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    Default How much work does a 6L80 need to reliably handle 500 Crank HP on a road course?

    I've got a thread going in the engine section, but to make a long story short, I'm doing a hot-cam LS3 crate motor swap in my GT after blowing up the L76. Will probably make around 500 HP at the crank when tuned. The car is primarily a daily driver, but I will be taking it to the occasional track day.

    Unfortunately, the history of the transmission is kinda questionable. When I bought the car, it would want to surge when coming to a stop. When I had the car dyno tuned by Patrick Guerra, he told me this was because the TCM was running a tune for a stall torque converter, but the transmission appeared to have a stock converter. After he reflashed my TCM, that surge behavior went away. One possibility that comes to mind is that the previous owner had a stall converter in there, and the dealership swapped it back out to a stock unit for resale after he traded the car in. It's also possible that the previous owner blew up the transmission doing drag passes and then had a stock transmission swapped in.

    One known problem I had was when the transmission went into safe mode on the way home from work one day. It reset itself after I disconnected the battery, and the problem didn't repeat again. This was about a month before the engine failure. Some forum searching led me to some other people having the same issue every once in a while, and the cause seemed to be a worn out speed sensor of some kind. I will probably have this sensor replaced if I'm getting any other work done to the transmission while the motor is out.

    I noticed the transmission shifted at 7000 RPM shortly before I dropped a valve and chucked a piston onto the front straight at TWS. It was NOT in manual mode at the time. This is higher than the max-throttle shift point of 6500 RPM that Patrick programmed, and which the car had been following all day up to that point. I don't know if this is a sign of the transmission being worn out, or just overheating, or what, but I have to assume it was a contributing factor to the engine failure. I did not have an external trans cooler at the time, which was a mistake. I will definitely be adding one after the motor swap. I've looked around a bit, and I haven't decided yet if I want to go the easy route and order the stock GXP cooler from Greg at Pace or go with something a little larger that will require more installation work. Any suggestions as to how big I should go with the cooler?

    Anyway, I want to know what you folks would recommend I do to the transmission to reasonably ensure it will handle the extra horsepower when being flogged on a road course. I will definitely be adding a trans cooler, but are there any internal upgrades I can't live without? Can I get away with keeping my stock torque converter? Circle D wants $5k for a full race rebuild, which will be way outside my budget after buying the new engine. I get the feeling that level of upgrade is aimed at people putting down more power than I will be, though. If that's necessary for what I'm doing, then I will probably just have to treat the car nice and stay off the racetrack until I can afford it.

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    At 500 I think the trans should be fine as long as it has a good tune and I'm sure Pat has taken care of that. Biggest issue is a cooler for the track. I put mine in engineering mode and keep an eye on trans temps and come off track when it gets around 116 C max. I have a B&M cooler mounted in the lower panel that's about 11x7 inches as I recall with a fan on it. If I didn't have a blower with intercooler in front of the radiator, I'd probably go with something like this for the capacity: http://www.bmracing.com/products/702...&md=&smd=&eng=
    You can get a stand alone cooler and then add the fan to it and save some money if you don't mind doing a little research and extra work too.
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    Thanks for the info, Doug. How long can you usually stay on track before the transmission temps get too high?

    Does anyone with a GXP know what the dimensions of the stock cooler are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaceFrank View Post
    Thanks for the info, Doug. How long can you usually stay on track before the transmission temps get too high?

    Does anyone with a GXP know what the dimensions of the stock cooler are?
    Roughly 20 minutes but keep in mind I'm pushing around 650-700 rwhp (850-900 crank) so you should have a little more margin.
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    500hp @ crank... nothing has to be done at all except make sure you get a really good trans cooler... and you will be fine... I would also make sure you can monitor trans temp also... other than that.. I wouldnt worry about it!!!! go out and have fun!!!
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