCI which is when GM specifically creates a program for your VIN to download into your RCLDR.Good luck.SO EASY IT'S COMPLICATED ! Regards, Michael

[Yuichiro]

Threshold is not the case though. It happens even at 42psi. Tricky thing is it turns on and off. So at the moment, there is nothing happening. Then, a minute later, it starts the warning.

More likely some programming issue. But, how do I address them.

If I say VCI to the dealer, will they know what I am talking about?


Thanks,
Yui


As for the few i installed, The kit comes with a new (RCDLR)=doorlock receiver which is what many late GM vehicles use to read the tire press. sensors, it must be programmed to the YELLOW LABELED MODULE when programming it as it will list several choices.Also after that is programmed FIRST, you must set the threshhold for tire press,which is what the correct press. is,That should be 36psi front and 39psi rears, The tech may have set it to this, which may be higher than most people would put in theirs, but if your pressures are 25% below this,You get the warning, And may be your only problem,If your different tires require less psi the settings can be changed to a different threshhold but is not recommended for us to do at GM.Try those pressures first, Then the tire sensors get learned with the hand held tool,As the module does not care what psi is supposed to be for any given tire only what its target programmed to look for.Also that new antenna looks like a plastic wire, must not have any kinks and routed with easy bends inside the rear shelf.The last one i did required a VCI which is when GM specifically creates a program for your VIN to download into your RCLDR.Good luck.SO EASY IT'S COMPLICATED ! Regards, Michael

[TA427]

First is to check all modules of any codes in relation,There is most definately one or more C codes and address those.Then go back and make sure correct program choice was selected for the new RCDLR.If all good they call TECHLINE and will get walked through more diag.which they have access to more problematic fixes such as programming issues,which then they may set up a special program for your remote module by your VIN,which is known as VCI.Try and be calm as possible when you take it back as your issue is by no means intentional and sometimes more can go wrong than right when integrating many modules that have to communicate together,Keep us posted, Regards, Michael

[GR/G8/GT]

As for the few i installed, The kit comes with a new (RCDLR)=doorlock receiver which is what many late GM vehicles use to read the tire press. sensors, it must be programmed to the YELLOW LABELED MODULE when programming it as it will list several choices.Also after that is programmed FIRST, you must set the threshhold for tire press,which is what the correct press. is,That should be 36psi front and 39psi rears, The tech may have set it to this, which may be higher than most people would put in theirs, but if your pressures are 25% below this,You get the warning, And may be your only problem,If your different tires require less psi the settings can be changed to a different threshhold but is not recommended for us to do at GM.Try those pressures first, Then the tire sensors get learned with the hand held tool,As the module does not care what psi is supposed to be for any given tire only what its target programmed to look for.Also that new antenna looks like a plastic wire, must not have any kinks and routed with easy bends inside the rear shelf.The last one i did required a VCI which is when GM specifically creates a program for your VIN to download into your RCLDR.Good luck.SO EASY IT'S COMPLICATED ! Regards, Michael

Thanks for the info. IOW, the instructions that say the first thing after installation is to program the remote, really won't work. I found that out last week. When I got everything installed per the instructions and went to the RKE procedure, the DIC just said programming failed and threw a TPMS error. Guess I'll have to take it to the dealer this week. I already know they're not familiar with this gizmo, because I asked about it when I took the car in for the recall. Maybe I'll get lucky, but not likely. May end up back with the original unit.

[Yuichiro]

Keep us updated on your case.


Thanks for the info. IOW, the instructions that say the first thing after installation is to program the remote, really won't work. I found that out last week. When I got everything installed per the instructions and went to the RKE procedure, the DIC just said programming failed and threw a TPMS error. Guess I'll have to take it to the dealer this week. I already know they're not familiar with this gizmo, because I asked about it when I took the car in for the recall. Maybe I'll get lucky, but not likely. May end up back with the original unit.

[GR/G8/GT]

Well, took it to the dealer (Bentley) and they were able to 'program' the yellow module, but it would not communicate with the TPMS. The tech spent time on the phone with the regular GM tech and the accessories tech, but he didn't seem to think they were each aware of what the other was doing.

The remote function seems to work fine communicating with the door locks and remote start, but that's all. Tire pressure errors at all corners cause the warning chime every few seconds and the DIC constantly rotates error messages for all four tires. In addition, he was unable to sync the original remotes to the new module. They apologized and didn't charge me for the effort, but since I'm heading out of town for the weekend, I put the old module back in so I can drive without the constant, irritating chime.

I'd still like to get this working. The remote battery is good and the RCDLR antenna receives the signal ok from the remote because the door locks work. It seems likely the problem is in the software. I was hoping some of you may have had similar issues and might be able to provide some info that would be more helpful than what the GM tech was able to provide. If so, I'll go back to the dealer, but I doubt they'll want to waste any more time on it without better information than what they got from GM.

Gary

[TA427]

You are 1/3 done,Now all that is needed is to go into special functions with the tech 2 and set the pressure settings and then learn the sensors to the RCDLR with the hand held tool in that sequence

[GR/G8/GT]

Thanks, yeah, I talked to them about that having read about it here on the forum. The tech said he tried several times to do that with the Tech 2, but that it wouldn't work. It was at that point he contacted GM, but no real help. Of course, without being able to observe the process, I've no idea how much effort he really put into it. He did say he also tried to use the tire pressure learning routine in the owners manual, the same as any owner would do, but that didn't work either. Is there a specific file necessary to be loaded from the Tech 2 into the module, or maybe a routine that would let him know whether the module is even receiving a signal from the TPMS sensors? I don't think this dealership has any experience with this installation at all.

[Night Train]

Well, took it to the dealer (Bentley) and they were able to 'program' the yellow module, but it would not communicate with the TPMS. The tech spent time on the phone with the regular GM tech and the accessories tech, but he didn't seem to think they were each aware of what the other was doing.

The remote function seems to work fine communicating with the door locks and remote start, but that's all. Tire pressure errors at all corners cause the warning chime every few seconds and the DIC constantly rotates error messages for all four tires. In addition, he was unable to sync the original remotes to the new module. They apologized and didn't charge me for the effort, but since I'm heading out of town for the weekend, I put the old module back in so I can drive without the constant, irritating chime.

I'd still like to get this working. The remote battery is good and the RCDLR antenna receives the signal ok from the remote because the door locks work. It seems likely the problem is in the software. I was hoping some of you may have had similar issues and might be able to provide some info that would be more helpful than what the GM tech was able to provide. If so, I'll go back to the dealer, but I doubt they'll want to waste any more time on it without better information than what they got from GM.

Gary

This is the exact problem that I am having. My car sat in the dealer for a total of 10 days with no resolution. They say that they can't figure it out. I am in the process of taking it up with GM.

[Yuichiro]

now three of us are having exact same issue. Now we need to contact GM.
Either hurry them up the fix or demand the refund for non-working accessory!!

:deadhorse::deadhorse:

[bigtreepu]

it works fine on my car. If it helps @ all, have your dealership call Borcherding Pontiac in the Kings Auto-Mall. It took them a long time(it was their first G8 w/ this remote), but all of the functions work, except for the tailgating function(which isn't meant to work in our car anyway...it's not for tailgating).
~Matt

[Night Train]

it works fine on my car. If it helps @ all, have your dealership call Borcherding Pontiac in the Kings Auto-Mall. It took them a long time(it was their first G8 w/ this remote), but all of the functions work, except for the tailgating function(which isn't meant to work in our car anyway...it's not for tailgating).
~Matt

Thank you for the information. I will pass that along.

[bigtreepu]

when I say tailgating, there is a feature that is on like, the Acadia's that you can open the back hatch and control the radio station/CD/volume. My Trunk pops fine, of course! :-D

~Matt

[Yuichiro]

I opened up a support request on Pontiac customer service hot line. They will try to solve my issue. Fix it or refund my money.

[DVDDave]

i want one !!!!

please post results when someone figures out the bugs...

[GR/G8/GT]

I opened up a support request on Pontiac customer service hot line. They will try to solve my issue. Fix it or refund my money.

I'd also appreciate knowing if they come up with anything. I'm keeping my 2-way. Hopefully someone will find the solution eventually if enough of us keep asking about it. if there is a positive side to all this, the old remote seems to work better now than it did before. Seems to work up to maybe a hundred feet away now. Weird, huh?

[bigtreepu]

there's not really any bugs...just need the right dealer to work on your car. Borcherding Pontiac in the Kings Automall installed mine without an issue. I'd recommend seeing if your dealer can call Borcherding for tips/advice. They may be able to help.

~Matt

[Yuichiro]

My dealer is going to replace the remote receiver. They are on order. They said they use parts warranty. We will see how it goes.....

[Yuichiro]

Update:

They replaced the receiver and it still did not fix the issue, so I am going in tomorrow and put it back to original. And will talk to GM and get all my money back.

[gearhead455]

My car already has remote start. meh

[NBM-WU8]

http://paceperformance.com/ProductImages/manufacturer/gmaccessories/images/92213204.gif
Saw this on the website in the G8 section and I'm curious to know more about. Looks pretty sweet.

[Chewy]

Merged!

[NBM-WU8]

Merged!

Sorry. Did a quick browse through and completely missed that:o